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Found this link:
www.debtbombshell.com...
The current debt of UK is exceeding 900 billion. The debt in 2007 was just about 500 billion. So the debt nearly doubled in a few years!
Another country - mine (Romania) - The debt is increasing too, nearly doubling since 2007.
All the planet is deeply in debt! Governments borrow more and more , yet they increase taxes and make cuts everywhere! In Romania, all the public sector workers got a 25 % cut last year! Pensions got cuts, social services got cuts, VAT increased several percentages! In UK - same problem.My wonder is - where in the world are the money coming from? Who could be that rich to provide new debts for all the planet ( about 58 trillions last time I checked ) ? Where did the 400 billions (increased debt) come from, and where did it go?
I found out more about the UK debt:
www.debtbombshell.com...
www.debtbombshell.com...
The current debt of UK is exceeding 900 billion. The debt in 2007 was just about 500 billion. So the debt nearly doubled in a few years!
Another country - mine (Romania) - The debt is increasing too, nearly doubling since 2007.
All the planet is deeply in debt! Governments borrow more and more , yet they increase taxes and make cuts everywhere! In Romania, all the public sector workers got a 25 % cut last year! Pensions got cuts, social services got cuts, VAT increased several percentages! In UK - same problem.My wonder is - where in the world are the money coming from? Who could be that rich to provide new debts for all the planet ( about 58 trillions last time I checked ) ? Where did the 400 billions (increased debt) come from, and where did it go?
I found out more about the UK debt:
www.debtbombshell.com...
edit on 26-3-2011 by Romanian because: (no reason given)
reply to post by DSSONE
you actually think that people are out there to feel vindicated ....or that because some Union lobbyists organized it all these people backed it up.....there were people from all aspects of life out there...I saw the guy from time team out there....
This may have started as a TUC demonstration but it is much more than that it is people who are ANGRY because they are struggling to make Ends meet and they are watching as they are working each and everyday only to get further and further into debt and not able to support their families....losing their livelyhoods and loosing their homes...and then to only be kicked again when there are not benefits for them to rely on that they themselves have spent years and years paying into and losing their pensions in which many people had hope and thought they were doing the right thing so they had something to fall back on in the future.
I speak as a nuetral on this as i have signed a document when i immigrated here saying i would not turn to the state for anything....i do not say these things for myself as i have the ability to to work and have the ability to make ends meet but i say this for all the English friends and family i have come to know and love.....and coming from a country which has the same systems in place.....The people require work, and in order to work,,,,there needs to be Jobs, then if there are jobs then spending will increase.....You see you thiink i am a sheep....I know what is going on.....Recession is created by the Rich....the recession creates unemployment...And you may ask why would Unemployment be a good thing....Unemployment is Created for one thing and one thing alone......to FILL THE WAR MACHINE.
So look back in history.......ww1 huge recession.......WAR......WW11 huge Recession.....WAR
So am i being a sheep here...ask yourself how this new Engagement in the ME is going to move forward.....Think hard will you.
you actually think that people are out there to feel vindicated ....or that because some Union lobbyists organized it all these people backed it up.....there were people from all aspects of life out there...I saw the guy from time team out there....
This may have started as a TUC demonstration but it is much more than that it is people who are ANGRY because they are struggling to make Ends meet and they are watching as they are working each and everyday only to get further and further into debt and not able to support their families....losing their livelyhoods and loosing their homes...and then to only be kicked again when there are not benefits for them to rely on that they themselves have spent years and years paying into and losing their pensions in which many people had hope and thought they were doing the right thing so they had something to fall back on in the future.
I speak as a nuetral on this as i have signed a document when i immigrated here saying i would not turn to the state for anything....i do not say these things for myself as i have the ability to to work and have the ability to make ends meet but i say this for all the English friends and family i have come to know and love.....and coming from a country which has the same systems in place.....The people require work, and in order to work,,,,there needs to be Jobs, then if there are jobs then spending will increase.....You see you thiink i am a sheep....I know what is going on.....Recession is created by the Rich....the recession creates unemployment...And you may ask why would Unemployment be a good thing....Unemployment is Created for one thing and one thing alone......to FILL THE WAR MACHINE.
So look back in history.......ww1 huge recession.......WAR......WW11 huge Recession.....WAR
So am i being a sheep here...ask yourself how this new Engagement in the ME is going to move forward.....Think hard will you.
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Originally posted by plube
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losing their livelyhoods and loosing their homes...and then to only be kicked again when there are not benefits for them to rely on that they themselves have spent years and years paying into and losing their pensions in which many people had hope and thought they were oing the right thing so they had something to fall back on in the future. (no reason given)
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And this is my point exactly. In order to remain in power for one more term, the last Labour goverment (totally absent of any morals, in my own personal opinion), mortgaged the future of the country (ie. where we are now) in an attempt to win a further election. The only people to blame for the situation those people you describe find themselves in is the last Labour govt. So, it kinda figures I'm not going to go out on a protest that those muppets have arranged.
Really, last post. Will go talk to a wall, it's more interesting (joke)
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FYI: Liberating inanimate objects is not violence... neither is self defense against pigs.
reply to post by PinkAndBlack
I wondered when some backward anarchist retard would butt in with some pathetic little comment. These people were discussing a subject in the way adults do and you have to come in here and spoil it. You can go and crawl back under your little rock now.
I wondered when some backward anarchist retard would butt in with some pathetic little comment. These people were discussing a subject in the way adults do and you have to come in here and spoil it. You can go and crawl back under your little rock now.
reply to post by DSSONE
Indeed. Since 1997, Labour doubled the size of the Civil service and mananged to turn a multi-billion £ budget surplus into a record deficit inside of a decade, with no apreciable increse in levels of service.
From their own mouths, Labour practiced a policy of social engineering with a multi-pronged approach, namely immigration and creation of client voters (Government workers and the "benefit class").
The Government needs to get more efficient, as to be honest a civil servant wouldn't know a hard days work if it smacked him in the mouth and this was needed long before the recession kicked in. It is NOT SUSTAINABLE for nearly 50% of GDP to come from Government spending, as it was when Labour were evicted last year. It is also worth noting that Labour have a 0% success rate at pulling the UK out of Historic recessions, but a pretty good track record at putting us in them.
What people, like these Public Sector Workers, don't seem to understand is that continuing to spend like there isn't a recession just to maintain "jobs" will only end up with us going the way of Ireland or Greece, our credit rating downgrading and debt payments balloning as interest rates rise. This will hit growth even harder, cause more unemployment and send the economy into a tail-spin.
It is also interesting to note that all the councils proposing cuts to their workforce are Labour run. Politicking much? My local council, Topry run btw, is not sacking anyone, is maintiaing the level of service we currently have (we even have bin collections EVERY week still) and has even kept Council Tax rates at 2009/10 levels with no increase whatsoever.
This is all a very well managed attempt by Labour and their Union Allies (the ones who put Millband the Younger in power despite the Elder one getting more votes) to demonise the Government and it's very sensible and professionally hailed deficit reduction plan. It remains to be seen if thse massive Job losses the Unions have been promising will happen ever appear and I doubt they will.
A recent report on unemployment showed that the losses in Public jobs was offset by job creation in the private sector, as predicted by the Chancellor.
Millband and Balls, however, keep telling us these efforts won't work but offer NTOHING as an alternative. It's easy to be in opposition.
Indeed. Since 1997, Labour doubled the size of the Civil service and mananged to turn a multi-billion £ budget surplus into a record deficit inside of a decade, with no apreciable increse in levels of service.
From their own mouths, Labour practiced a policy of social engineering with a multi-pronged approach, namely immigration and creation of client voters (Government workers and the "benefit class").
The Government needs to get more efficient, as to be honest a civil servant wouldn't know a hard days work if it smacked him in the mouth and this was needed long before the recession kicked in. It is NOT SUSTAINABLE for nearly 50% of GDP to come from Government spending, as it was when Labour were evicted last year. It is also worth noting that Labour have a 0% success rate at pulling the UK out of Historic recessions, but a pretty good track record at putting us in them.
What people, like these Public Sector Workers, don't seem to understand is that continuing to spend like there isn't a recession just to maintain "jobs" will only end up with us going the way of Ireland or Greece, our credit rating downgrading and debt payments balloning as interest rates rise. This will hit growth even harder, cause more unemployment and send the economy into a tail-spin.
It is also interesting to note that all the councils proposing cuts to their workforce are Labour run. Politicking much? My local council, Topry run btw, is not sacking anyone, is maintiaing the level of service we currently have (we even have bin collections EVERY week still) and has even kept Council Tax rates at 2009/10 levels with no increase whatsoever.
This is all a very well managed attempt by Labour and their Union Allies (the ones who put Millband the Younger in power despite the Elder one getting more votes) to demonise the Government and it's very sensible and professionally hailed deficit reduction plan. It remains to be seen if thse massive Job losses the Unions have been promising will happen ever appear and I doubt they will.
A recent report on unemployment showed that the losses in Public jobs was offset by job creation in the private sector, as predicted by the Chancellor.
Millband and Balls, however, keep telling us these efforts won't work but offer NTOHING as an alternative. It's easy to be in opposition.
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I find it easy to make a fool of myself PinkandBlack. Did you find it easy? Or was it just a teeeeny little bit difficult for you? Of course the more often you do it the easier it becomes. Doesn`t it?
I find it easy to make a fool of myself PinkandBlack. Did you find it easy? Or was it just a teeeeny little bit difficult for you? Of course the more often you do it the easier it becomes. Doesn`t it?
reply to post by stumason
I need to ask you a question....does bailing out the banks have absolutely nothing to do with the rising deficit....i mean i did not Vote labour last session because they were getting involved in wars that had nothing to do with justice...just as now the coalition have donre the same thing under the guise of protecting human beings when we all know it is to do with oil interests in Libya.
now i too have seen some of your posts...and i am not sure but from what i gather you do not like social systems that help people in need....but these same systems keep people from starving and give them some kind of dignity where they might have a roof over their heads.
Yes there are a few that are irresponsible and a few whom abuse the system ...just as a lot of the Rich abuse the tax system and use their wealth to get away with not paying their fair share....and if you think for one second this does not happen then i would be suprised.
I am an immigrant to England...I am not allowed to claim any benefits....(which does not bother me)but i am from Canada a country that has similar welfare systems in place and believe me i am glad they are there for the public and am glad to pay taxes so that all can benefit when times get tough...Well times are tough and it is just times like this when the systems should be in place for.
You will see rising anger and you will see more and more people getting involved in protests throughout the country....Just as i have stated before and many experts also say...CUTTING during recessions only worsen the recession so if this is what one would prefer so be it.
I came to England with £100 in my pocket and i am now in the process of puchasing my second house....just over 7yrs and i would not ever begrudge anyone access to social systems....and i for one am glad to know that people can be taken care of.....So to finish i would say i could care less about labour or the lib dems or the Conservatives...but i do care about the welfare of people from all woks of life and i do believe in socialism and i do believe in people helping out the masses....I do not condone free rides...but i do condone Healthcare,benefits and pensions and social housing for people who have served their time in the labour market.
I do not condone greed or people being egotisical because they have and they think they are better than someone else who does not have.
The royals are not special because they were born into something...they are just human beings....I do not condone people who think they are better than anyone else because financial status.
the Cutbacks are not all Labours fault there is a global recession ....what is Labours fault is not planning for the future and not realising that with goodtimes comes badtimes and not preparing for it.
Now Labour bailed out the banks and personally I think that they should have just let them fail.....
I did not see them bailing out small business...which employs a huge portion of the population.
I need to ask you a question....does bailing out the banks have absolutely nothing to do with the rising deficit....i mean i did not Vote labour last session because they were getting involved in wars that had nothing to do with justice...just as now the coalition have donre the same thing under the guise of protecting human beings when we all know it is to do with oil interests in Libya.
now i too have seen some of your posts...and i am not sure but from what i gather you do not like social systems that help people in need....but these same systems keep people from starving and give them some kind of dignity where they might have a roof over their heads.
Yes there are a few that are irresponsible and a few whom abuse the system ...just as a lot of the Rich abuse the tax system and use their wealth to get away with not paying their fair share....and if you think for one second this does not happen then i would be suprised.
I am an immigrant to England...I am not allowed to claim any benefits....(which does not bother me)but i am from Canada a country that has similar welfare systems in place and believe me i am glad they are there for the public and am glad to pay taxes so that all can benefit when times get tough...Well times are tough and it is just times like this when the systems should be in place for.
You will see rising anger and you will see more and more people getting involved in protests throughout the country....Just as i have stated before and many experts also say...CUTTING during recessions only worsen the recession so if this is what one would prefer so be it.
I came to England with £100 in my pocket and i am now in the process of puchasing my second house....just over 7yrs and i would not ever begrudge anyone access to social systems....and i for one am glad to know that people can be taken care of.....So to finish i would say i could care less about labour or the lib dems or the Conservatives...but i do care about the welfare of people from all woks of life and i do believe in socialism and i do believe in people helping out the masses....I do not condone free rides...but i do condone Healthcare,benefits and pensions and social housing for people who have served their time in the labour market.
I do not condone greed or people being egotisical because they have and they think they are better than someone else who does not have.
The royals are not special because they were born into something...they are just human beings....I do not condone people who think they are better than anyone else because financial status.
the Cutbacks are not all Labours fault there is a global recession ....what is Labours fault is not planning for the future and not realising that with goodtimes comes badtimes and not preparing for it.
Now Labour bailed out the banks and personally I think that they should have just let them fail.....
I did not see them bailing out small business...which employs a huge portion of the population.
Originally posted by wcitizen
I'm sure it was more than 250.000 - and I would estimate more than 500,000 - I was told at least 750.000 by one of the stewards.
In any case, here's a pic of the peacful part:
On another forum, someone did the math, and said the news was downplaying the amount. This many people stretched for the number of miles given, was between 2-3 million protestors. And they gave varying smaller amounts on the news.
This is a wonderful thing, that they are doing.
Originally posted by Romanian
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
great observation! I do not agree on associating the word "anarchism" with "vandalism" . Anarchism is simply a way of management, where instead of one leader or minority managing the society, you have a greater level of self-management on the individual level. Pure anarchism does not exist, as pure capitalism or communism does not exist.
Your full of #.
Ok now everyone go watch Tim Lehays Left Behind trailer and I sware its a copy of the world we have today without the Rapture, Yet.
This world is getting out of control and Guess who will pop his two horned head up now?
The Anti-Christ!!!! Obama, after he is brought back from the dead AKA a snipers bullet or something like that.
If Obama is not the Anti-Christ I will personally apologize to him but he probably is.
This world is getting out of control and Guess who will pop his two horned head up now?
The Anti-Christ!!!! Obama, after he is brought back from the dead AKA a snipers bullet or something like that.
If Obama is not the Anti-Christ I will personally apologize to him but he probably is.
With respect to the OP what on earth did you quote from the Daily Hate for?
I mean they are so right wing that they make the US Republican party look moderate
I mean they are so right wing that they make the US Republican party look moderate
reply to post by freethinker123
LOL your absolutely right about the daily hate but it was not with respect to them why i quoted from them....they just happened to have the latest update....and they went way over the top using the term anarchist for a few who broke off from the main group of several hundred protesters.
The point of the story is to show the actual anger in government whom the public pay taxes to and they just take from the people to bail out their rich lobbyist friends out in the Capitalist world and blame the por for using the systems that the rich too use all the time as they too get free health care and use the same roads and use the services when they can.
Is life fair.....nope and is it supposed to be fair in this dog eat dog world world....nope.
But can we (The People) be blamed for responding when we are being ripped off and punished when our governments drag us into wars and spend our hard earned monies on rich bankers and suppporting their oil interests in countries undeer the guise of false flag OPS and protecting the Civilian population when we know it is not about the civilians cause where were they in Darfor....Or Somalia....hmmmm i guess there wasn't a Profit to made out of those crisis.
I was raised in a fantastic country and it is sad when they get involved in wars that are only for the gain of profits because the Capitalist companies are the targets.
Like the big question being asked ....is when the Rebels of Libya start to kill the civilians in Tripoli do the Nato forces start to attacj them ....I think Not.
LOL your absolutely right about the daily hate but it was not with respect to them why i quoted from them....they just happened to have the latest update....and they went way over the top using the term anarchist for a few who broke off from the main group of several hundred protesters.
The point of the story is to show the actual anger in government whom the public pay taxes to and they just take from the people to bail out their rich lobbyist friends out in the Capitalist world and blame the por for using the systems that the rich too use all the time as they too get free health care and use the same roads and use the services when they can.
Is life fair.....nope and is it supposed to be fair in this dog eat dog world world....nope.
But can we (The People) be blamed for responding when we are being ripped off and punished when our governments drag us into wars and spend our hard earned monies on rich bankers and suppporting their oil interests in countries undeer the guise of false flag OPS and protecting the Civilian population when we know it is not about the civilians cause where were they in Darfor....Or Somalia....hmmmm i guess there wasn't a Profit to made out of those crisis.
I was raised in a fantastic country and it is sad when they get involved in wars that are only for the gain of profits because the Capitalist companies are the targets.
Like the big question being asked ....is when the Rebels of Libya start to kill the civilians in Tripoli do the Nato forces start to attacj them ....I think Not.
Originally posted by Unity_99
Originally posted by wcitizen
I'm sure it was more than 250.000 - and I would estimate more than 500,000 - I was told at least 750.000 by one of the stewards.
In any case, here's a pic of the peacful part:
On another forum, someone did the math, and said the news was downplaying the amount. This many people stretched for the number of miles given, was between 2-3 million protestors. And they gave varying smaller amounts on the news.
This is a wonderful thing, that they are doing.
err do you realise how much that would be as a percentage of population , the roads into london would have been static for hundreds of miles, in fact all it would take is the acruall amount of protestorsd(say 500,000 ) to take to cars and create gridlock in the capital for a day , just turn them of and stay in them , as does loads of aggro, and you could tie it in with global concerns of co2 or congestion or whatever.....be quite ironic though.
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How can they be anarchists if what got them upset was the government cutting back?
Are they big government anarchists? Is there such a thing? Or is "anarchist" just the generic UK term for angry rioting kid?
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Are they big government anarchists? Is there such a thing? Or is "anarchist" just the generic UK term for angry rioting kid?
Originally posted by Unity_99
Originally posted by wcitizen
I'm sure it was more than 250.000 - and I would estimate more than 500,000 - I was told at least 750.000 by one of the stewards.
In any case, here's a pic of the peacful part:
On another forum, someone did the math, and said the news was downplaying the amount. This many people stretched for the number of miles given, was between 2-3 million protestors. And they gave varying smaller amounts on the news.
This is a wonderful thing, that they are doing.
Unity, yes, the number was grossly understated. You can see how many people there are in the photo - well, imagine if you stood at a point on that street and watched the protest, you would have seen that amount of people file past you for 4 1/2 hours. I was there, I know this is true. People at the end of the protest march were only starting to move forward at around 4.30, that's how many people there were. There had to be at least a couple of million, probably more, imo. And there were other protests going on at the same time, taking a different route.
Even the organisers don't know exactly how many there were because the turnout was so overwhelming.
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