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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by NightGypsy
Why would God want us to fear him?



God doesn't want us to fear him... But it should just come naturally.

To fear him, is to respect him... like a father.

being in a chaotic world like this with evil lurking around,
as a child you should be afraid if you didn't have your father
to protect you from the unknown.

It's like a 5 year old walking down a dark alley with his dad... He isn't
afraid of the dark alley... but he would be if his Dad wasn't with him.

Also... shouldn't you be afraid to not have Love in your life?


Ummm..........I really dont feel the need to fear in order to respect.......matter of fact I can respect out of awe, or wonderment, I can respect as one equal to another. Fear is a negative emotional state, any relationship that I have with a "higher" being, will be respectful, but never subserviant. If I am a "created" being, then I am respectfully thankful and take my place as creator as well.........I am quantumly entangled, and an observational force, that changes, reality because I am..........The world is as we percieve it, because we percieve it to be so.....why not collectively..........change our minds?

YouSir




posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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What would happen, if every single person on this planet, I'm talking about the entire human race, all stopped and thought of one thing in their mind, simultaneously at the same time?

So, I guess it's safe to ask in this thread...

Can the collective thought/brain power, of the entire human species, warp reality?

Hard to say, because you can never achieve it. There is no way you can get every single human on planet Earth to think about 1 thing at the same time. So we would never know



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Not that any of you will care... I wish I was able to broadcast this on
youtube or something. My research is now complete

The Truth is... it all comes down to FEAR.

never underestimate what the power of Fear can manifest it's self into.
The Devil Knows this. TPTB know this. this is why God wants you to fear him and nothing else.

Now I believe that the Illuminati have their hands on damn near everything.
Banks, Governments, The Media... most of us can agree on this...
the one industry they also own (that is commonly dismissed) is Hollywood.

The Freemasons obviously have their signs & symbols all over most big budget films...
So just like any other mason in the old days... they leave their secrets within their architecture.
This is how they"hide it in plain site" so to speak.... whatever craft they specialize in, weather it's
"building pyramids" or "directing movies"... they always leave their secrets within their architecture.

So what piece of "architecture" would I lie to examine today?
What film could possibly have a big secret to reveal?

The 1998 film Sphere:

www.imdb.com...

which got a 5.7 out of 10 on IMDB.

written by Michael Crichton, directed by Berry Levinson
(he has a very suspect resume... Wag the Dog & Sleepers)





Let me speed this up and get to my point: in the movie three people walked into the
sphere and their fears manifested into reality... Well the truth is...
We've all walked into the sphere... It's called Earth!!!
Collectively all of our fears are manifesting into reality
so be thankful there are still God Fearing People in this world (Sphere).


Remember what David Icke said: Everything is Backwards.

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down.
Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds,
scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information,
religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom."

you know what else is backwards in this world... To Fear God is to Love God.



I wish I could some how illustrate this revelation to you

I've been trying to do it in this recent thread I made:

www.abovetopsecret.com...





So my question is this: What happens when everybody is afraid that the world will come to an end?

I'll tell you what will happen: Our Fears will manifest into this:





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Basically you are right, but your conclusion is backasswards.

The only way to god is to not fear.

Information is useless if you don`t understand it.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by truthseeker84
What would happen, if every single person on this planet, I'm talking about the entire human race, all stopped and thought of one thing in their mind, simultaneously at the same time?

So, I guess it's safe to ask in this thread...

Can the collective thought/brain power, of the entire human species, warp reality?

Hard to say, because you can never achieve it. There is no way you can get every single human on planet Earth to think about 1 thing at the same time. So we would never know


Ummmm.....We're all "entangled", on a subconscious level, dreaming the world into "reality".........Therefore it's possible to "consciously" transform reality to shape our desires as well. The process remains the same, however it would require a constant conscious committment of envisioning, untill our subconscious was convinced that the "new" reality was in fact "the" reality..........

YouSir


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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by blackcube
reply to post by NewAgeMan
 


I don't know where you got this definition of faith


It was St. Paul's own definition of faith.

Faith in this way may be understood as a defiance of the world as it is (and is not as good) in favor of taking a stand for and in the world as it ought to be (or better than), and as such it's faith in better things as yet unseen.

It is a type of power, as in faith the size of a tiny mustard seed capable of moving a mountain of historical causation. It's synonymous with optimism.

To be the eternal optimist, is to be a person of great faith.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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The very usage of the words "God" and "the Devil" PROVE, better than anything else, how humanity hasn't progressed NEARLY enough since Biblical times. Such primitive terms of superstition are THE biggest indicators of a fear-driven slave race, however nearly universally denied and ignored that inescapable fact is.

EVERYTHING, and everyONE in the universe-multiverse is SCIENCE, including and especially the unexplained, undefined. There are really no such things as the "paranormal" and "supernatural." Wouldn't it be beyond magnificent if the skin apes on this planet - not to insult actual apes - could realize that most basic truth? I'm not referring to the ENTIRE human race as "skin apes," but definitely the clear, if not vast, majority.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Science is just a model, an approximation, a convention. For every "truth" discovered by the scientific method, there is a corresponding bifurcation of limitless hypothesis. It should not hold the highest rung in our pursuit of truth, which to be a known truth, must be apprehended by experience. The truth for man can never be separate from man.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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I agree with you, but not on one point:


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
never underestimate what the power of Fear can manifest it's self into.
The Devil Knows this. TPTB know this. this is why God wants you to fear him and nothing else.


You then state this:


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
so be thankful there are still God Fearing People in this world (Sphere).


So, you say that fear is the problem, but fear is good when fearing God?

Problem is, God does not want you to fear.

Fear is deception, a false truth. Only one entity that I know of that is master of this.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Not that any of you will care... I wish I was able to broadcast this on
youtube or something. My research is now complete

The Truth is... it all comes down to FEAR.

never underestimate what the power of Fear can manifest it's self into.
The Devil Knows this. TPTB know this. this is why God wants you to fear him and nothing else.

Now I believe that the Illuminati have their hands on damn near everything.
Banks, Governments, The Media... most of us can agree on this...
the one industry they also own (that is commonly dismissed) is Hollywood.

The Freemasons obviously have their signs & symbols all over most big budget films...
So just like any other mason in the old days... they leave their secrets within their architecture.
This is how they"hide it in plain site" so to speak.... whatever craft they specialize in, weather it's
"building pyramids" or "directing movies"... they always leave their secrets within their architecture.

So what piece of "architecture" would I lie to examine today?
What film could possibly have a big secret to reveal?

The 1998 film Sphere:

www.imdb.com...

which got a 5.7 out of 10 on IMDB.

written by Michael Crichton, directed by Berry Levinson
(he has a very suspect resume... Wag the Dog & Sleepers)





Let me speed this up and get to my point: in the movie three people walked into the
sphere and their fears manifested into reality... Well the truth is...
We've all walked into the sphere... It's called Earth!!!
Collectively all of our fears are manifesting into reality
so be thankful there are still God Fearing People in this world (Sphere).


Remember what David Icke said: Everything is Backwards.

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down.
Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds,
scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information,
religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom."

you know what else is backwards in this world... To Fear God is to Love God.



I wish I could some how illustrate this revelation to you

I've been trying to do it in this recent thread I made:

www.abovetopsecret.com...





So my question is this: What happens when everybody is afraid that the world will come to an end?

I'll tell you what will happen: Our Fears will manifest into this:





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Your research is now complete ?, are you serious with this crap ?

Fear is simply a tool used for enslavement and manipulation, its been used by Kings, Rulers, Dictators, Leaders, Governments, Partys, since the dawn of time.

Thats why you should be very cautious whenever information is released to the public with specific intention of creating fear, a point that it has to be said a large number of ATS members simply dont seem to understand.

Ask yourself one question, or rather two -

Why do men drive fast cars, placing the lives of both them and others in danger ?

Why do men ride fast motorbikes, placing the lives of both them and others in danger ?

The answer to that has been known for a very long time, it relates to human nature, and derives from evolution.

Human beings need Fear, it relates back to the start of human evolution, when Man was not far removed from a simple ape, living in caves, a simple hunter gatherer, fear was a simple human emotion that kept him alive, the ability to perceive danger and adjust ones actions accordingly, without fear all species would perish.

Without Fear, humans cease to funtion properly.

This creates a problem in the mordern world, we have removed all the basic dangers of existence, ie we live in our safe and sheltered enviroments, encountering very little danger in our day to day lives.

So we take risks, sometimes big risks, we place ourselfs in danger, we create fear, and we do it without even understanding why we are doing it.

Something to think about the next time your Government is scare mongering, or your boss is scare mongering, or your reading the latest "omfg the worlds gonna end on blah blah, insert date here" on ATS.

See, your not the only one who can post complete crap.

Regards



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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What qualifies as "scientific method" TODAY could easily be amended in the future, and I believe it will be. Real science is NOT the reactionary attitude of "if you can't attach electrodes to it and watch it squirm, it doesn't exist."



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Here's the truth, listen in on an interview with Gerald Celente, he tells it like it is.

Gerald Celente talks to Lew Rockwell about current and future troubles, and gold, guns and getaway plans.
www.lewrockwell.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by blackcube
reply to post by NewAgeMan
 


I don't know where you got this definition of faith


It was St. Paul's own definition of faith.

Faith in this way may be understood as a defiance of the world as it is (and is not as good) in favor of taking a stand for and in the world as it ought to be (or better than), and as such it's faith in better things as yet unseen.

It is a type of power, as in faith the size of a tiny mustard seed capable of moving a mountain of historical causation. It's synonymous with optimism.

To be the eternal optimist, is to be a person of great faith.


Ummm.........If I may.........faith is also Gnosis, or knowledge. By this I dont mean learned knowing, or experiantial wisdom. Faith is knowledge that does not come from perception, but by belief.........
Faith replaces doubt, replaces unsurity, replaces the "I think perhaps", in essence faith is the evolution of belief.
A knowing that required one to "be still and know", a meditative affirmation that replaces thought with spirit. The exudation of faith is peace joy and love, that indeed "flow like the river". These are the "gifts", the responsibilities
are "All of these and more, ye shall do".........it's a job, a career, and the pay is in peace, in joy, and ever-abundant.......love.........

Just sayin

YouSir



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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bashar explains it best..
www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Not that any of you will care...
Any of you implies all of you.
You shouldn't be SO pessimistic in your approach.


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029The Devil Knows.

in order for something to know something it has to exist.

Both God and the "Devil" coexist inside of each and every one of us.
The Devil does not tempt us. WE tempt ourselves and CHOOSE to fall
victim to pettiness and worldly wants.

Conversely, God does not give us salvation.
WE, by our thoughts, actions and choices co-create our path. No matter good nor bad.


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029The one industry they also own (that is commonly dismissed) is Hollywood.


In order for porn, Hollywood, sports cars, mansions, Rolex watches or any other thing
we (the masses) consider as important to have any sort of hold or meaning...WE have to CHOOSE to WANT them.

It's much much easier to B-lame the Devil than it is to look in that proverbial mirror and
take responsibility and to be held accountable for YOUR own actions.


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029We've all walked into the sphere... It's called Earth!!!
Collectively all of our fears are manifesting into reality
so be thankful there are still God Fearing People in this world (Sphere).


I find your analogy flawed.
Those in that video willfully chose to enter the sphere.
WE did not. Not a single one of us CHOSE to. We were forced to enter the world.

I have an issue with your comment pertaining to "God."
What does it mean to be God fearing? Where did this term derive?

The bible? Religion doctrines? I'd like to know.


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029Remember what David Icke said: Everything is Backwards.

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down.
Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds,
scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information,
religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom."


I've got bad news for you. Everything is not backwards. Why?
I know personally doctors, lawyers and psychiatrists who actually studied to HELP
people. Does this mean they all help? No. Your generalizations are demeaning to a vast number of professionals just to prove or make a point someone else had made.

Alternative news is too, 'media.' Does it also destroy information?
Religion: does not destroy spirituality entirely.

Just the same: laws do not destroy civility nor obedience to respect other people's properties, rights, liberties, freedoms and privacy. Abusive and subtefuge-esque by laws DO.

Abuse is what is wrong with systems that are designed to work, not the system itself.
Being incorruptible is NOT a trait common amongst "officials."


Originally posted by Doomsday 2029you know what else is backwards in this world... To Fear God is to Love God.


Please take a moment and answer me this question:

Why and how is it that I am:
not a religious person, not a "God fearing" person, do NOT ascribe my:

-spiritual enlightenment
-consciously aware self
-unconditional loving, selflessness, humility, compassion, empathy....

To: GOD? Yet how can this be if I am not God Fearing ____________-. (Christian?)

Is this blasphemy?
Is it sacrilege?

All that I have attained intellectually, mentally, physically, meta-physically and spiritually
was not given to me by God. *I* did it all via my own volition, due diligence and applied knowledge gained from experiences throughout my life.

How can it be that I do not lie? (without God/the bible being the central piece in my life?)

I'd genuinely like to know the answer(s) to these questions posed, please.


Your last point is true.
What is thought and projected outward has a tendency to affect
people -which manifests itself as detrimental and physical damage -limitless in nature.

Sadly most people do not know that the same can be said for:
positive thinking, courage and knowing yourself.









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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Yes, you "grok".

I've heard that courage isn't the absence of fear, but the absence of self. However the absence of self, is the absense of fear. Faith then is a type of spiritual fearlessness capable of moving people and history in a better direction, in alignment with the goodness of God and of God's creation.

People are either patterned as info philic or info phobic, meaning they intuit the world around them as either friendly and available for further inquiry, or unfriendly, and inhospitable, and therefore something to be feared. Fortunately, this patterning can be altered, based on an inquiry into the "truth", which reveals that the creation is good, and that therefore God is good, which is really a big time relief, and something that can only bolster our courage in the face of advertsity, in the pursuit of excellence, of the very best. There is no confusion inherent in this POV and creative pursuit, only clarity of mind and purpose, which brings yes, peace, joy, love and all the fruits of the spirit.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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I remember enjoying the movie "Sphere" until all of the madness began. Up until that point, it was very tantilizing and engaging. It's like the movie with Sam Neil, "Event Horizon." At the time I just chalked them up to Hollywood writers coming up with a great idea and then not knowing how to end a movie, so they just copped-out and wrote, "Everyone goes insane and everyone dies."

Now, it makes more sense. What the movies are telling us, as in the Star Trek (classic) episode where they beam down to a world where their thoughts are manifest, is that focus determines reality, our thoughts can become reality. And, as has been pointed out, there is a lot of fear out there. And, fear probably manifests very powerfully because fear is easy. Lucas warns us of this in Star Wars. The dark side is seductive. It is easier to destroy than to create. Frank Herbert warns of this in Dune, "Fear is the mind killer."

Keep people afraid and they will not become too thoughtful. TPTB don't want people at their best. They want people stunned and productive, docile and obedient within the parameters they've designed. Perhaps one of the biggest insights into the potential of the human mind and spirit is that our thoughts can change the ourselves, our lives, our world. In quantum physics, the mere act of observation changes the outcome of experiments. Perhaps there is truth to this on the macro level as well as the sub-atomic. Maybe this is one of the biggest secrets in the world...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Not that any of you will care... I wish I was able to broadcast this on
youtube or something. My research is now complete

The Truth is... it all comes down to FEAR.

never underestimate what the power of Fear can manifest it's self into.
The Devil Knows this. TPTB know this. this is why God wants you to fear him and nothing else.


Truth is relevant and relative to consciousness...
Fear is the reaction of the consciousness foci, or “self”, to the possibility of convergence with the “One”, or the “None”.
It does not all come down to Fear...
Fear is but one half of a multitude of polarized “handles/catalysts” we have in life that can consciously or unconsciously change/alter our environment.
It is, to put it simply, one of many colors placed upon our pallet, as we learn the lessons of creation.

When Churchill said, “There is nothing to fear but fear itself.” I think he meant “uncontrolled” fear.
Controlled fear is a powerful force in our species...

Let us also ponder this:
Our fears are directly proportionate to the gravity of our Love for a given thing...
“If you Love your Life, you will fear your Death.”
“If you Love your children, you will Fear for their safety.”
“If you Love your Parent(s), you will Fear their wrath at your inequities.”



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by kevinunknown
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If this thread demonstrates anything, it’s the danger of conspiracies and how they bread ignorance. Read what you have said to anyone who reads mainstream media, is remotely intelligent and willing to listen and they will probably tell you that you’re crazy. Guess what, they’d be right, this is totally nuts it is a perfect example of what happens when you take conspiracies to the extreme and mix in some religion. It creates this type of alternative reality that is only real to you, for everyone else looking in your absolute crazy, much a like a schizophrenics mindset.

Nothing you have wrote is true, there is not one word of truth in this entire thread it’s just a mush of ignorant conspiracies all mashed in together with a pinch of your own paranoid believes to articulate your delusional reality. You have became so consumed by the massive internet ignorance machine that you probably actually believe what you have wrote, you really do believe that you have “discovered the truth”. You’ve not, you’ve only discovered that you need to stay away from the internet for a few moths and re-engage yourself with reality. I don’t know how you can tell when you’re having a crazy dream and when your awake.

I don’t blame you, I blame people like David Icke who are making money out of what in your case probably is a psychotic illness. I blame members of this website for entertaining your delusions of grandeur and fantasy.

I hope one day you see the light and join the rest of us here on Earth (not a sphere) and recognise the difference between sensationalist fiction and reality.


And you my friend make your avatar fit you.
Are you scared?
It seems so.
Be nice.. cus everything comes back at you. Remember that.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Not true. Karma doesn't work for those who do not believe in it.
Just because you may have gotten butthurt over someone's action(s) doesn't mean
"they will get theirs" so that your retribution is consummated or validated to even the score.
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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no my buddy ..the twuth ith.. the moon has been inhabited for at least 4 million years and we
humans are nothing but annoying fungus ..end see my moonvids and see how many zilliions
of deeply uncaring and probably very peckish Et's there are ...
here... nebbish
youtube.com...
the truth ot a fairly close facimile here...
www.1minpages.com... ////now for internet 2.0 no porn spam or commerce and Ipv6 yayayaayayaya





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