China has upped the ante so to speak with thier announcment of the "new sub" that has been the topic of discussion in various threads. IMHO, since Taiwan does not have a credible sub force (2 diesel/electrics, and 2 "Guppy" subs from the late 40's early 50's) should we sell them some surplus SSN's to allow some measure of parity?

All of the Sturgeon class subs have been decommissioned. Assuming they are not all razor blades by now, why not allow Taiwan to purchase several for homeland defence? The Short hull sturgeons were suppposed to do well in shallow/littoral waters. this is assuming that they can be refulled and made safe etc. The benifit is that if they are captured, they are clearly 3rd gen sub technology and we would not loose alot in that scenario.

The early Loas Angles class subs may also be a canidate, although they are better suited for blue water operations. Already 11 of the non-VLS 688 have been decomissioned and could be sold for defensive purposes.

Politically it's not a problem, but Taiwanis famous by copyiing imported military tech and than exporting it. But I don't think they will make it with submarines, so they could recieve some. But Taiwan is looking for diesels or AIP not for nuclear subs.

Yeah, they don't need global range so diesel-electric subs would work well.
But couple SSNs wouldn't make things worse.

Taiwan doesn't need nuclear subs like you said the ones they have now are fine plus the US subs would take care of the sea Taiwan can worry about other thing.

you know if i was taiwan i would want no other country gaurding my seas or land IF i could help it.
i mean it's like asking canada to gaurd US airspace for a few days theres no problem but doesnt make the US military feel good etheir,and if any one says "oh this will never happen" then your right cause it wont i was using it as a hypatheical exsample.

I wouldn't trust Canada to guard our airspace only because they have a very small airforce. But I would trust them if they had stuff other than just F-18s. But I don't think Taiwan needs nuclear power. If they need to be protected by nukes let the US operate them since were the ones supplying the stuff. I think that diesel-electric are just as good for defensive operations.

Hey devil put yourself in Taiwan's shoes you are a small nation and you have the worlds only superpower and the worlds strongest and most advanced military offering help you wouldn't take it? Canada could never monitor a country as big as the US cuz they don't have the means but the US can watch Taiwanese seas with no problem.


[edit on 23-7-2004 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Hey devil put yourself in Taiwan's shoes you are a small nation and you have the worlds only superpower and the worlds strongest and most advanced military offering help you wouldn't take it? Canada could never monitor a country as big as the US cuz they don't have the means but the Only superpower in the world can watch Taiwanese seas with no problem.

yeah like they trust anyone.
if i was in taiwans shoes i wouldnt trust ANY country super power or not.
and for christ sake westpoint i meant it as an exsample of how you wouldnt like having another country gaurd you !
also your a super power big deal ,good job! now would you kindly get your patriotic sh** in order and think seriosly here.

What’s your problem im just telling it like it is and no I would not trust any country with US protection but if we had no choice either get invaded by china or take someone's help the choice id pretty clear. And its sad that you are pissed about the US being the only superpower

Originally posted by WestPoint23
What’s your problem im just telling it like it is and no I would not trust any country with US protection but if we had no choice either get invaded by china or take someone's help the choice id pretty clear. And its sad that you are pissed about the US being the only superpower

Who better to have on your side, other than the most powerful Nation on earth?

I would much rather sell them weapons to protect themselves than to send my sons over there to do it for them. Properly armed they would be a formidable foe.


The dragon would choke on its prey.....LOL

why do you all hate china?
really?
i dont like the many americans that think the US is stil a superpower,frankly that died at the end of the cold war.
youv gone down in numbers and in drive to invent things, now all you are is a big country.
also you are not the most powerful nation on earth. switzerland on the other has the power to stop all moeny in the world pretty much.

I dont hate China

What I said was what I meant

I would rather sell them weapons than fight for them.


I think any group has a right to there own independince

Including Tiwian, Scotland, The Southern states here, etc.

i would not get started on the scotland independance thing.....tends to lead to major arguments and insults its just goes into a vad cycle.

Originally posted by devilwasp
i would not get started on the scotland independance thing.....tends to lead to major arguments and insults its just goes into a vad cycle.

Same with the Southern Independince thing here, But I am still for any groups freedom that want it, as I said in another post to me it would be like making a woman stay in an abusive marrige.

If enough people want to be sepperated from whichever country they should be allowed to do it.

It doesnt take a civil war a vote would do.

heh
dont think its that easy mate it aint.
frankly if they show to the world thier letting u win then they look weak and they can stop you from getting independance.

I know it aint that easy thats why you sell them the weapons.


Its up to them to decide if its worth it.

Originally posted by E_T
Yeah, they don't need global range so diesel-electric subs would work well.
But couple SSNs wouldn't make things worse.

Good point, I did not think about the global projection thing. But, could diesel electrics be rady to go in a short time frame. I looked at my copy of Janes all the worlds ships, and most countries do not have a reserve fleet of conv. subs to give up. The Russians are out of the question. They sell alot of stuff to China...

i dont like the many americans that think the US is stil a superpower,frankly that died at the end of the cold war.
youv gone down in numbers and in drive to invent things, now all you are is a big country.
also you are not the most powerful nation on earth.

Keep thinking that devil we own the skies and we own the land we own the waters and soon our lasers in space will give us space to plus we have gone down in numbers? also we don't invent as many new things what are you talking about the US is the leader in inventing new military weapons and technology need I give you a list of things we have invented since 1991 and new technologies we are working on now?

yeah u own the land that you baught from the indains with some shiny objects.
also i doubt u own the land considering you only specialise in tanks.
also you only own the skies because russia ran outa money.
you dont own the seas you think you do but you dont.
your marvalous sub nets dont work well against the same or better tech.

[edit on 19/07/04 by devilwasp]