prostitution should be legalized

reply to post by Stormdancer777


When prostitution is illegal, there are no incentives to treat the prostitutes well, no regulations, licences, unions or legal protection from the state. Also, when it is illegal, what kind of people are going to practice such business? Mostly criminals, or at least people with no respect of law.

Legalising prostitution would help to solve many of these problems. Even customers would rather go to a licenced, healthy and legal prostitute than to some criminal pimp.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


I dont agree with your opinion and you dont agree with mine. Lets just leave it at that.

You can justify all you want to prove your point and thats fine.

Its sad if you consider my comments as insults.

I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion. Im asking you to speak on the facts, which you still havent. Every single time you are presented with a fact you turn to personal attacks or deflections.

As for being sad, well, the mod sure didnt think your comments were appropriate either....whats sad is being so brainwashed that you cant follow a logical path of thinking and have to resort to strawmen, namecalling and backhanded insults.

What makes you think I'm the one who is brainwashed ?

2nd line.

Your posts. Duh.

2nd line.

I guess you didnt get my point of counter question. That explains the institutionalized response.

You still havn't answered my questions. Would you let your adult children be prostitutes ? or your spouse? I'm not sure if you're married or have kids or any of that.

I'm sorry, when those questions come as a rebuttal to the questions I asked, without any form of actual conversation involved, it becomes clear you are simply deflecting.

And actually I did answer, but since you seem to have issues with comprehension, Ill say it again.

I have no right to 'let' or 'not let' another adult do what they choose to do with their body. To think anyone has the right to do so is a VERY sad statement on what you think marriage and relationships mean.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


Is that too bad to ask or strive for in a society ?

What is wrong with monogomy ?

or Marriage ?

edit on 28-3-2011 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

There you go again pushing your beliefs as though they should be the way for everyone.

marriage is a religious institute.

Some people believe in polygamy.

You go ahead and do those things. Please tell me why you feel everyone else should have to.

I am not pushing anything. I am simply asking counter questions.

I did not type 'You should practice monogomy" to indicate that I am imposing my values onto others

You are offering monogamy as a reason prostitution should not be legal. Or trying, at least. After you have offered morals, economy, and cultural reason, all of which have been shot down.

edit on 28-3-2011 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)

It is not your fault. It is the culture that you have been brought up with.

Monogamy is not a reason but a cure for seeking external pleasure with unknown individual for sexual pleasure. To me sex is not merely a urge or need but also respect.

Just by typing few responses and feeling better indicating that all I have offered was shot down on ATS doesnt hide the truth from the self conscious

reply to post by Stormdancer777

It is very sad, and let's not forget that many of these young men and women do it to support their drug habits.

Then the root problem are addictive synthetic drugs, not prostitution. And you wont fix the root problem by banning prostitution.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


I dont agree with your opinion and you dont agree with mine. Lets just leave it at that.

You can justify all you want to prove your point and thats fine.

Its sad if you consider my comments as insults.

I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion. Im asking you to speak on the facts, which you still havent. Every single time you are presented with a fact you turn to personal attacks or deflections.

As for being sad, well, the mod sure didnt think your comments were appropriate either....whats sad is being so brainwashed that you cant follow a logical path of thinking and have to resort to strawmen, namecalling and backhanded insults.

What makes you think I'm the one who is brainwashed ?

2nd line.

Your posts. Duh.

2nd line.

I guess you didnt get my point of counter question. That explains the institutionalized response.

You still havn't answered my questions. Would you let your adult children be prostitutes ? or your spouse? I'm not sure if you're married or have kids or any of that.

I'm sorry, when those questions come as a rebuttal to the questions I asked, without any form of actual conversation involved, it becomes clear you are simply deflecting.

And actually I did answer, but since you seem to have issues with comprehension, Ill say it again.

I have no right to 'let' or 'not let' another adult do what they choose to do with their body. To think anyone has the right to do so is a VERY sad statement on what you think marriage and relationships mean.

That answers my questions.

Wow. What a world we're living in where a parent/husband doesnt mind if the children and spouse take up the profession of prostitution. Whatever happened to owning upto social and family responsibility.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

If prostitution were legal, then it would be safer for the girls and the johns. When prostitution is illegal, it greatly inhibits calling law enforcement, so pimps become necessary, and the workers are far more vulnerable to abuse. Also, when it is illegal, it is more likely to see children in the trade.

Legalizing prostitution would be a far better situation for those working the trade, and their customers.

Keeping prostitution illegal only serves the purposes of the criminal elements, and justifies jobs for police, judges, ect..

If you are honestly concerned about safety, then you should support legalization.

So you trust government regulations?
ha

I hear that argument a lot, I highly doubt it would change much,

So no one posting is a prostitute or seeks out prostitutes?

Still waiting for your answer....we have all obliged you, why do you continue to ignore?

what answer is that?

For the third time:

I agree that there are abuses in the sex industry. Do you agree that many of these abuses happen do to lack of regulation and safe environments?

It seems to me we live in a very twisted society, and a very one sided society.

Firstly both men and women become prostitutes, the majority may be women, but both sexes do it. The argument about the moral values is dysfunctional and one sided, this not an argument about moral values, whether you or your family should become prostitutes it is about those that do the work, should they be criminalized for it?

Why should someone be deemed a criminal for prostitution? It is their choice, it harms no one else (and no I am not condoning abuse or child prostitution both of which need to be criminal) People have a right to do with their own bodies as they wish to tell them otherwise is a form of slavery. If someone wishes to have sex for money, smoke a joint or tattoo themselves all over it is THEIR choice to make.

Morals are enforced by religion, priests telling us sex is a sin then running off and systematically abusing little boys and girls. It is the repression of our NATURAL urges, sex becomes twisted when it festers in the back of the mind. I have never used a prostitute, never had the inclination, I prefer an emotional connection but that does not give me the right or you the right to condone that do, nor do we have the right to push our own morals on others.

You may feel it is a sin, morally objectionable so stay away from prostitution, but don't try to enforce your lifestyle on others. And don't you think it is strange that we don't have moral objections to our kids putting on a uniform and selling their bodies as weapons, that go and wound, main and murder others, how is that not morally objectionable?

reply to post by TheAmused


Well, I dont know were u from but at least in Europe, prostitution is legal.. Well, at least in Holland, France,Germany,Belgium and Switzerland

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

If prostitution were legal, then it would be safer for the girls and the johns. When prostitution is illegal, it greatly inhibits calling law enforcement, so pimps become necessary, and the workers are far more vulnerable to abuse. Also, when it is illegal, it is more likely to see children in the trade.

Legalizing prostitution would be a far better situation for those working the trade, and their customers.

Keeping prostitution illegal only serves the purposes of the criminal elements, and justifies jobs for police, judges, ect..

If you are honestly concerned about safety, then you should support legalization.

So you trust government regulations?
ha

I hear that argument a lot, I highly doubt it would change much,

So no one posting is a prostitute or seeks out prostitutes?

Still waiting for your answer....we have all obliged you, why do you continue to ignore?

what answer is that?

For the third time:

I agree that there are abuses in the sex industry. Do you agree that many of these abuses happen do to lack of regulation and safe environments?

I heard that cows are aturally not able to walk down stairs.
It seems like you're trying to get one to do so.

Also, i gotta go.

cheers guys. it was fun.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


I dont agree with your opinion and you dont agree with mine. Lets just leave it at that.

You can justify all you want to prove your point and thats fine.

Its sad if you consider my comments as insults.

I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion. Im asking you to speak on the facts, which you still havent. Every single time you are presented with a fact you turn to personal attacks or deflections.

As for being sad, well, the mod sure didnt think your comments were appropriate either....whats sad is being so brainwashed that you cant follow a logical path of thinking and have to resort to strawmen, namecalling and backhanded insults.

What makes you think I'm the one who is brainwashed ?

2nd line.

Your posts. Duh.

2nd line.

I guess you didnt get my point of counter question. That explains the institutionalized response.

You still havn't answered my questions. Would you let your adult children be prostitutes ? or your spouse? I'm not sure if you're married or have kids or any of that.

I would hope I know the person I'm going to be dating or marrying enough to know if prostitution was an option for them if I was opposed to it. Do you feel that because a girl becomes a stripper in a strip club, that she instantly has degraded morals and a standard of living?

Do you think think if a woman came from an abused background and could find a legitimate way to earn enough money to raise, say, a kid she had from a troubled past on good terms with their own morals and plenty of resources she is now a degraded human being? If someone will pay for it, and can do it safely to bring a sense of joy to someone who has fallen on rough times, why stop them?

An upset husband can go down to a bar, take off his ring, get tanked and find a trashed girl to abuse. So we should do a check on people going into bars to make sure their morals are up to par with the activity they are seeking?

The reason there's underage prostitution, and abused women in the field is because there is no regulation. I happen to believe that a grown man with responsibilities in life would much rather pursue a legal path to safely providing sexual satisfaction with no binds, than cruising down Main street looking for a dirty tramp. I'd like to see a person seeking prostitution in a legalized way get away with abusing the girl without severe repercussions.

Escorts, strippers, and porn stars aren't instantly degraded, terrible human beings are they? They are in a profession, with regulations, protections, regular health checks and are held to a standard of an establishment compared to some pimp who will prey on the weak and underage girls looking for a quick buck rather than an actual profession.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


I dont agree with your opinion and you dont agree with mine. Lets just leave it at that.

You can justify all you want to prove your point and thats fine.

Its sad if you consider my comments as insults.

I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion. Im asking you to speak on the facts, which you still havent. Every single time you are presented with a fact you turn to personal attacks or deflections.

As for being sad, well, the mod sure didnt think your comments were appropriate either....whats sad is being so brainwashed that you cant follow a logical path of thinking and have to resort to strawmen, namecalling and backhanded insults.

What makes you think I'm the one who is brainwashed ?

2nd line.

Your posts. Duh.

2nd line.

I guess you didnt get my point of counter question. That explains the institutionalized response.

You still havn't answered my questions. Would you let your adult children be prostitutes ? or your spouse? I'm not sure if you're married or have kids or any of that.

I'm sorry, when those questions come as a rebuttal to the questions I asked, without any form of actual conversation involved, it becomes clear you are simply deflecting.

And actually I did answer, but since you seem to have issues with comprehension, Ill say it again.

I have no right to 'let' or 'not let' another adult do what they choose to do with their body. To think anyone has the right to do so is a VERY sad statement on what you think marriage and relationships mean.

That answers my questions.

Wow. What a world we're living in where a parent/husband doesnt mind if the children and spouse take up the profession of prostitution.

Whatever happened to owning upto social and family responsibility.

edit on 28-3-2011 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

Care to quote where I said I wouldnt mind? Actually I have said the opposite. For the third time, what I said was:

I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO 'LET' OR 'NOT LET' ANY CONSENTING ADULT DO ANYTHING WITH THEIR BODY.

As i said, I would surely try and steer them away, and I personally wouldnt stay married to a prostitute. Doesnt mean I have the right to 'not let' them do it.

Human trafficking and sexual slavery
Main articles: Human trafficking and Sexual slavery

Today, human trafficking is primarily for prostituting women and children.[35] It is described as "the largest slave trade in history"[36] and is the fastest growing form of contemporary slavery.[37] It is also the fastest growing criminal industry, set to outgrow drug trafficking.[35][38][clarification needed] While there are more slaves today than at any time in history, global population is also much larger. As a proportion of population the number is most likely the smallest in history.[39]

“Annually, according to U.S. Government-sponsored research completed in 2006, approximately 800,000 people are trafficked across national borders, which does not include millions trafficked within their own countries. Approximately 80 percent of transnational victims are women and girls and up to 50 percent are minors,” reports the US Department of State in a 2008 study.[40] Due to the illegal and underground nature of sex trafficking, the exact extent of women and children forced into prostitution is unknown.
The White Slave by Abastenia St. Leger Eberle

Children are sold into the global sex trade every year. Often they are kidnapped or orphaned, and sometimes they are sold by their own families. According to the International Labour Organization, the problem is especially alarming in Thailand, the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Cambodia, Nepal and India.[41]

Poverty, social exclusion and war are at the heart of human trafficking. Some women[who?] are hoodwinked into believing promises of a better life, sometimes by people who are known and trusted to them. Traffickers may own legitimate travel agencies, modeling agencies and employment offices in order to gain women's trust. Others are simply kidnapped. Once overseas it is common for their passport to be confiscated by the trafficker and to be warned of the consequences should they attempt to escape, including beatings, rape, threats of violence against their family and death threats. It is common, particularly in Eastern Europe, that should they manage to return to their families they will only be trafficked once again.[citation needed]

Globally, forced labour generates $31bn, half of it in the industrialised world, a tenth in transition countries, the International Labour Organization says in a report on forced labour ("A global alliance against forced labour", ILO, 11 May 2005).[42] Trafficking in people has been facilitated by porous borders and advanced communication technologies, it has become increasingly transnational in scope and highly lucrative within its barbarity.

In some countries[which?] counseling, accommodation, specialist care exists for trafficked people to help them escape, whilst in other countries[which?], this support is lacking and individuals are often treated as illegal immigrants and deported.

The most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the US, according to a report by the UNODC (UN Office on Drugs and Crime).[43]
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The major sources of trafficked persons include Thailand, China, Nigeria, Albania, Bulgaria, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.[43]

Today, human trafficking is primarily for prostituting women and children

Where the sex trade is legal, it isn't any different the abuse still occur.

You should be ashamed.

Here is a map of prostitution legality status in the world:

en.wikipedia.org...

Note that prostitution is illegal in Thailand..

reply to post by TheAmused

Well, I dont know were u from but as far im concern. prostitution is legal in most countries.. Well, at least in Europe.. Belgium,Holland,France,Germany,Spain,Switzerland

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229


Is that too bad to ask or strive for in a society ?

What is wrong with monogomy ?

or Marriage ?

edit on 28-3-2011 by hp1229 because: (no reason given)

There you go again pushing your beliefs as though they should be the way for everyone.

marriage is a religious institute.

Some people believe in polygamy.

You go ahead and do those things. Please tell me why you feel everyone else should have to.

I am not pushing anything. I am simply asking counter questions.

I did not type 'You should practice monogomy" to indicate that I am imposing my values onto others

You are offering monogamy as a reason prostitution should not be legal. Or trying, at least. After you have offered morals, economy, and cultural reason, all of which have been shot down.

edit on 28-3-2011 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)

It is not your fault. It is the culture that you have been brought up with.

Monogamy is not a reason but a cure for seeking external pleasure with unknown individual for sexual pleasure. To me sex is not merely a urge or need but also respect.

Just by typing few responses and feeling better indicating that all I have offered was shot down on ATS doesnt hide the truth from the self conscious

No, but a quick look through this thread sure shows you have no argument to stand on here.

I do love the idea, though, that not advocating marriage means im a product of my culture, when the US is an EXTREMELY marriage heavy nation. Disgustingly so. It is indoctrinated in our kids from the minute they start being cognizant.

But I'M the one who is a product of my culture....

Seriously, you are really bad at this

Originally posted by vschnz
reply to post by TheAmused

 

Well, I dont know were u from but at least in Europe, prostitution is legal.. Well, at least in Holland, France,Germany,Belgium and Switzerland

Oh yea in one of those countries, it isn't illegal to pay for a prostitute but the prostitute can still be prosecuted,

Seems fair to me.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by vschnz
reply to post by TheAmused

 

Well, I dont know were u from but at least in Europe, prostitution is legal.. Well, at least in Holland, France,Germany,Belgium and Switzerland

Oh yea in one of those countries, it isn't illegal to pay for a prostitute but the prostitute can still be prosecuted,

Seems fair to me.

If its advertized as disease and drug free and you catch something then maybe accountability isn't such a bad thing.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by neowakko

 

I'm not pretending it's not happening, I'm pointing out how demoralized and boxed many of you guys are. You guys are saying that because it happens, it must be acceptable. That's idiotic. IF our society had an intact moral structure still, society WOULD shun these bastards, and our species WOULD become stronger over time.

I think this thread is just another great example of what I like to call "left-brained idiocy".

I am absolutely dying with laughter reading this response!! "These bastards"?? I hate to be the person to break the news to you, but there are many many more worse things that a person can do to another person besides giving them an orgasm.

The logic of some people amazes me. Men have lied, cheated, promised the moon and the stars, and deceived to extreme levels just to get the attention of a woman.... but if that woman just says, "Hey..lets cut all the nonsense, give me 100 bucks and I will give you what you want" for that, someone should go to jail?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by vschnz
reply to post by TheAmused

 

Well, I dont know were u from but at least in Europe, prostitution is legal.. Well, at least in Holland, France,Germany,Belgium and Switzerland

Oh yea in one of those countries, it isn't illegal to pay for a prostitute but the prostitute can still be prosecuted,

Seems fair to me.

Oh Yea?? And wich country is that?? Minimum age for prostitution in Switzerland is 16 by the way

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I fail to see how pointing out the abuses in the ILLEGAL sex trade proves anything about legalizing prostitution. But since you are still dodging my question....

For starter, if legal, prostitutes will have the ability to go to the police if abused. Right now, its basically the same as a coke dealer going to the cops when his stash gets stolen. You simply cannot report a crime that is compounded on a crime.

If prostitution is legal, they have LEGAL RECOURSE. So that right there is the first and foremost reason any numbers pertaining to the illegal sex trade are irrelevant here.

Second, if prostitution is regulated, that means it will largely cut out the underage prostitutes. Theres reason #2.

Im not saying things still wont happen. But I am definitely saying that they happen at such a high number right now SOLELY because it is illegal.