Hull is no king's town, page 1

Hi all

I had to post this after hear my home city of Kingston Upon Hull is the only UK city not to receive a single application for a Royal Wedding street party

When in April 1642 Charles I moved to secure the port of Hull, he found the gates firmly shut. Having considered it his divine right to gain access to Hull's extensive arsenal (the largest weapons cache outside the Tower of London, no less), Charles discovered that the MP, Sir John Hotham, refused to follow royal orders. After a siege, the citizens drove away the royalists under gunfire – and Hull witnessed the first military action of the English civil war.

The Civil War led to the trial and execution of Charles I, the exile of his son, Charles II, and replacement of English monarchy with first, the Commonwealth of England (1649–53), and then with a Protectorate (1653–59), under Oliver Cromwell's personal rule. The monopoly of the Church of England on Christian worship in England ended with the victors consolidating the established Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland. Constitutionally, the wars established the precedent that an English monarch cannot govern without Parliament's consent, although this concept was legally established only with the Glorious Revolution later in the century.

The Guardian

Im not Usually a thread poster but I thought that not many people from outside of my city would take notice of this and didnt want it to slip under the radar.

Do you guys think that my home city is been snubbed because of the Eglish civil war all them years ago?

The English Civil War (1642–1651) was a series of armed conflicts and political machinations between Parliamentarians (Roundheads) and Royalists (Cavaliers). The first (1642–46) and second (1648–49) civil wars pitted the supporters of King Charles I against the supporters of the Long Parliament, while the third war (1649–51) saw fighting between supporters of King Charles II and supporters of the Rump Parliament. The Civil War ended with the Parliamentary victory at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651.

All though im not botherd about the royal wedding my self, there are older people in hull who like the Queen and this is a snub to them as well as our city as a whole.

Imo they should of leanred a lesson for all them years ago when we locked the king out of our city. As they know to well, we are not the kind of people you would like to upset.

Thanks for your thoughts.

And im sorry if this thread wasnt presnted to well im not normally a thread starter. but as I said earlyer, I didnt want this to go un noticed. Thanks

reply to post by ThePeopleParty

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I would say that yes, this is entirely based on the history of your town.

Not wishing to derail, but this is an example of how petty and resentful the 'elites' are. You are right that this should not be over looked as it provides insight into the true nature of those are in power.

No transgression, real or imaginary, will be forgotten.

Ever.

This is an important lesson, one that we all need to be reminded of.

reply to post by ThePeopleParty

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Great thread! I think there might be something in what you say!
I always Wondered why Hull has some of the worst statistics in the UK....It was voted Englands crappest town a few years back.....Hull had the most labour set up quango's outside of London, Hull was the worst bombed City outside of London during the 2nd world war and I could go on and on about the problems this City has instiled into its infrastructure..worst unemployment worst education worst for underage pregnancy etc etc

And I wouldnt want a street party for a royal wedding...the thought repulses me!!

Originally posted by {davinci}
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

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I would say that yes, this is entirely based on the history of your town.

Not wishing to derail, but this is an example of how petty and resentful the 'elites' are. You are right that this should not be over looked as it provides insight into the true nature of those are in power.

No transgression, real or imaginary, will be forgotten.

Ever.

This is an important lesson, one that we all need to be reminded of.

Thanks for your reply and I dont think you are derailing the thread at all. That is the line of thought that I went down upon reading this.

I knew the rest about us locking the king out and everything with the story been passed down through the generations and it gets brought up in the local news now and again.
But I didnt think the Royals were still so interested in this story as to completley snub us. and with it saying the only City in the UK (United Kingdom) To not get and invite, means that not only all the other English cities got invites, but the Scottish Welsh and Northern Irish did too. To miss out One city out of all the cities of these country's says it all imo.

Originally posted by aboutface

My goodness. In this day and age, the monarchy still uses all of us in the commonwealth. We pay for their elaborate security, trips, food, lodging, wardrobes while they are on tour and visit. I would instead celebrate the fact that they don`t dare impose themselves on you.

Thanks for this. We have had a bit of crap over the years too. Most bombed english city outside of london during WW2, Voted worst city in england to live a few years a ago. We allso had flood a while back and a lot of people felt neglected by the govt, Some people was living in caravans well over a year.

reply to post by zerozero00

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Hehe you have some good points. I was still editing my reply to the 2 posts above when you posted about the crappest city. I was just adding that too.

Thanks for your reply

reply to post by ThePeopleParty

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Hi, No disrespect but I think you and other posters may have read the article wrong.

Where it says....

Hull's was the only council in the country that hadn't had a single application for a street party for the royal wedding.

Guardian


It means that no one in Hull has applied for permission to have a street party, so it is actually the people of Hull who are snubbing the Royal family, not the other way around. And in my opinion.......good for Hull! Hull gets enough bad press as previously mentioned but it has just gone up in my view.

There is also an article about it on the BBC webpage,

BBC

Paul Heaton should maybe have made it more clear especially as it is in The Guardian. Also I don't think the Royals would ever snub a town because that would be going too far even for them and you have had visits from some of the Royal family there.

I believe St.Stephens are hosting a street party with giant screens of the wedding and to be fair with regards to the lack of applications, when has any Northerner ever bothered with getting permission to have a party!

reply to post by sapien82

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I think neil lennon did allso. he jus trecieve his reply in the post.

reply to post by MissTiger

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That's my take on it as well.

All it means no-one in Hull wants to have a street party to celebrate this wedding....no conspiracy.

But you are not alone; whilst I don't live in a city I do live in a large town in North East England and there has been zero applications here as well.

However, there are lot's of events planned today as we celebrate St George's Day!

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by MissTiger

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That's my take on it as well.

All it means no-one in Hull wants to have a street party to celebrate this wedding....no conspiracy.

But you are not alone; whilst I don't live in a city I do live in a large town in North East England and there has been zero applications here as well.

However, there are lot's of events planned today as we celebrate St George's Day!

I'm sure most of us would want nothing more than for there to be a plain as day conspiracy regarding the royal family as it would help put an end to them and to us being subjects instead of citizens but I'm sure it will come unless they find a way to over step Charles taking the throne!

I Just don't think anyone is really interested in the royals anymore(well apart from the extra day off) and by my experience, the further North you go the less so. No idea if anyone has applied for a party where I grew up in West Yorkshire but then I had never seen St George's Day celebrated there either. Having moved from there I can happily say I've now seen a St, George's Day parade!

Originally posted by {davinci}
reply to post by ThePeopleParty

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I would say that yes, this is entirely based on the history of your town.

Not wishing to derail, but this is an example of how petty and resentful the 'elites' are. You are right that this should not be over looked as it provides insight into the true nature of those are in power.

No transgression, real or imaginary, will be forgotten.

Ever.

This is an important lesson, one that we all need to be reminded of.

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