Originally posted by Vicky32Neutral? I don't think it's possible to be neutral on these subjects... Tell me, what other motivation
could a military man have but to kill? but to kill? That's all they are there to do. If you say 'build schools and hospitals and help
people' I will say that aid workers already do that, and much more effectively.
I have read plenty of your anti- military nonsense in the past. I can only speak for myself and my motivations for choosing the military as a career.
Your own minority opinion aside, the profession of arms is a respected one especially here in the United States.
Every year there is a poll conducted that asks about the most ethical and trusted professions. Usually military service in general is up towards the
top and military officers – you know the ones who lead the troops has been in the top 10 most respected professions for as long as I can remember.
Here is the latest one. Gallup Poll
Military Officers are number two, right behind nurses as ethical and trustworthy in the eyes of the American public. Unfortunately they failed to
conduct a poll of the people of New Zealand as frankly their opinions mean very little - when was the last time someone said "Hey, let's discuss New
Zealand foreign policy?"
Why? Because it's irrelevant to the world at large.
Anyway, the American people trust the military officers to do the right thing because of their professionalism and ethics. We hold ourselves to a
much higher standard of ethics than the population at large, things civilians wouldn't bat an eye at will cost you your commission in the military.
Originally posted by Vicky32I pity soldiers such as my late father, who joined the British army in 1938, at the age of 19, because the
alternative was unemployment. He knew what was coming, too, but at 19 years old, you think you're bullet proof, literally, and he wasn't -
literally. (Although to you Americans, WW2 began in 1942, it really started in 1939.)
Wow, I served 24 years and wouldn't trade my experiences for anything. I enlisted in 1985 as a Private; made Sergeant First Class and eventually
retired as a Major - completed Ranger School and the Q course not once but twice... I don't think there is any other career I ever wanted.
I could have done almost anything in life I wanted to do; I had decent grades in school high SAT scores, played several sports etc. The military is
hardly a dead end for those who can do nothing else. Actually those people who feel they have no other recourse than military service are likely
unqualified and probably discouraged as they will in the end be a drain on the military resources just like they will to society at large.
In fact , only 3 of 10 people aged 18-21 in the United States qualify for military service most are either disqualified mentally (meaning test scores
or education), morally (meaning being drug user or having past non-waiverable criminal behavior) or physically (usually too fat).
That said military service is hardly a dead end; in fact, for many it is the beginning of a life changing experience and the key to a better and more
prosperous future for them and their families.
Most companies want to hire and actively seek retired or ex -military officers for their leadership programs and management teams; why - because
it’s a dead end?
No because they already have demonstrated they can be successful at something very challenging under duress and with tight resources. They are problem
solvers and money makers not slackers and nere do wells.
Originally posted by Vicky32No soldier since 1980, in any western country, has had my father's excuse. Military men are killers.
That makes them evil, by me.
I have killed a man and while I don’t regret it I still feel the weight of its gravity. No Soldier relishes killing – it is always, always
something you will remember and live with. It is no trivial thing nor for the faint of heart or weak of will.
I have been places and seen things you wouldn't believe. I've jumped from an airplane at 20k feet and rode a horse through the mountains and desert
I have been both been bored to tears and stricken with fear on the same day; held a dear friend as he died in my arms, seen heroes and villains in
action - cried with widows and presented a flag to an 8 year old orphan at a funeral. Best part is I would do it all over again today given the
There isn't a mission I participated in that wasn't just and made the world a better place to be.
Originally posted by Vicky32Doctors are arrogant berks, but here in NZ, not money grubbing, and teachers are not paedophiles (I am a
There are many examples of Teachers who are indeed pedophiles too many to enumerate here; however, that does not mean they all are. They represent
much like the military a cross section of the society from which they are drawn and indeed there are some people happen to be in the military who
commit horrible acts of cruelty and indiscriminate killing – the video in question on this thread is not one of those examples.
Those who serve in the American military that are discovered to be of this immoral bent are swiftly and effectively dealt with much like anyone in
your chosen profession would be for his/her actions.
I would contend that they are often dealt with more harshly and swiftly than with civil justice as the UCMJ allows for more liberal rules of evidence
and the threshold for burden of proof is often only a preponderance of evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt like civilian law.