You are completely correct in Fearing G-d as the way to overcome fear of earthly matters. Demagogues take advantage of this externalized fear. Hence,
they need to separate us from a meaningful relationship with G-d, which should combine both fear and love. Fear of doing wrong - that is, things that
you know conflict with your conscience, and by honoring G-d in this way, and fearing retribution or separation from him, you simultaneously grow in
your love and trust in Him.
Fear gets a bad rap. Fear of G-d is a very good thing. Infact, those who fear G-d, fear no government or state pressure.
Theres a reason why some of the greatest of biblical figures were rebellious. They Feared only G-d, and therefore were courageous in their rejection
of corrupt governments. See Noah, Abraham, Moses, the biblical prophets.
This makes the new testament doctrine of "rendering unto caeser that which is his caesers" and the discussions elsewhere all the more suspect.
G-d wants us to do what is right. If Caeser or the government coerces to do the opposite, all because of "political correctness" than you my friend
are an idolator. You have put the state ahead of G-d.
Compare the idea of "They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but they cannot see; Ears, but they cannot hear" in reference to idols. Think deeply
about this.
One who does what is politically correct, has "eyes" but he does not see. He has a mouth, but he does not speak what he knows to be true. He has
ears, but chooses not to understand. This is a symbol for the idol - the false (and utterly pagan) notion that politics is the ultimate authority.
One who fears G-d does what Abraham did: smashed the idols of his father (or false and corrupt beliefs of his ancestors).
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reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:01 PM by kevinunknown
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
I believe in God
I believe you are a victim of the religion of conspiracy.
I don’t believe however that Harry Potter was created by “TPTB”.
I believe in God
I believe you are a victim of the religion of conspiracy.
I don’t believe however that Harry Potter was created by “TPTB”.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:05 PM by kevinunknown
reply to post by boondock-saint
Do you have anything constructive to contribute or are you incapable of that on any thread not about George Soros?
Do you have anything constructive to contribute or are you incapable of that on any thread not about George Soros?
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:06 PM by Doomsday 2029
reply to post by kevinunknown
most people on ATS have come to the conclusion that the official story regarding 9/11
is complete Bull$hit..... and now we've moved on to other subjects.
man... if the truth is ever exposed you are going to be in for a rude awakening.
But... I'm very thankful that people like you exist at the moment. If we didn't have
people like you the world would be in complete chaos.
9/11 is obviously the biggest Fear-Tactic ever created.... that day the world stopped
and trembled with fear... and you still think this is the work of 19 muslims?
regardless of what you think about 9/11... Look at how your government took full advantage
of the situation.
most people on ATS have come to the conclusion that the official story regarding 9/11
is complete Bull$hit..... and now we've moved on to other subjects.
man... if the truth is ever exposed you are going to be in for a rude awakening.
But... I'm very thankful that people like you exist at the moment. If we didn't have
people like you the world would be in complete chaos.
9/11 is obviously the biggest Fear-Tactic ever created.... that day the world stopped
and trembled with fear... and you still think this is the work of 19 muslims?
regardless of what you think about 9/11... Look at how your government took full advantage
of the situation.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:09 PM by kevinunknown
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Did you read the thread, or my pervious threads on 9/11 I am quite open minded on the subject. so your entire last post is irrelevant to me, much like this thread.
Did you read the thread, or my pervious threads on 9/11 I am quite open minded on the subject. so your entire last post is irrelevant to me, much like this thread.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:10 PM by HOLDYOURFUTURECLOSE
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Your first five sentences is enough to make me say, Go back and do more research!
God does not teach fear. Man who have twisted the words of GOD teach fear.
Your first five sentences is enough to make me say, Go back and do more research!
God does not teach fear. Man who have twisted the words of GOD teach fear.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:12 PM by HOLDYOURFUTURECLOSE
Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by boondock-saint
Do you have anything constructive to contribute or are you incapable of that on any thread not about George Soros?
Really, not a good posture for a man thinking of run for pres.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:14 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by HOLDYOURFUTURECLOSE
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Your first five sentences is enough to make me say, Go back and do more research!
God does not teach fear. Man who have twisted the words of GOD teach fear.
As long as the Lords in my life I will have no fear
I will know no pain from the light to the dark
I will show no shame spit it right from the heart
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:17 PM by Doomsday 2029
Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Did you read the thread, or my pervious threads on 9/11 I am quite open minded on the subject. so your entire last post is irrelevant to me, much like this thread.
I've seen thousands of threads on ATS that are irrelevant to me... I usually don't post in them.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:21 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by JakiusFogg
This is not an alter ego, I am anything but a “gun toting ape with a bad attitude” i am rational, the OP is not rational and backs up some of my previous arguments that conspiracies are dangerous for those living with mental illness. If I point this out then advise the OP to go get some help then my conscious is clear.
I wouldn't confuse "denial" with rational.
One of the United States Governments favorite crimes to charge people with is a little thing called CONSPIRACY.
The first conspiracy to effect the world probably occured when the third person was introduced into it, to give the first two something to conspire against!
The fact that some people lack the intelligence and social skills to gain the trust of someone willing to conspire with them is what I am guessing leads people to imagine there are no conspiracies.
In fact someone running around the boards here looking to enlist people into a agenda that could basically be summed up as "There are no conspiracies" would be a conspiracy.
But I tell you what Kevin, when you can actually explain the UNKNOWN how the universe sprang into being, the meaning of life, what happens after death, etc. in any definitive way you be sure to let us all know, in the meantime people will keep doing what they have been doing for tens of thousands of years, trying to figure it out based on the limited information and evidence and then conspiring to ram their world view down everyone else's throat.
Evidently some people never gag.
Go figure.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:26 PM by dontreally
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
Well, that just shows you.
Crime, Sex, drugs, fame, simply does not pay. DMX is now experiencing the flip side of that life he has lived.
But hey, if he can return to a faith in G-d, and sincerely repent and try to do good, than thats all that matters.
In that sense, the "devil" does not exist. It is actually a zoroastrian (and this may be the deeper idea behind the magi attending christs birth) concept which separates good from evil, and attriubtes a different powers for each. The early christian theologians, like Marcion for instance (and taken up later by augustine) regarded the god of the old testament as the "evil" god, and the god of the new testament, as the "good" god.
This idea prefigured the later doctrine of G-d and the devil.
Now, this is all patently ridiculous. Never once is the devil mentioned in the Tanakh and for good reason. As G-d says through Isaiah "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."
G-d, therefore IS the accuser, or the Satan. Satan, is simply one of G-ds many faces. In Kabbalistic thought, the archetype of evil is called Sam'El. El, means "power". Thus, Mika'El means "who is like G-d" or, Who is like unto this power? This is the angel, or emanation of G-ds Chesed (loving kindness). Gavri'El (Gabriel, meaning "strength of G-d" is the emanation of G-ds attribute of justice. Sam"El is pure and utter evil. Yet, the great mystery of this power is that its ultimate destiny is to produce good.
G-d is a good G-d. Theres a reason why Good in English possesses another "o" (that is, the emanation of God). Good, is what G-d IS.
The creator has a purpose for each of us. Those who follow his will and serve him (and the book of Job explores the possibilities of this relationship) by rejecting evil (that, following his conscience), and doing good are destined for whats called in Hebrew "OLaM HaBa", the world to come, or Heaven.
The reason why in this age the righteous suffer and the wicked prevail, is because of the overall spiritual disfunction of mankind as a whole. We are ALL literally one. We cannot escape this fact. When the majority do bad, than at any time some aspect of the collective man can be stricken, which is sometimes the righteous.
This mode can be called "Derekh Elohim". The way of Judgement, or Law and Order. In this mode, G-d appears to act randomly.
Conversely, when the majority of mankind is righteous, it is "Derekh YHVH" the name of compassion. Those who do good recieve their just reward, while those who do evil are immediately punished, whether by an earthly court (who honors and fears G-d) or by a calamity or sickness.. This being good because a punishment is best carried out immediately rather than allowing the person to further degenerate and worsen his situation, and his ultimate punishment.
Well, that just shows you.
Crime, Sex, drugs, fame, simply does not pay. DMX is now experiencing the flip side of that life he has lived.
But hey, if he can return to a faith in G-d, and sincerely repent and try to do good, than thats all that matters.
In that sense, the "devil" does not exist. It is actually a zoroastrian (and this may be the deeper idea behind the magi attending christs birth) concept which separates good from evil, and attriubtes a different powers for each. The early christian theologians, like Marcion for instance (and taken up later by augustine) regarded the god of the old testament as the "evil" god, and the god of the new testament, as the "good" god.
This idea prefigured the later doctrine of G-d and the devil.
Now, this is all patently ridiculous. Never once is the devil mentioned in the Tanakh and for good reason. As G-d says through Isaiah "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."
G-d, therefore IS the accuser, or the Satan. Satan, is simply one of G-ds many faces. In Kabbalistic thought, the archetype of evil is called Sam'El. El, means "power". Thus, Mika'El means "who is like G-d" or, Who is like unto this power? This is the angel, or emanation of G-ds Chesed (loving kindness). Gavri'El (Gabriel, meaning "strength of G-d" is the emanation of G-ds attribute of justice. Sam"El is pure and utter evil. Yet, the great mystery of this power is that its ultimate destiny is to produce good.
G-d is a good G-d. Theres a reason why Good in English possesses another "o" (that is, the emanation of God). Good, is what G-d IS.
The creator has a purpose for each of us. Those who follow his will and serve him (and the book of Job explores the possibilities of this relationship) by rejecting evil (that, following his conscience), and doing good are destined for whats called in Hebrew "OLaM HaBa", the world to come, or Heaven.
The reason why in this age the righteous suffer and the wicked prevail, is because of the overall spiritual disfunction of mankind as a whole. We are ALL literally one. We cannot escape this fact. When the majority do bad, than at any time some aspect of the collective man can be stricken, which is sometimes the righteous.
This mode can be called "Derekh Elohim". The way of Judgement, or Law and Order. In this mode, G-d appears to act randomly.
Conversely, when the majority of mankind is righteous, it is "Derekh YHVH" the name of compassion. Those who do good recieve their just reward, while those who do evil are immediately punished, whether by an earthly court (who honors and fears G-d) or by a calamity or sickness.. This being good because a punishment is best carried out immediately rather than allowing the person to further degenerate and worsen his situation, and his ultimate punishment.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:30 PM by kevinunknown
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
This thread is clearly BS to anyone with half a brain it’s got nothing to do with me claiming there are not conspiracies, something that I do not believe. I do believe in some conspiracies I just have more moderate views that many of you.
You cannot possibly say that the OP is rational.
This thread is clearly BS to anyone with half a brain it’s got nothing to do with me claiming there are not conspiracies, something that I do not believe. I do believe in some conspiracies I just have more moderate views that many of you.
You cannot possibly say that the OP is rational.
reply posted on 27-3-2011 @ 04:34 PM by jonnywhite
Originally posted by kevinunknownHe may not be rationale, but who is? I've seen studies that conclude our mind cannot be rationale. Science is only rationale because it's obsessive about being rationale. But anyway, after read through the thread I do not think the OP is a freak one step away from gunning people down in a mall. I think he's just exploring some ideas and seeing where they go. Perhaps you've grown out of that, but if so, I feel sorry for you. Can you see how fear might create things in the world? Could fear create terrorists? Could fear create global warming? I don't know, but I at least am going to explore the idea rather than discarding it.
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
This thread is clearly BS to anyone with half a brain it’s got nothing to do with me claiming there are not conspiracies, something that I do not believe. I do believe in some conspiracies I just have more moderate views that many of you.
You cannot possibly say that the OP is rational.
For that mattter, I do not think fear itself could create things like in the movie Sphere. But as I said in my previous post, I think fear could incite things in the world to move in a particular way and that this could change reality in potentially dramatic ways.
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