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reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:12 PM by Jakes51

I kind of figured that with time some news service was going to post those photos. The only question is why? We where aware of these monsters and their atrocities months ago when information about their heinous acts went public. Moreover, there was graphic descriptions of their crimes as well. This is just some "shock and awe," journalism. Anything is fair game for an increase in ratings, readership, a Pulitzer, or any self-gratifying reward journalists tend to give each other from time to time.

The release of these photos are not without consequence either. Afghans will make every effort to pay it forward, and this will be another immeasurable recruitment tool by the Taliban and other extremist organizations. It has happened before, and not a very long time ago either. Some may remember soldier, Stephen Green, and his squad of rapists and murderers. In 2006, they entered the Iraqi village of Mahmudiyah and committed unspeakable atrocities to some of the local population. This act did not go on without a heavy price. Apparently, there may have been a grizzly retaliation associated with this incident?

From Baghdad Mosque, a Call to Arms

The hand-held video shows two bodies -- one decapitated, the other face down on the ground as someone steps on his head. The video was posted on an insurgent Web site, accompanied by a statement from the Mujaheddin al-Shura Council, a collection of several insurgent groups including al-Qaeda in Iraq, asserting that the soldiers were killed in retaliation for the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl and the killings of three members of her family, allegedly by U.S. soldiers from the same unit in the nearby town of Mahmudiyah.

The statement said the soldiers were killed as revenge. But the mayor of Mahmudiyah has said he doubts the killing of the two soldiers was retribution, because the rape and killings of the Iraqis were initially reported as an insurgent attack and the possible involvement of U.S. troops did not emerge until after the two Americans had been kidnapped and slain.

U.S. military officials in Baghdad say they have found no connection between the two incidents . . .

Both the Iraqi and US military have denied that the barbaric incident above had any connection to the Mahmudiyah atrocity. This release of the photos could make an already serious situation worse for US troops operating in Afghanistan. Did the brilliant editors at Rolling Stone forget that a US soldier remains in Taliban captivity as well? This latest photo dump could put Bowe Berghdahl at serious risk when tempers flare at the sight of these photos.

I just don't see the logic in releasing these photos, considering the description given prior, and the information being released at trial. Moreover, the soldiers are being judged for their crimes with some having already received heavy prison sentences. Do people really have to see grizzly murders in the flesh? What, do we not have imaginations anymore? This is just plain reckless and irresponsible!

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reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:16 PM by adifferentbreed

Rolling Stone cares not for anything nor anyone other than leftists and their agenda.......no matter who gets hurt or what lies they tell, it's typical liberl swill and makes Fox look almost dare I say honest.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:17 PM by OptimisticPessimist

reply to post by Maxmars

Whilst I most certainly agree with your sentiment, I will forever allow myslef to be shocked by the brutality evoked in the average human being via the act of warfare.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:21 PM by Skippy1138

post by v1rtu0s0[/url]

Ugh...but depressingly, nothing that my UK brother-in-law hasn't already told me they do too.

But amazingly, you won't see 17 different threads on here screaming about how vile and evil UK troops are will you? Nope.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:23 PM by James1982

Is nobody actually reading the story?!?!

The whole "this is war" argument doesn't hold any water, in this case

The argument of "they are the enemy, this is OK" does not hold any water either.

The soldiers THEMSELVES said that these people were innocent. Yet to framed them to be insurgents, and then murdered them. That is not war, that is terroristic activity and flat out murder.

War is killing the enemy. War is accidentally killing civilians. I totally accept that. But that's not what's going on here. What's going on here, is soldiers knowing someone is innocent, planting a gun on them so that they can MURDER them. That is a completely different ballpark. That is sadistic.

So yes, when there is an ACCIDENTAL civilian death, or insurgents being killed, I will not complain. Heck even the actual enemy being tortured I could accept more than this, because at least they are actually the enemy. These people are not. They are farmers. They are 15 year old boys. It's flat out wrong and it needs to stop.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:24 PM by wingsfan

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Rolling Stone cares not for anything nor anyone other than leftists and their agenda.......no matter who gets hurt or what lies they tell, it's typical liberl swill and makes Fox look almost dare I say honest.

thats all true, but the pictures are what they are. these wars are a big joke, and not in one slight bit beneficial to anyone cept the contractors.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:25 PM by James1982

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Rolling Stone cares not for anything nor anyone other than leftists and their agenda.......no matter who gets hurt or what lies they tell, it's typical liberl swill and makes Fox look almost dare I say honest.

It seems you do not care for anything nor anyone either.

It does not matter WHO released the pictures. It does not matter WHY they released the pictures. What matters is that they exist, and this happened. If you are too scared to comment on what actually happened, or too morally bankrupt to care, then fine. But don't just sweep this under the rug as "oh yeah propaganda derp derp"

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:27 PM by wingsfan

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
I seem to remember a bunch of wailing and gnashing of teeth with the calls for retribution, penalties etc, for the "attrocities" at Ahbu Graib..........seems things got worse under Obama. Where are the same whining, pansy leftists extremeists on this? Why isnt this front page everywhere like it was? Speaks volumes.......of course Rolling Stone jumped on it too, but I don't see the same vitrole this time. Had to have beed hard for them to publish anyway as they are kissing Obamas ass monthly in their rag now.

believe me, the far-left, which at one time I included myself with, are not supporting obama in any way regarding the ME. infact he may well actually be worse then bush admin and in half the time to. bush got us in two rediculous wars, obama upped it to three now, and somehow the #ucker even managed to get a peace prize.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:50 PM by OptimisticPessimist

Originally posted by Skippy1138

post by v1rtu0s0[/url]

Ugh...but depressingly, nothing that my UK brother-in-law hasn't already told me they do too.

But amazingly, you won't see 17 different threads on here screaming about how vile and evil UK troops are will you? Nope.

True.

Although we (the UK) also have commited atrocities (and will continue to do so "for good" I'm sure), we seem to be less inclined to persue that specific avenue of warfare then our brother across the pond seem to be.
"Flat caps" instead of "flack jackets" springs to mind.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 06:54 PM by Iwinder

I won't judge the soldiers involved but I will judge the government, Canada refused to go to Iraq but did indeed go to Afghanistan when we should not even be there.
As I type this the Canadian Government is going to election mode and Mr Harper and company look like they are dead ducks in the water.
He was really tight with the Bush Company and he really thinks we need war too.
Elections this spring (May) I can't wait because our stupid war loving Government is toast.!
I know this is no excuse but these guy's were ordered there and we all know it is a # house.
Posing with dead people yeah thats over the top for sure but what is their mental situation.
Stress can be a very powerful thing, from what I have read there is no support from the US Armed forces for stress relief.
I read its get those guy's back in the field ASAP!
Just my musings on the whole mess.....
Regards, Iwinder

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:05 PM by StealthyKat

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I agree with what you said....but when I wrote in my post "this is war", I was trying to make the point that these types of behavior can be the result of someone who was a little "off" to begin with....mix that with the war mentality they are taught....the add the fact that they are seeing unbelievable carnage to the point that they are totally desensitized....add drugs and group mentality....and there you have it. What they did makes me sick and I am in no way making excuses for them....they should be punished to the fullest. This type of thing happens on both sides. We see the little news clips the media sees fit to show us, but the media does not show this type of thing unless they need a little sensationalism, and I suspect happens a lot more than we would like to think. It sickens me that humans can be so cruel. But it is not just ONE country's soldiers doing things such as this. War is all about brutality....and for some, it brings out the darkest of the dark. I can't understand how someone could "enjoy" hurting others and especially innocents. I think this is why there are so many suicides in veterans. Some cannot live with what they have seen....and some do things they never thought they were capable of.....and cannot live with what they have done.... There is supposed to be a "code of conduct" in war....that even captured enemies who have terrible things are not supposed to be abused once captured. But that is not the reality I'm sorry to say. I just hate it all.....and I am appalled at the cruelty humans inflict upon each other.

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reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:09 PM by mplsbookworm

I am in shock and awe with the replies I am reading in regards to this thread. In the midst of all this s*** going on there are still idiots who entertain these sick ideas. Bottom line, if you think at ANY time that this type of thing is okay to either do or be involved with, you are the enemy. You are who we are fighting to expose and do away with. You can type as many words as you please but many of you hide behind a computer moniter typing words with more might than you can physically put forth. Sick f****!

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:13 PM by adifferentbreed

reply to post by James1982

Umm, o.k. The pics exist because some people lost their damn minds and did this. What benefit is there to this piece of crap magazine to publish them? What was their purpose? Does it prevent it from happening again? NO. It is only their way of slamming America yet again, and if you thing using these people's deaths to glorify some dope smoking pos liberal editor, as well as providing him a pay check is o.k., then I'd wonder about you questioning me.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:16 PM by Illusionsaregrander

reply to post by StealthyKat

Most people who join the military are not sick. Often they are just poor, and cant afford college, and they see the military as a chance to better themselves, and move up a little in life, into the middle class. (It doesnt always work, but often thats the idea)

But some people who join, especially when there is active warfare, join because they are sick individuals who want to kill people and get away with it. Hell, even get paid for it, and praised for it.

Just like sick people gravitate towards other jobs where they can abuse their position, like pedophiles, animal abusers, angel of mercy serial killers, etc.

War did not make these guys this way. I have worked with a lot of people who have seen combat, and none of them would have done this. A couple of them were still wrecked decades after the fact. Not everyone poses with a human being as if they were a deer. The people who did this, (but probably not everyone there, some were probably bullied into silence) are sociopaths. They are killing because that is what they WANT to do. Its why they joined. Its why on a slow day they kill innocent people.

War IS hell, but this case is not really about war, its about sociopaths who should be eliminated from society. There should be some way to screen them out before they get in, but I have a feeling they are letting in people they know or suspect might be sick because they need more bodies.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:44 PM by StealthyKat

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

Yes....that is what I was trying to say....that is what I think is the case here. Some do it because they are sick/evil people...but I think some come in ok, then become that way. For some reason I am having trouble finding the words (which is not normally the case

) Bottom line is....this is sick and senseless....and I guess I am trying to make sense of the senseless. There is true evil in the world.....and many reasons why people do evil things. I just hate it all.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 07:50 PM by James1982

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by James1982

Umm, o.k. The pics exist because some people lost their damn minds and did this. What benefit is there to this piece of crap magazine to publish them? What was their purpose? Does it prevent it from happening again? NO. It is only their way of slamming America yet again, and if you thing using these people's deaths to glorify some dope smoking pos liberal editor, as well as providing him a pay check is o.k., then I'd wonder about you questioning me.

Wonder all you want, it means nothing to me.

The fact that your attention and energy goes into bashing Rolling Stone, instead of going towards sympathy for the innocents murdered, or anger towards those responsible speaks volumes. So I don't even have to wonder about you, it's pretty obvious.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 10:03 PM by MonkeyWrench30

This is an absolute smack in the face to the USA and its Military....im disgusted to be an American tonight.

reply posted on 28-3-2011 @ 10:03 PM by santjime

reply to post by Analyze76

Please dont blaim the soldiers, blaim the men in suits, the soldiers are brainwashed and train to think that is good. Think about it, there life is constatly on the line its either the soldiers life or the enemies, if you were in there shoes and you saw you killed them, you would be proud too. Yes its very f'd up. . . soo messed up, war sucks. But dont blaim the soldiers, and for the men in suits to push the blaim to someone else and sentence him 25 years. . . . .makes no sense, he was doing what he was trained he didnt sit there and torture the man, the manwas dead. he was doing what hhe had to do to get through the day ))):