Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by H1ght3chHippie
Just let's tie the biggest ISP's in here for a brief second, let's asume most major networks might serve a second purpose, beyond what you use
them for, and let's assume there are algorithms and mechanisms in place...
They've been doing that 20 years ago already, you are aware of that I assume ?
Now, that's something very, very different than concerns over what nefariousness might be possible via cookie abuse -- you're referencing "deep
packet inspection," and is a very different animal.
So after monitoring your online behaviour for a couple years, they have the perfect profile about you...
Okay, there's a couple issues here, many are related to misconceptions, but there are concerns.
The most important thing is to visualize the quantity of data, and project forward to the plausibility of such a thing. Imagine a system that would be
able to track and quantify all the various IP address you use, in real-time. Not necessarily impossible, but would require highly-sophisticated
deep-packet inspect by every network you use, engaged in real-time reconciliation and communication back to some central source. Then, consider how
such a system would engage in such real-time reconciliation for every HTTP packet you receive -- just the ATS home page would require more than 100
such packets, many pages use much more. Then imagine the scale of such a thing as it attempts to recognize, reconcile, track, and record every packet
received by every person using the web in the United States for just one day. We're talking about dozens of petabytes of data being categorized and
exchanged in just one day.
And if you want to scale that even further, consider the amount of data resulting from a month, a year, or several years.
And then, imagine how an inept "government" who is unable to keep an Army Private from stealing secure government communications could create and
manage such an unimaginably massive and sophisticate system. Such a system would require massive bandwidth and more than 50 billion terabytes of
data storage for 10 years worth of information. Why... the hard drive maintenance alone would keep an army of IT geeks running in circles.
That level of intelligence as a result of wide-spread deep-packet inspection has received a lot of speculation, but it's not plausible to believe an
inept government who can't keep their law enforcement agencies up to speed with computer technology that is less than five years old can pull it
However, that's not to say that some level of data reconciliation and inspection isn't going on... we know it is, but just not on the grand scale
that would be required above.
Based on the tidbits we know, there are three strategies being used:
(1) Deep packet inspection of certain protocols (such as HTTP post and SMTP) for important keywords, phrases, or destinations.
(2) Monitoring of interconnected communications (using #1 at times) on certain subjects, some of which may be "seeded" by provocateurs or purposeful
release of low-level semi-classified information.
(3) Deep packet inspection and monitoring of specific computers that have been identified as a result of #1 and #2.
This is not only much more plausible, but also much more likely to result in a manageable amount of data on which law-enforcement action can be taken.
And on a side note, there's not really a difference between a single webserver and a server farm in terms of transfering data through whatever
backbone or WAN link to other domains
Except when you start considering the massive scale of the amount of data you originally proposed. Even in our little cluster for ATS, we often flirt
with the upper limits of a 10GB network connection between our database server and web server during spikes of high traffic, and that's just for the
posts and threads on ATS.
But all this is not impossible.
Altough I do not know all that much about computers, I think that we (all the others around the world) serve as server farms and maybe without even
knowing it. For example take torrent sites which use all the computers that have downloaded something. They are automatically placed in some kind of
cloud or cluster, from which when somebody else wants to download something, ( that you also have) the site server automatically puts you into the
system to share it.
I also read an article on yahoo quite a long time ago about someone that was caught for pedofilism because some pedofile somehow got into his hard
disk and stored it there. The person who was "framed" didnt know a thing about it, and I think, if I can remember correctly, they eventually found
So knowing this, I don't see how it would need so many people for maintainance. We are all our own maintainace people for our own computers, plus we
provide all the hard disk space for them.
Maybe I'm wrong somewhere or everywhere here, but it's just an assumption.
Personally I dont care that much if cookies are stored in my computer or not, just as long as they dont slow me down or crowd my system.
I would like to say that you have a nice site here, and I stayed because so far I have not seen any discrimination to what is written here. I dont
like chounta characteristics in anything (even cookies). I also find it invasive.
As I read earlier in the thread, this topic was moved to the hoax topics which I find a little annoying, because it shows fear of something, or hiding
something, apart of the fact that you may be hurting someone else of his credability. So in my opinion, you as the owner should have written and
through your statements disproved what was written in this thread, just like any other topic in here. Its the only free speach thng to do.
Sorrry if I sounded kind of harsh in any way, and I did not write this to offend anyone.