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A Question for ATS Masons, What is a Ster-convex

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posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 10:48 AM
reply to post by network dude

Well on sinister development as we have seen in the War Zones and also domestically during protests is the development of Sound Cannons and Sound Weapons, so while that art thankfully appears to be in it's infancy it is something military science is beginning to tinker with and understand better.

Many New Age thinkers believe that all life operates on a vibrational density scale similiar to the 8 octave steps on a musical scale, theorizing we are third density creatures involved in a universal learning excersize that would in theory take us all the way up to an eigth density being of unsurpassed knowledge, wisdom, love, light etc.

Its scientifically established that we all operate through an electric charge that creates a vibrating resonance within our bodies and many do believe it's possible to actually enter differnt dimensions through simply altering the resonating frequency that we operate on.

So it's all about finding that magical note that alters that vibration jumping us from one dimension to another by then tuning in to another or other dimension operating simotaneously within our same period of of time, within our same proximity of space.

So in theory music in an odd way could be used as a control element to essentially lock people into this point of dimensional time and space, or conversely the opposite to free someone from this point of time and space.

Disclaimer: Not all dimensions of time and space have beer, pizza and strip clubs and one leaves this one assuming all cullinary and entertainment risks!

Great post my friend.

posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 11:03 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

III. THE PRINCIPLE OF VIBRATION. “Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates.”–The Kybalion. This Principle embodies the truth that “everything is in motion”; “everything vibrates”; “nothing is at rest”; facts which Modern Science endorses, and which each new scientific discovery tends to verify. And yet this Hermetic Principle was enunciated thousands of years ago, by the Masters of Ancient Egypt. This Principle explains that the differences between different manifestations of Matter, Energy, Mind, and even Spirit, result largely from varying rates of Vibration. From THE ALL, which is Pure Spirit, down to the grossest form of Matter, all is in vibration–the higher the vibration, the higher the position in the scale. The vibration of Spirit is at such an infinite rate of intensity and rapidity that it is practically at rest–just as a rapidly moving wheel seems to be motionless. And at the other end of the scale, there are gross forms of matter whose vibrations are so low as to seem at rest. Between these poles, there are millions upon millions of varying degrees of vibration. From corpuscle and electron, atom and molecule, to worlds and universes, everything is in vibratory motion. This is also true on the planes of energy and force (which are but varying degrees of vibration); and also on the mental planes (whose states depend upon vibrations); and even on to the spiritual planes. An understanding of this Principle, with the appropriate formulas, enables Hermetic students to control their own mental vibrations as well as those of others. The Masters also apply this Principle to the conquering of Natural phenomena, in various ways. “He who understands the Principle of Vibration, has grasped the sceptre of power,” says one of the old writers. I

the above text is from my earlier link. This is the start of the relevant part to this thread. (just in case nobody wanted to dive into the whole thing right now). There is more detail further into the document, but this along with some other ideas presented here bring a good starting point to this being much more important than a passing thought.

posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 11:35 AM
reply to post by network dude

I think the wide variety of information and links everyone is providing is only enhancing the threads quality and not detracting from it.

The Opening Piece is about some cutting edge research that while Josh Norton has displayed a very rare few may have stumbled upon by accident or through theory is just now beginning to be mapped out a somewhat understood.

Yet I do believe all the other related background about the power of, mystery of and history of, music all adds to the relevance of how exciting a topic and field this might prove to be.

Wow I can honestly say I don't understand what the article is all about much better than I did when I posted the original post, I can say that peoeple have provided and been very forthcoming with a lot of great quality information regarding many of the little known and discussed aspects of music which I think really leads to giving the theories the researchers who compiled the article and study some added relevance and just why these discoveries are so potentially important and intriquing.

So I sure do urge anyone and everyone to delve into any related area as deep as they want to go, in what is proving to be a very quality thread and discussion.

Big thanks to everyone who is contributing and taking part.

posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 01:23 PM
I've been looking into this a whole lot more and I wanted to share something that I found quite interesting. If you look at my feeble attempt at a wave pattern below. Imagine the solid line as a guitar string. The red waves above and below it are when it is strummed and this is the frequency at which it is vibrating. Seems low right? I know, believe me I looked for better images but had to settle for my own hastily created image.

Now there was a world renowned physicist named Louis de Broglie who theorized that electrons are in a wave pattern around the nucleus of the atom. The wave could only have a whole number of wavelengths thereby giving it a unique frequency. The more wavelengths the higher the frequency. A smaller amount of wavelengths would create a lower frequency but it is always a whole number of wavelengths around the nucleus.

Imagine the number of wave lengths being a fraction and not a whole number. You would get a skip or disturbance in the frequency and nature always follows the path of least resistance. The wave lengths would always be a whole number. Now imagine many different atoms vibrating at different frequencies and accepting one another or rejecting one another based on their frequencies but always following the path of least resistance.

Louis Victor Pierre Raymond duc de Broglie added to Bohr's model of the atom by reasoning that, since light could act like a particle, an electron could act like a wave. Since the energy E of a photon equals Planck's constant times the frequency f, or E=hf, de Broglie reasoned that the momentum p of an electron would equal Planck's constant divided by the wavelength l, or p=h/l. Using this and the reasoning that only a whole number of wavelengths (see picture) would be possible, de Broglie arrived at the same rule for electron orbits as had Bohr. In other words, a wavelength associated with an electron and derived from its momentum yields a standing-wave pattern identical to Bohr's allowed energy levels. As Einstein put it: "It may look crazy, but it really is sound!"

Now look at the frequency that is depicted in the image below. I counted six wavelengths. How many wavelengths are required to create the Ster-convex image that is depicted in the opening post? I believe five wavelengths. Could this be what the Ster-convex is describing? An atom that holds a certain frequency? I'm not sure but I am certainly learning quite a bit about this topic.

It may be a stretch but this may be the commonality or universal property that music has. The article in the opening post states that the probability of a random series of notes producing a star-convex pattern is very small although it is what happens. Could it be because the star convex pattern is the frequency that is the final tone?

At a superficial level, scales consist of an ascending or descending sequence of tones where the initial and final tones are separated by an octave, which means the frequency of the final tone is twice that of the initial tone (the fundamental).

The probability that a random series of notes will produce a star-convex pattern is very small. Honingh and Bod try to explain this phenomenon by using the notion of consonance (harmony of sounds).

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posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 02:20 PM
Now is most certainly the time for a short musical intermission. Just imagine the star-convex atoms flying through the air all around us as we listen to this very appropriate song.

posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 04:19 PM

Originally posted by jackflap

I've been looking into this a whole lot more and I wanted to share something that I found quite interesting. If you look at my feeble attempt at a wave pattern below. Imagine the solid line as a guitar string. The red waves above and below it are when it is strummed and this is the frequency at which it is vibrating. Seems low right? I know, believe me I looked for better images but had to settle for my own hastily created image.

There is all sorts of interesting information your post inspires...

Particles around the nucleus all form to a specific distance just like our planets... and they are either in one orbit or another. They never change from one or another. They just appear in the other orbit.

In many ways the orbits of the planets and particles are like the sand on the vibrating plate in the video. They conform to a pattern. I think the vibrational frequencies cause the planets to be where they are around the sun and the particles where they are around the nucleus.

On your theory... stings vibrate side to side and all around as well as up and down.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:19 PM
reply to post by pianopraze

Very cool ideas there pianopraze. I was just looking into this pattern more and discovered quite a few more things. Isn't this stuff cool?

"GEOMETRY IS FROZEN MUSIC" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Geometric forms are considered to be the crystallizatons of the creative thoughts of God, and the human hand, in manipulating and constructing these forms, will learn to position itself (Sacred Geometry, 1982).

Music is to time what geometry is to space. Natural sound and music are a reflection of the Divine order. Just like we are often unconsciously affected by goodness or beauty, so we are also unconsciously moved by the interior nature of sound and its harmony. Just as you may not notice a film's soundtrack, yet it would lack intensity, context and richness without one.

In Hindu tradition the icosahedron is associated with Purusha who is the seed image of Brahma, who is the supreme creator himself.

The icosahedron then generates the dodecahedron which represents Prakriti, who is the feminine power of creation of the matter (mother) universe.

A star is then born within it's pentagon (below) which then produces the Golden Ratio which is the energy of resurrection and symbol of the Christ according to some sacred geometrical texts.

There is no doubt that this requires much more investigation and I believe I know now why I never got around to looking into this stuff. Dammit Proto, why did you have to start this thread?

The golden ratio is the mathematical proportion infinitum. Often called by its Greek name phi, it is also known as the Divine Proportion, the Golden Ratio, the Golden Section and the Golden Mean. It is indelibly inscribed in the heart of nature and man. Trace the thread of this "golden mean" from daisy to pyramid, from pine cone to Parthenon. Or from seashell to spiral nebulae as described above. The cosmos weaves its garments with perfect integrity, laced by the golden ratio. It is so omnipresent that many philosophers, artists, mathematicians, and scientists have considered it an essential component of beauty, perhaps integral to life itself. Plato considered it the key to the physics of cosmos.

Now we come to one of nature's greatest mysteries, the creation of matter by sound. "And God SAID, let there be light." "In the beginning was the WORD, ... and the Word was God."

In the ancient Hindu Vedas: "In the beginning was Brahman with whom was the Word. And the Word was Brahman."

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:35 PM
reply to post by jackflap

That's some impressive research there JackFlap, it appears like we have stumbled upon a very significant topic to research and learn more about.

I think this is something incredibly intriquing that has some tremendous potential to open up a lot of doors to better understanding the nature of our universe.

I wonder if this is where sacred geometry actually originates from at it's roots, or if man first began observing it and studying it through other elements?

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 06:40 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

You know, it's really strange. I was reading a lot about geometry and music on a few sites that I was sure to bookmark. The stuff they were relaying was eerily similar to the stuff we were going over in this thread. It just made it much more understandable.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 07:20 PM
reply to post by jackflap

You know I have to say I am partial to the Hindu version because Brahman sounds a lot like steaks on the barbie to me!

Yet I do believe the evidence is there to make a case for the universe being created through a sound, that registered a note, that led to a vibration, that began to shape and organize matter, that led to another sound and note, that shaped it a bit further and so on and so forth to a whole chours of resonating sound created an ongoing ever more defined universe, that just keeps expanding and defining itself in a chain reaction of sound through the shapes and substance that the vibrations create.

We see a similiar beginning recounted in two of the earth's oldest yet very different religions, that are basically starting out with the same premise, the same way, just with slightly different charachters and frazing.

Lost in translation throughout time is no doubt the actual word, but I have a funny feeling that the actual word is not as important as the actual note, tone and resonance of the sound the word helped form.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 08:22 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It certainly is interesting to say the least. The researchers in the article that you presented in the opening post connect their results with language and visual perception as well. This is where convex patterns have been detected as well and this could indicate a general cognitive property or cognitive universal.

They also say that the probability of a random set of notes producing a star - convex pattern is very small. There must have been that original sound that your talking about. Below is the symbol for the word Om.

Have you ever seen a bunch of people all together chanting Om? Very low frequency and drawn out. It is certainly a Hindu symbol. This is what they believe to be the original sound that began creation.

It is the mantra, the creation vibration. It is the ancient sound by which we live; it has always been there. The Om symbol is a sacred syllable representing Brahman, the impersonal Absolute - omnipotent, omnipresent, and the source of all manifest existence. Brahman, in itself, is incomprehensible; so a symbol becomes mandatory to help us realize the Unknowable. Om, therefore, represents both the unmanifest (nirguna) and manifest (saguna) aspects of God. That is why it is called Pranava, to mean that it pervades life and runs through our prana or breath. Aum is said to be the essence of all mantras, the highest of all matras or divine word (shabda), brahman (ultimate reality) itself. Aum is said to be the essence of the Vedas. By sound and form, AUM symbolizes the infinite Brahman (ultimate reality) and the entire universe.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 08:57 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I wonder what the scale of this chant would look like in the Euler lattice? I'll bet it creates the star - convex pattern. The below text is from the original article.

Dr. Aline Honingh and Prof. Rens Bod from the ILLC did this for nearly 1,000 scales from all over the world, from Japan to Indonesia and from China to Greece. To their surprise, they discovered that all traditional scales produced star-convex patterns.

OM - The divine sound - Vibration of the universe - this upload demonstrates proper chanting of this Holy sound OM

The universe therefore consists of glorious trembling tones, of a wonderful vibration. Pythagoras called it the music of the spheres.

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posted on Mar, 31 2011 @ 08:06 AM
there is this as
I know most think it's a joke and he was a con. But this is another that the military was meeting with him to discuss buying his technology or using it. Maybe it is nothing, but when he discussed how the hydrogen conversion process was working, he mentioned a resonant frequency that he used to make the electrolysis happen at such a high rate. Maybe the science guys are right and there will never be a practical use for hydrogen, but what if we don't know everything there is to know about this process yet and somehow, using vibrations, frequency, sound will somehow open up Pandoras box on this subject. I keep feeling like this is all linked to something very big.

posted on Mar, 31 2011 @ 02:30 PM
reply to post by network dude

I believe so too networkdude. There is a lot of seriously pertinent information that I'm coming across. The information that I'm referring to has huge implications. We know we've come this far and let me try to figure something out for a moment.

The opening post says that musical scales were found to have a universal property. What is created when tracked in a five point lattice grid is the star - convex pattern. We have found out that the golden ratio is within this geometrical shape that has emerged. The golden ratio is found everywhere in nature.

What are the implications of random man made musical scales having the same mathematical properties as the golden ratio? Below is the original star - convex pattern in the opening post and we clearly see the star that is referred to as containing these properties.

Below is some information I have discovered on lattices and pentagons.

Proof that, for any five lattice points in convex position, another lattice point is on or inside the inner pentagon of the five-point star they form.

Now consider this external content for a moment.

Geometric forms are considered to be the crystallizatons of the creative thoughts of God, and the human hand, in manipulating and constructing these forms, will learn to position itself (Sacred Geometry, 1982).

"GEOMETRY IS FROZEN MUSIC" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

posted on Mar, 31 2011 @ 05:14 PM
How far back does this topic go that we are dealing with? What has this star - convex pattern inspired us to delve into? I've learned that the ancients considered architecture and musical modes and notes as being one and the same. They believed that as the human body is symmetrical, so too should architecture be as magnificently designed.

There was a great relationship between music and form. This analogy between music and form must have been what Goethe was referring to when he described architecture as crystallized music. They knew there was a connection between music or sound and the material world and that when utilized correctly this knowledge would lead them to solving the mysteries of the universe. How far back did this knowledge go?

I wondered this as I came across the images of the human body below. I wondered how ancient structures would compare to the natural symmetry of the human body as displayed in the images. I immediately thought of the Great Pyramid because I was checking out a thread on that not too long ago and it certainly is ancient. So, check this out.

This image or template is called the Mystery Of The Macrocosm.

This image or template is called the Mystery Of The Microcosm.

This image is of course the Great Pyramid.

This is the Great Pyramid cropped out and placed on top of the Macrocosm image.

This is the Great Pyramid turned to see if the points of intersection line up symmetrically with the symmetry of the human body.

Now this is the Microcosm image of the human body with the Great Pyramid placed on top. Notice the points of intersection lining up with the diagram.

How far back does this knowledge really go? Plato described poetry and songs that existed in Egypt for ten thousand years. These works were so exquisite and inspiring that Plato had come to the conclusion that only gods or godlike men could have created them. We know this knowledge of harmony and symmetry go as far back as the Egyptians now and that is good enough for me.

I still want to find out more in regards to this topic. The information is vast.

posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 09:15 PM
reply to post by jackflap

So it would seem we reach that point where the real mystery of the pentagram is sound conjuring up a pattern, of sound or as you say crystallized.

The Pentagram surrounded by a circle believed to be able to conjure up the devil or demons.

The devil actually being what you could or might create with the sound that sustains and defines the pattern a infinite number of possibilities, of worlds within worlds within worlds.

How odd isn’t it that our pentagon is the center of a war department violently shaping the world!

The coincidences are so striking that the odds of them not being inter-ralated are miniscule to none.

So we identify a key construct to the ordering of the universe.

Now we have looked at how man fits into the pyramid, the pentagram, the star created with a sound, but what now, and this then is very intriguing is the sphinx the cat, a powerful predator in nature, some of which are known to devour men and eat them, down to the lovable lazy house cat.

Is it some kind of inhibitor, watcher or guardian?

That might even lead to why am I stuck feeding a stray lovable cat 3 times each night?

Sound making more than one shape? Dueling? Co-existing?

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posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 12:59 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

So it would seem we reach that point where the real mystery of the pentagram is sound conjuring up a pattern, of sound or as you say crystallized. The Pentagram surrounded by a circle believed to be able to conjure up the devil or demons. The devil actually being what you could or might create with the sound that sustains and defines the pattern a infinite number of possibilities, of worlds within worlds within worlds. How odd isn’t it that our pentagon is the center of a war department violently shaping the world! The coincidences are so striking that the odds of them not being inter-ralated are miniscule to none. So we identify a key construct to the ordering of the universe.

This whole thing keeps bringing me back to the fact that throughout time there have been people who grasped this idea that geometric forms are considered to be the crystallization's of the creative thoughts of God. The human hand manipulating matter and constructing these forms. You can make a connection to the divine and man with these ideas.

The premise of the thread, the star - convex pattern being formed by random human sounds or music is what stumps me. The article states that it implies a universal cognitive or a uniform general cognitive property. Is this the same as saying collective consciousness? I'm not really sure but it does seem to be the same thing that they are implying.

So the divine ratio or phi emerges within random human sounds or music naturally. The article does not state this but it is something that we found out for ourselves by looking into the pattern and learning a bit more about it. Did the researchers know the implications of what they discovered? I'm sure of it. I looked up the researchers and found a PDF that they did on the subject.

I want to quote an external text from it and then an external text from The Pythagorean Theory Of Music And Color.

In this paper the property of (star-) convexity is used to describe and explain the goodness of musical items. We noted that several musical items are (star-) convex but that this process is not reversible: convex sets do not per se make good chords/scales/etc. Convexity is used to describe "underlying" features in music but no "surface" features such as rhythm and melody. This suggests that (star-) convexity may serve as a condition for the "goodness" or musical items. With this, we could hypothesize that people listening to a piece of music strive to perceive convex structures.

HARMONY is a state recognized by great philosophers as the immediate prerequisite of beauty. A compound is termed beautiful only when its parts are in harmonious combination. The world is called beautiful and its Creator is designated the Good because good perforce must act in conformity with its own nature; and good acting according to its own nature is harmony, because the good which it accomplishes is harmonious with the good which it is. Beauty, therefore, is harmony manifesting its own intrinsic nature in the world of form. (The Pythagorean Theory of Music and Color)

Now, there are many conclusions to choose from when all of this is considered. I will have to take some time to fully grasp what I'm learning here. We see the researchers referring to the good in music. We see Pythagorean referring to the good in harmony and how it manifests beauty in the world of form or matter. Again, drawing a similarity to man and the divine. This is truly mind blowing stuff but incredibly interesting.

The fact that the Pentagon is the center of our military operations is no coincidence. From what little we have learned so far I am convinced that the shape of that building was determined by people or something that knew all too well about the power of what we are just now discovering and wanted to use it toward their own ends.

How odd isn’t it that our pentagon is the center of a war department violently shaping the world! The coincidences are so striking that the odds of them not being inter-ralated are miniscule to none. So we identify a key construct to the ordering of the universe.

Coincidence? I think not.

A song that I remembered from way back kept playing in my mind when I was doing this post. It was a song that I heard from nickelodeon a long while back on accident and I wasn't really even paying attention to it at the time. I just searched long and hard and did find it. I only found it because I remembered a few verses from it. Check it out.

posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 02:24 AM
Fascinating topic!

I’ve often thought that there had to be some sort of connection between the 7 musical notes, the 7 planets recognized by the ancients, the 7 chakras, the 7 greek vowels, and the 7 principle colors of the visible light spectrum.

I looked deeply into this subject last summer in hopes of coming to some sort of conclusive pattern of correspondence, with the idea that if it could be done, the practical applications for this knowledge would be endless and incredibly efficacious. I never came to such a conclusive discovery, but found some fascinating information, not all of which I can recall at present, though I will share some things that might be helpful to others.

Firstly, I highly recommend taking a look at this book called ‘Esoteric Harmonics’ written by a member of the theosophical society. You can read it online here: Esoteric Harmonics

It is not generally known, but the standard Western system of musical pitch (i.e. note frequency), in part, approximates to the same frequency pattern as our solar system (i.e. as taught by Theosophy). This should come as no surprise since the universe can be thought of as an enormous cluster of interwoven vibrating (or oscillating) energy waves. Indeed, it could be said that the vibrations that compose our universe (and everything in it) represent the reverberating sound of the Voice of God.

the frequencies of the natural notes of our musical system (i.e. as represented by the white keys of a piano keyboard) can be re-calculated so that they fit neatly into a framework that is based on multiples of the number 49. And this can be done without varying the notes significantly from their original values in the standard system.

That book contains some interesting insights into the great pyramids, the fibonacci sequence, the golden mean, and how it all fits together.

Another interesting, though perhaps unrelated and meaningless, anomaly I discovered had to do with the 7 heavenly spheres the ancients spoke of. The order the ancients listed them was: Moon, mercury, venus, sun, mars, jupiter, and saturn. I then applied the perfect fifth, which in music theory is regarded as the most stable or harmonious interval other than the octave, and remarkably, the order results in the days of the week.

If you take the the moon (corresponds with monday), then skip 3 planets you come up with mars (corresponds with tuesday), skip 3 more and you get mercury (corresponds with wednesday) and so on.

The significance of this could be that there may be an inherent “harmony of the spheres” as pythagoras put it, and this esoteric knowledge could be ingrained into our very calendars.

Also, is it possible that this may be the underlying mechanical process of astrology? The fundamental problem with astrology is that it doesn’t explain how the planets could influence us, but what if vibrational frequency is the medium in which the motion of these heavenly spheres affect our behavior?

Perhaps frequencies are the key to understanding our universe and how it is governed. As others have pointed out, the study of cymatics has shown that frequencies have the power to organize matter into natural geometric forms. If we apply this concept to a grander scale (As Above, So Below) then it could explain the perfect harmony in which our universe is governed.

If one is inclined to research the more scientific and mathematical foundations of this subject, I would suggest looking into Hans Kayser.

Hans Kayser was a German art and music theorist and founder of modern harmonic research in the 20th century.

The acoustic-musical laws in a more comprehensive, more universal overall context, focusing on a possible relationship of these laws to the planets and spheres to make, was a beginning with Pythagoras of Samos in ancient and medieval popular exercise (see harmony of the spheres ), which in modern times, although lost its appeal but did not disappear entirely.

Since 1920, Kayser was working on the reformulation of the Pythagorean thought and tried the findings of Johannes Kepler (Harmonic mundi) and Albert Thimus of a harmonic order of the world on the basis of metaphysical speculation to revive.

posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:38 AM
Here is what I find interesting and intriguing too and I think we have all seen the microcosm of it. Something happens that a small group of people notices through partially witnessing the event. Something that they saw or heard but only caught a glimpse of but don’t fully understand. So the first thing that they do is to congregate and speculate about it, one says he thinks it is that, another says she thinks it is this, while yet another tells them they are both wrong they think it was this, while a fourth says no, it was actually that.

So imagine then if you would nothing but empty space that seems to stretch to infinity and all of a sudden a sound occurs.

As it vibrates and ripples through that empty space creating a disturbance in it, that disturbance forces the empty space, which is not so empty but like a digitized picture is full of pixels. Each pixel a particle a particle that helps to make up and define the infinite space similar to a piece of sand, with each spec of sand helping to define a beach.

The vibration of the sound though causes those specs to become displaced from their normal fixed position and now clumps them into a group.

A group that takes form in the form of a number of similar pixels/grains/specs now clumped together in a pattern that gives it a shape, a geometric shape that creates a border around that group of pixels/grains/specs that now has come to ‘life’ through becoming aware of the sound, the sound that has displaced them and caused them to form together where the first thing each spec has in common is one nagging question.

What the heck was that sound?!?!?!?!

Since it was the very first sound, there would be no words or thoughts in existence to accurately describe to one another what the sound was!

There would be no word for word.

So there would be no word for sound.

So it would be quite maddening then trying to define it, as shape after shape, born through the ripple of the sound that disturbed and misplaced each particle into a shape began to struggle to define its existence, its new existence within the new border, with the new group it found it self lumped into that the sound created!

So how would they then attempt to define and understand this first sound?

By making more sounds! Sounds meant to define, explain, rationalize and ultimately understand what a sound was, that first sound.

A chain reaction of sound is now occurring, as each particle has become aware through it, each group that they were arranged into through the sound became aware through it, and each suddenly realized I am that I am.

So as each particle then makes a sound attempting to define the original sound, they are also guess what? Each attempting to create a group of other particles that agree with them on their definition of the sound!

To define the sound as a specific thing, it basically means that every random infinite possibility of what it is or could be likely exists.

So now as you struggle to define it as a group, a group that gives shape to a pattern, a fixed and defined thing with borders, with what is inside the border defining what the sound means and should exist within the border to explain and define it, and everything outside the border being not what the sound is, we are creating from within, what in essence we are pulling from and conjuring up from without.

A universe of endless possibilities and alternatives, being rejected, by pulling inside the borders we are building with sounds, meant to define the sound and explain it.

I am what I am, but what am I? And can I find some other things to agree that what I think the sound has created that I heard that caused me to become aware is a specific thing?

A specific thing then created and defined through sound, now lets look at that on the human level.

Build here, dig there, put that and that together, wire those two together, add an egg, mix slightly, put in a dash of nutmeg, everything we do in reality starts with a sound directing we do it.

So we are ordering our universe through sound, sound meant to define it, sound in many ways just to try to figure out what that very first sound meant and was.

But then here comes the million dollar question, is that an echo, a response to, or all part of the first sound still forming itself, as each component of the sound, things that resonated a sound combine together in something being heard on a universal scale.

posted on Apr, 2 2011 @ 10:54 AM
Now lets take a look at the shapes that keep reoccurring, the geometric patterns that keep emerging with defined borders meant to contain a sound, a sound that defines something is occurring within.

Look around your room that you are ‘within’ a room with a defined geometrical shape to contain you and the sounds that you make, what’s inside of the room?

A lot more things with the same or similar shape, reoccurring boxes and rectangles and circles and spheres, each with a precise and defined task that your life revolves around and is sustained by, a box to keep your food cold, a box to heat it up for before you eat it, a box to hold the dishes you eat it on, a box to keep you cold or warm, a box to let you see outside of your box, another box that reflects the image of what’s inside your box, a box to entertain you with images of other boxes outside of your box, another box to communicate with those outside of your box, even a box to learn all about boxes, with little lettered boxes to depress to formulate what precisely you want to know or communicate to find out more about what’s in the box or to better define what’s in the box, or occurring within the box.

The box that become a group, a group with a shape, containing within it, something struggling to define the sound, in a war of sound, being created to define the sound.

A box we can never quite get outside of because what ever is outside of the box we conjure up inside the box in our attempt to discover and define it by in essence extending the borders of the box in that quest!

Thus creating the infinite ever expanding universe!

And a dilemma as how can you think or see outside the box when the very attempt simply expands the box, drawing those elements inside the box in an attempt to give shape and understanding to them. Shape and understanding through sound, words to define it has fixed principles and does precise things that can be understood, and relied on in their reactions.

Their reactions to sound!

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