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Jesus claimed Lucifer's title in Bible

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posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 11:56 AM
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Every open website that allows people to publish their opinions gets a few of these people, determined to tear down icons, religions, social mores, and society in general.

Wiccans, libertines, satanists, socialists - and what have you - are happy to declare anything that serves their goals and offer as proof books and web links from people who agree with them.

I appreciate the lengthy response by a fellow Christian, but let's be frank. No matter what you say will not be acceptable to them. Don't lose sleep over this. We all have choices in this life, and they have made their choices.

If Robert Walker O'Neal is right in his predictions, we won't have to worry about them long anyway.




posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 11:09 AM
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Hey Codemaster:

How much Paleo Hebrew do you know? How much Galilean Aramaic? How much Koine 1st century Greek?

And if you cannot read the "bible" in the original and form an opinion about the manuscript traditions in that "book" then how can you believe it.

or as they say, "Don't automatically believe everything you cannot read!"

'Nuff said.

If you are one of those pathetic American-English-only speaking fundamentalists who cannot read the Bible (but "believe every word" !) and who didn't even know R. Yehoshua bar Yosef was even a jewish Rabbi executed for armed sedition against Rome, then maybe you better go back to school and start over...

There's a bigger world out there, my friend. I suggest you get out a little more.

Just a thought, is all.



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 01:01 PM
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So can it be said that luciferian societies worship jesus when using the name lucifer? Reading the previous posts (and maybe I missed this) the name lucifer can/or has been used in both positive and negative connotations.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Amadeus
Hey Codemaster:

How much Paleo Hebrew do you know? How much Galilean Aramaic? How much Koine 1st century Greek?

And if you cannot read the "bible" in the original and form an opinion about the manuscript traditions in that "book" then how can you believe it.

or as they say, "Don't automatically believe everything you cannot read!"

'Nuff said.

If you are one of those pathetic American-English-only speaking fundamentalists who cannot read the Bible (but "believe every word" !) and who didn't even know R. Yehoshua bar Yosef was even a jewish Rabbi executed for armed sedition against Rome, then maybe you better go back to school and start over...

There's a bigger world out there, my friend. I suggest you get out a little more.

Just a thought, is all.






My, My, How do you ever find a hat to fit your head?

You may think that all your education makes you someone worthy of an ignorant Christian's attention but...as Paul says... "For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking (dialogue, gk-dialogismos) became empty and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise (by their philosophies, gk-sophos), they became fools..."


You see, God never chose everyone. If one doesn't have the receiver then God's wisdom cannot be transmitted. Some say God wants everyone, they quote, "whosoever will may come", but it is God who acts on the willer.

Eph 1:4 Eklegomai- chose out from among those not chosen, by speaking, for Himself.

Yes there is a big world out there but it is very, very, limited!! The understanding of humanity is just a drop in the ocean compared to the knowledge we'll have when..'we awake in His image.' You see, you cannot even come close to teaching me anything about God or His Son, you are not a Domita of God's word.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 12:35 AM
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Was he a rabbi?


Originally posted by Amadeus
Hey Codemaster:

If you are one of those pathetic American-English-only speaking fundamentalists who cannot read the Bible (but "believe every word" !) and who didn't even know R. Yehoshua bar Yosef was even a jewish Rabbi executed for armed sedition against Rome, then maybe you better go back to school and start over...

There's a bigger world out there, my friend. I suggest you get out a little more.

Just a thought, is all.


Or was he not a Rabbi?


posted on 8/6/04 at 03:15 AM Post Number: 709866
Hi there SomeWhere In Between...

YOU WROTE:

QUOTE (Somewhereinbetween): Amadeus asks whether Jesus was considered a Rabbi during his life, and yes he was, John 1:38 is one example, although it appears that along with teacher, it was also taken to mean, my master or my lord. He wonders if Jesus held two wives simultaneously, the answer to which is no, since Miriam left him a widower, prior to his resurfacing at age 30. UNQUOTE


Be careful of stating your opinions as fact without documentary backup of any kind...

The Greek we read today in the 4th (John's) Gospel, for example, was written down sometime AFTER AD 100, so it was 30 YEARS AFTER the Destuction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem when the Saduccean priests were killed off, and the term RABBI was more popular since they filled the power vaccum (a process which has extended Rabinnic (i.e. non sacrificial non-Torah abiding) Judaism to this day)

My question was actually whether or not the term RABBI/RABBONI was a RETROJECTION of a LATER TERM into an earlier narrative when the gospels circulated AFTER the destruction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in AD 70.


Let me know your SOURCE for a pre 70 usage of the term Rabbi, if you happen to have come across on in the literature.

I do not know of any confirmed written documentary sources for the specific use of this specific term RABBI before AD 70 (i.e. 35-40 years after the execution of R. Yehoshua for armed rebelllion against Rome) and the earliest Gospels circulated around AD 75-80 (e.g. Mark) and the so called Gospel of John the Elder (whoever he was) did not hit the streets until about AD 110, so cannot be used as evidence of an early use of the term, RABBI.
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posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 04:41 AM
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Amadeus
The Hebrew Masoretic Text word of Isaiah 14:12 that the "book of Revelation" seems to be translating is HEYLEL. It means the morning star or the day star from the sense of brightness : HALAL can mean clear and hence �to shine with clarity.�


Firstly; thanks for a great post.

I guess you are familiar with the Babylonian Talmud. It's most prominent school is dedicated to the Jewish scribe Hillel. That's the guy you are looking for. Though the oldest mss related to the Babylonian Talmud are of later-than-Christ origin, the books rest upon rich oral traditions leading back to the Babylonian Exile and a certain prophet named Hillel. Jesus demonstrates several times what he means about these Tora interpretations and it's defining elaborations on what is concidered work on the Sabbath or what's kosher to eat. One such typical regulation was how the farthest you'd may walk on a Sabbath before it was concidered work, was the equivallence of walking the distance from Jerusalem to Mount Olives'. Ring a bell? And a bell?

I believe Yesajah's passage directed at this Hillel character reflects some kind of prophetic feud. And I believe Jesus habit of walking to Mount Olives' on the Sabbath was a protest against Hillels laws and his rules for the rules, laws for the laws.
edit on 28-12-2013 by Utnapisjtim because: Added last paragraph

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posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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The morning star is the 'light of consciousness'.

The light that is seen when one wakes up from sleep is 'the light of consciousness'. The light that is seen now - presently - is the light of consciousness.

The light appears to divide you - it doesn't divide anything but it can be deceptive.

The light can appear as a word, a concept - the word 'past' and the word 'future' can only appear presently but words paint a picture of 'something other'. It is the 'something other' that is feared.
Really there is no other.
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posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Always knew Jesus was a false flag Black op.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 05:01 AM
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Yes, and he also claimed a title used by Nebuchadnezzar. They both get called "king".
In both cases, he probably believes he has a better right to the title.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 05:27 AM
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In ancient Rome and elsewhere planet Venus was seen as two separate celestial objects, the rising Venus at dawn was called Lucifer, the falling Venus at dusk was called Vesper. Lucifer was called the Morning Star or the Day Star, while Vesper was called the Evening Star. This had astrological applications and were signs of great importance if found in a persons natal chart. Lucifer was the protector of royalty and royals would typically plan births to fall on such Lucifer dates, which would happen roughly once every Φ years.



posted on Dec, 28 2013 @ 05:45 AM
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The Lucifer referred to in the Biblical texts was a Babylonian king. It was a mistranslation/mis-interpretation in the editing.


In other words, cherry pick what you want to believe is true and discard or ignore that which doesn't agree with current accepted philosophy.



Either way, I don't think it really matters. What does matter is that he most certainly was not referring to himself as Satan.


I agree...none of it matters. Especially considering the inherent mistranslations / mis-interpretation in the editing, which essentially reduces any biblical book to a badly eroded version of truth akin to a two thousand-year old game of Chinese whispers, whispered in several different languages, influenced by alternating and disparate political agendas of the powerful along the way...and at worst, an outright bastardisation or indeed a false document originated to fulfill an agenda of dominance and control over the feeble-minded in society.

Take your pick really...after all, it all comes down to faith.

And given what we know of the tactics of 'the powerful' throughout history, indeed what we know of the lying and devious, dishonest tactics our 'contemporary powerful' who have done and continue to essentially set the agenda of societies...such 'faith' can be readily and not unreasonably interchanged with extreme gullibility bordering on moronity.

But that's faith for ya! They don't refer to you as sheep in a flock for nothing you know.



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