Hi All,


I wasn't sure whether to post this in this forum or in Paranormal - both seemed fitting but i decided to place it here.

From what i have read and from desciptions about other experiances i seem to be stuck right before the moment you a person can project.

First of all i will give a little history on my past attempts and also on some reading i have done.

This topic isnt new to me, i have always had an interested in the paranormal and similar topics. About 5 years ago i hired an excellent book from the local library, i think it was called '' A Guide to Astral Projection'' and i cant remember the author but i do remember the cover was pretty plane and was white in colour...


Anyways, so i started to read and became very interested in the subject and the book was very helpfull in preparing yourself. It covered topics such as;

Beleif vs Doubt
Concentration and techniques
Will power
Positive Affirmations and thought
Techniques on doing the Astral Projection ( Relaxtion and clearing the mind, goals etc )

etc
etc


So i started off by thinking positively and taking all doubt out of my mind. This lasted for a couple of weeks and at the same time doing concentration excercises ( which involved a candle and techniques similar to meditation )

I got to the point where i felt ready to attempt it, nothing much happened the first week or two. I was still trying to mentally prepare myself, removing doubt and fear of the expericance.

Although then things started to get really interesting.

I was trying everynight before bed and up untill this point i would either fall asleep or was tired and had lost patience.

''The sensation is almost impossible to desrcibe, it's almost like a very rough vibration, but not pysically - more mentally. It actually felt like my head was a see-saw or ( teeter-totter ) going up and down very quickly. My body was very numb, similar to a hynosis type of feeling ( you are still aware but not totally )''

This one night i was doing the relaxtion exercises to relax my entire body and then start to clear my mind and focus on only the projection but more specifically my heart beat. ( that may not make sense unless you have read up on Astral Projection techniques )

After about 5-10 minutes I started to get the strangest feeling thgrough my body but mostly my head or brain. The sensation is almost impossible to desrcibe, it's almost like a very rough vibration, but not pysically - more mentally. It actually felt like my head was a see-saw or ( teeter-totter ) going up and down very quickly. My body was very numb, similar to a hynosis type of feeling ( you are still aware but not totally )


The first couple of times this happened, it startled me and i lost the feeling and after reading from the book this was a fear reaction to the feeling or a result of losing concentration.

This was a along time ago, within the past couple of months i have been trying to prepeare myself to try again with relaxtion, concentration and just overall being prepared again.

Lastnight i began to feel that same strange feeling and cannot get past it. It either continues with nothing further or it fades out.


Can anyone give me some advice on what i am doing wrong?


I do also remember reading in the book that as a beginner the hardest part is actually seperating from the body, i think perhaps subconciously i am worried that instead of moving my Astral self i will move my physical body and stop the expericance....



I have to say though for any doubters or skeptics of the issue that enter the discussion, the strange sensation i mentioned makes me think im on the right track, it is something i have never felt before or since and only during my attempts to Astral Project. The closest thing i could relate it to is this; have you ever been awaked very suddenly and had the strangest sensation of falling? It's very strange and very rare ( well to me ) it's not exactly the same but kinda similar..



So any help or advice??

I've been trying astral projection also.

I've never managed it, but I have had very strange sensations.

I've read about 10 different books on AP and what you're saying about the vibrations supposedly means you're almost there. I have these sensations of spinning or floating, but I can't see to actually project. I've also been able to see through my closed eyelids for a few seconds, until I realized that I my eyes were actually closed and then it went black again.

The sensations can be disturbing, but after a few tries you get used to them and can relax even though you're spinning and feeling pulled, pushed, squeezed etc.

A method I remember that was recommended was that once you get the vibrations you imagine a ball or a box or something floating above you. Then pull it towards you and at the same time imagine you are moving towards it. Then push it back and forward a few times till you feel yourself moving towards it. Then one big push to pull yourself out of the body.

I'm confident it is real. I even heard that the CIA was using it for spying and I have a book from one professor, who is well respected, saying that he was part of a team who were using it for spying.

I also had a dream where I APed. It was only a dream but seemed very real. Lots of the books I read said that when you dream of flying or APing you are actually doing it for real, but it is confused into the dream.

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My advice is, dont do it. You are messing with beings that are far more evil than you could ever be.

I don't think that's the case. Everything I read about it, by people who could actually do it, says that you are not in any danger. Sometimes it can be scary, but that's only your fear, not that you are actually in danger.

There can be aggressive beings, but these are not evil, only ignorant. There is no such thing as an intelligent evil being, because all intelligent beings know that it is worthwhile to be nice. Only ignorant beings do nasty things.

But since we as humans are already higher than them, they can't hurt us.

How can your spirit be hurt?

Only your body can be hurt, and here we are already in this dangerous world. Astral projection is not more dangerous than crossing the street.

-sign

I would think that when one leaves his body, is like leaving your front door open. You are going to have unwanted guest in your body.

Before you do it. Read about the bad experiences first.

i have been looking into this for awhile now. im not very diciplined so i havnt gotten very far at all. most of my experiences where i have gotten close seem to have happened on their own. a couple times i have gotten to where my whole body is vibrating. once i got half way out of my body. i was laying on my side and my spirit body was pulling up. I could 'see' the astral world, I still felt the vibration and i heard sounds that are hard to explain. It was pretty awesome. it didnt last long and my sprirt pulled back into my body. I havnt had any experiences since but i havnt actively persued it. It seems to me that the trick is being able to let go of the physical world. there are so many distractions and so much of our society keeps us concerned with the physical world. Fear is also a factor in this. at least for me. once i overcome my fear i am sure i will make more progress.

From my understanding you are not literally leaving your body. Your body is only for you and will only work for you. It's called astral projection. You are projecting your awareness outside of your body, but you are not really leaving your body with no spirit inside it. So nothing can possess your body in this way.

*NOTE* I am not condoning the use of ecstasy for its definately a terrible drug.

My old roomate told me an experience he had while on the drug. I'll also let you know this is someone who never meditated prior to this. But the whole basis he had a buddy that was into meditation and they decided to try it on the drug. He claims to have astral projected on his first meditation experience. Now I can honestly believe him in this case just based on the fact I knew him as to not having a reason to lie on the subject. I wasn't even interested in spirituality at the time in fact. The subject just came out of a drug experience chat. He said that he was meditating but hovering over some unknown street in China. Kind of a bizarre story. Just thought I would add that tidbit. I would also like to know if there is anyone who has a similar experience such as this.