Originally posted by Vicky32 By you, this is a good thing? Today's soldiers are baby psychopaths, and that makes you happy?
Wow, talk about hearing what you want to - please show me where or how in my correction to your use of outdated science indicates that I think our
Soldiers are "baby psychopaths” and or that this would be a good thing. I do; however, happen to think that Soldier's overall accuracy during an
engagement is a good thing.
Originally posted by Vicky32 So you happily admit that your profession is about changing someone's moral code and making them able to do
wrong (i.e., killing?)
Again, seeing what you want to; one, I admitted no such thing. I stated that one's sense of right and wrong and morals is formed early and that it
cannot be changed by a short time period such as basic training. I did not state that changing anyone's sense of right and wrong or their moral code
was the goal of basic training or any military training whatsoever - your attempt to twist things is appalling.
Originally posted by Vicky32 Calling it a profession doesn't make it one.
1: the act of taking the vows of a religious community
2: an act of openly declaring or publicly claiming a belief, faith, or opinion
3 : an avowed religious faith
4 a : a calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation
b : a principal calling, vocation, or employment
c : the whole body of persons engaged in a calling
Actually, according to Websters
(4 b) it does...please you are a teacher, crack open
the dictionary before you state your opinions as fact! What do you teach home-economics?
Originally posted by Vicky32 A profession is a job that requires university education. A job that requires mind-blowing, brain-washing
and indoctrination is not a profession.
Sure, if you are twisting the "specialized knowledge" and "long academic preparation" into a university degree to make it fit your world view I guess
you can be correct. Some professions do require a degree; however, not all professions - try telling a Sam Walton’s stock holders he was not a
professional businessman or any other self made person. Perhaps the professional farmers, mechanic who services your vehicle, the professional
salesman or even the housewife would have something to say about your assertion. Then again perhaps you are using some cultural norm from where you
live; regardless it is not the standard here.
Just to educate you there is an academic subject taught at most major universities and in some High Schools referred to as
1. the study of the causative factors and tactical principles of warfare.
2. an academic course dealing with these factors and principles.
In military history, military science had been used during the period after the Industrial Revolution as a general term to refer to all matters of
military theory and technology application as a single academic discipline
, including that of the deployment and employment of troops in
peacetime or in battle.
Military Officers who practice the profession of arms using the art of war and the principles of military science all have university degrees in
something. A good portion of that, about 4 hours a week plus sometimes 10+ hours of lab work along with a 6-8 week immersion course in the Summer is
in Military Science for at least two but usually four years of their university studies. It's not even part of the arts it's a hard Science and can be
used as electives in social science at most universities.
In military education, military science is often the name of the department in the education institution that administers officer candidate education.
However, this education usually focuses on the officer leadership training and basic information about employment of military theories, concepts,
methods and systems, and graduates are not military scientists on completion of studies, but rather junior military officers. Before we go into the
tangent of Military Science being an easy course or worthless study at small or fringe colleges I suggest you do some research and you will find that
ROTC (for one of the services) is offered at many of not all of the Nation's top colleges.
Here America's Best Colleges - Forbes
you can see
that the actual service academies for as you contend the non-professional indoctrination of Soldiers are rated number four (United States Military
and eleven (United States Air Force Academy)
respectively. USMA is rated over MIT...yet you contend that the profession of arms
doesn't exist...what exactly do you think they teach at the academies? Here is a link to the rest of the article about the ranking of colleges
In conjunction with Dr. Richard Vedder, an economist at Ohio University, and the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, Forbes.com
inaugurates its first ranking of America's Best Colleges, an annual list. In this report, the CCAP ranks 569 undergraduate institutions based on the
quality of the education they provide, and how much their students achieve.
Interesting that all the service acadamies are on this list of the best schools - the sole purpose of each is to produce professional military
officers...for a profession you contend doesn't exist.
It is important to remember that if a school appears on this list at all, that indicates it meets a certain level of quality. In other words, the
Milwaukee School of Engineering (569th) is by no means the worst school in the nation. According to the U.S. Department of Education, there are more
than 4,000 college campuses in the U.S. The CCAP ranks only the top 15% or so of all undergraduate institutions.
Then moving on to the enlisted Soldier in case you go with the, "Well the officers might be professionals but the Soldiers are surely not angle." if
you look at the acceptance of military education at the college level for transfer credit almost all training is counted toward something even basic
training is worth some college level credits. Is that because it's worthless indoctrination and training? I doubt it...it's because the instruction
is professional and thorough and the skills learned are desirable by colleges and future employers alike.
A successful term of service in the US, be it at the officer or enlisted level, is seen as a good thing to most employers who can be rest assured in
the professionalism and drive of the potential employee.
I am clearly not going to change your opinion as you are set in your belief that there is no such thing as a profession of arms so I'm not going to
waste more time with you.
Beliefs and opinions are one thing but you are stating them as if they are fact, which I find unconscionable.
I don't believe that everyone should be a citizen with voting rights just because of birth; citizenship should be earned through military service;
however, my belief does not make it so.
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