Pink Spiral + Norway spiral incident = ?

reply to post by JimOberg

As to "why" he believes it to be true, when all available checkable evidence is against it, I don't think i'm qualified to productively speculate on his motives or mental processes.

Hahahah fair enough!

He did say he was one of twelve thousand people to wake up and be willed to go outside and look up. I guess that's all anyone has to go on concerning this subject, his word.

Not good enough when you have given a completely plausible counter explanation.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Nobody needs to believe ANY sole source, that's why different points of view are useful.

Anybody care to comment on what I have published about the 'spiral UFO' that Aykroyd DIDN'T see -- but claims he dreamed about?

Thousands of people DID see it, and Aykroyd's blathering about "the Air Force claimed it was a Chinese rocket exploding over the US" is unsupported by any documented evidence [can anybody locate any press report saying such?].

Aykroyd dreamed THAT up too, and you're welcome to live in his dream world if you prefer, but the real world has real evidence that is a lot more fun to dig out and debate about.

Wow, before I thought I might know what the score was with that guy, but now I'm sure.

They really think very little of us, don't they...

It was an EISCAT (HAARP type facility) performing an "experiment"


Go here for more info': thetruthabout1111awakeningcode.blogspot.com...

This reminds me of a story told to me by my father not long ago. One of his patients, a military man who used to work at a nuclear silo in Belarus, said that he saw a weird UFO hovering over their base in the Soviet times. It looked like a huge pink spiral. The fighters were scrambled to investigate but they could not get close to the spiral because for some reason it always seemed to be 'in the distance', no matter how they approached it.

They called the "Headquarters" and asked what should they do. The response from the HQ was that they were aware of the UFO and the order was to not pay any attention or do anything.

Here are some early references to atmospheric spirals and concentric rings associated with rocket launches:

The Marine Observer
www.google.com... EiT9mlLarL0QHSx6HfCA&usg=AFQjCNHBKLC3VLdZjdgeQsiBftdy7TKBxA&sig2=C8Dtx3FxEIB5ESsby4uSfg" target="_blank" class="postlink">Link
From the link:

m.v. British Oak. Teneriffe to Monrovia. Captain A. C. Browne. Observers, the Master and Mr. P. M. Edge, Chief Officer. 27th November 1963. A point of light of about 2nd magnitude with an elliptical glow of approx. 3o diameter and concentric circles of light was observed through binoculars at 1925 GMT. It was first seen bearing 230o at 18o altitude and disappeared 4 min. later bearing 190o, altitude 8o. The sky was cloudless and the atmosphere clear. Position of ship: 24o 27'N, 17o 14'W.


m.v. Ripon. Captain Smith. On passage to Freetown. Observers, the Master and Mr. G. W. Brown, Chief Officer. 27th November 1963. At 1926 GMT an illuminated body was observed bearing 270o, altitude 30o. It appeared at first to have a suffused glow around it, but as the object moved parallel with the ship's course, the glow assumed the definite form of a tight spiral of blue-white light. The spiral expanded to a maximum radius of about 5o with about 12 turns visible at one time when bearing 200o, altitude 20o. The size afterwards diminished until the body faded from sight bearing 155o, altitude 12o, at 1931. As the object moved in azimuth, it also appeared to be gyrating about a centre in an anticlockwise direction and to vary in brilliance. At its brightest the object had a brilliance less than Venus and greater than Altair; its track passed between these two bodies. The whole phenomenon gave the impression of looking into a conically formed spring and was indeed a most sensational sight. We can only conjecture that it was an artificial satellite 'gone wrong' or passing through a cloud of meteoric dust. The accompanying sketches show how the phenomenon appeared to the observers. There was a cloudless sky and bright moonlight at the time. Position of vessel: 10o 5'N, 15o 59'W.


m.v. Pennyworth. Captain I. Gault. Middlesbrough to Monrovia. Observers, Mr. J. H. Edwards, 2nd Radio Officer, the Master, Mr. J. Nielsen, Chief Officer, Mr. J. MacKenzie, 3rd Officer, Mr. T. Walker, 1st Radio Officer, and the Chief Enfineer. 27th November 1963. At 1900 GMT for approx. 5 min. a bright object having a magnitude greater than any other star or planet was seen in the sky. It appeared to be stationary in the west at an elevation of 40o, for about 2 min. It then moved off rapidly in a SE'ly direction, disappearing about 2 min. later. The bright light from the object radiated outwards, like the ripples from a pebble thrown into a pond; at first in concentric circles, then in a spiral and finally in concentric half-circles. The general impressions of the phenomena seen are shown in the accompanying sketches. The object was definitely not a meteorite, and the course was too erratic for an earth satellite. Position of ship: 7o 39'N, 14o 13'W.


Note this:

Note 1. What was seen by the ships was undoubtedly an American rocket, Centaur 2, launched from Cape Kennedy at 1900 GMT on 27th November 1963. The times and positions indicated by the three ships agree very closely with calculated values. The odd appearance cannot be explained precisely but it is no doubt associated with the fact that the rocket when seen was still under power or had very recently been so. (Marine Observer, 34:181-183, 1964)


ETA: The rocket launch spoken of above was successful, according to this:

1963 November 27 - . 19:03 GMT - . Launch Site: Cape Canaveral. Launch Complex: Cape Canaveral LC36A. LV Family: Atlas. Launch Vehicle: Atlas Centaur. LV Configuration: Atlas Centaur AC-2 / Centaur D 126D. Atlas Centaur 2 - . Payload: Centaur 2B. Mass: 4,620 kg (10,180 lb). Nation: USA. Agency: NASA Cleveland. Class: Moon. Type: Lunar probe. Spacecraft: Surveyor. USAF Sat Cat: 694 . COSPAR: 1963-047A. Apogee: 1,478 km (918 mi). Perigee: 469 km (291 mi). Inclination: 30.4000 deg. Period: 104.60 min. Summary: Launch vehicle test. Launch vehicle put dummy payload into geosynchronous transfer orbit. First successful Centaur (liquid hydrogen-fueled) flight..


Astronautix

Reading the descriptions provided from the observers, it sounds (to me) like they saw something very much like the Norway Spiral. Too bad they didn't take any photos. My original connection with this was in a book that I read a number of years ago, and I forget the title now. In it, some scientist theorized that the spirals were caused by a phenomenon having to do with an interaction of the rocket exhaust and the ionosphere. I can't remember any details about that theory, I am sorry to say.
edit on 27-1-2012 by butcherguy because: To add.

Originally posted by THEDUDE86

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I think it's been proven that the Norway spiral was a HAARP demonstration. They launch this object then zap it with the local HAARP and it generates these spirals. There's a thread and video on here that shows the identical spiral using the actual HAARP data.

HAARP can not be the new answer for everything unusual

Absolutely none of his 'answers' even titillate a cognitive mind, he's nothing but static, a waste of bandwidth. I have no idea what is gained, seeked, or accomplished in a head like that.

Now all of the fringe believers, it would benefit your cause if you just stop mentioning swamp gas to strengthen your views, how can anyone read your condescending remarks aimed at people who can explain atmospheric conditions that piss on your little lights in the sky being intelligent design. Design a different mock to people that study actual physics and not heresy.

You are hurting the cause you are trying to voice with crap like that.

reply to post by WideOpenSpace


lol that's the ticket "just ignore the giant pink spiral in the sky. it'll get bored and go away in a little while".

Website below contains a video of a similar ufo recorded in russia last week.

paranormal-community.webs.com...

reply to post by butcherguy
Marine Observer

Astronautix

Working links for my post above.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
I think it's been proven that the Norway spiral was a HAARP demonstration. They launch this object then zap it with the local HAARP and it generates these spirals. There's a thread and video on here that shows the identical spiral using the actual HAARP data.

Is it this one?