Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
Originally posted by delicatessen
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
Originally posted by Deran
Didn't he say it the other way around? I'm sure that's what he meant. But yes, 0/1 = 0. 1/0 = infinity.
Uhh, no, 0/1 or 1/0 is undefined, it is not a number, nor is it infinity.
first off 0/1=0 and 1/0= the result goes to infinity.
"undefined" means that there's no corresponding value for x.
a graph of a function which is 1/0 is undefined because there's NO LIMIT. the graph goes to infinity. there's no value for x.
if a function of certain x is 0/1 then it's defined for that x.edit on 25-3-2011 by delicatessen because: (no reason given)
No, it is only infinity if it has a complex quotient, or is a limit, 1/0 by itself does not imply a limit. It is only infinity in certain cases, not all.
Edit: How does it "go to infinity" if it cannot converge on anything? Again, it can only converge on infinity via limits.edit on 26-3-2011 by Jerry_Teps because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by laslidealist
Tesla was smarter than Einstein and perhaps thee most influential scientist ever in the human race and look what happened to him and all his work that tried to help mankind.
He never sold his soul and never cared about money and only wanted to improve life for mankind and be an American citizen (never happened and this is how the USA repaid him although the Nazi's they brought over were given citizenship's with new identities and all the money and support which is their reward by the USA for killing millions- seems pretty fair) and he died a shattered man with his inventions being used by TPTB for nothing but evil.
He is better off leaving society and flying under the radar and when he has accomplished something worthy to help mankind have all his experiments and papers copied exponentially and distributed throughout the world so even if TPTB get a hold of these there are people in the world that have the same knowledge with a level playing field.
Originally posted by delicatessen
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
Originally posted by delicatessen
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
Originally posted by Deran
Didn't he say it the other way around? I'm sure that's what he meant. But yes, 0/1 = 0. 1/0 = infinity.
Uhh, no, 0/1 or 1/0 is undefined, it is not a number, nor is it infinity.
first off 0/1=0 and 1/0= the result goes to infinity.
"undefined" means that there's no corresponding value for x.
a graph of a function which is 1/0 is undefined because there's NO LIMIT. the graph goes to infinity. there's no value for x.
if a function of certain x is 0/1 then it's defined for that x.edit on 25-3-2011 by delicatessen because: (no reason given)
No, it is only infinity if it has a complex quotient, or is a limit, 1/0 by itself does not imply a limit. It is only infinity in certain cases, not all.
Edit: How does it "go to infinity" if it cannot converge on anything? Again, it can only converge on infinity via limits.edit on 26-3-2011 by Jerry_Teps because: (no reason given)
Are you just a troll or did you GENUINELY think there would be no mathematicians here?
"No, it is only infinity if it has a complex quotient."
Quotient is just a result of a division. Here's a complex quotient for you: 8.54*10^125. It's a FINITE NUMBER. No infinity involved.
"No, it is only infinity if it has...a limit"
Infinity means absence of a limit. How's that for an obvious?
"1/0 by itself does not imply a limit"
And i thought i said 1/0 was infinity. The irony is, this part of your quote, which is BS is contrary to the rest of your quote. saying BS and contradicting it with another BS is mind blowing.
"It is only infinity in certain cases, not all."
This makes no sense, even in relation to the rest of your post.
"How does it "go to infinity" if it cannot converge on anything?"
Numbers converge when they add up to a finite result, limit that is. Now reread your own quote above.
"Again, it can only converge on infinity via limits."
This sounds like new type of math that i never heard of. If something converges there's a limit. If there's a limit- there's no infinity. Limit=/= Infinity.
This was one of the most infantile full of shyt posts that i have ever come across.edit on 27-3-2011 by delicatessen because: grammatika
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by laymanskeptic
"infinitesimally small", ?
"infinitesimally small", is a measurement relative to the infinite, or compared to the infinite. That means it has a measurement that depicts the objects relative size compared to 0.
If something Is infinite. It has no boundaries or limits. That means it is infinitely small and infinite large at the same time. It takes up all space possible.
So "infinitesimally small", is a measured object/source within the infinite.
What ever we can observe and measure exists within the infinite. That is the difference between infinite and finite.
When we have to zoom in on objects to observe and measure them. You know that the space it exists in is larger then it. The same rules apply for mathematics.
Originally posted by henriquefd
Originally posted by MsOz2011
reply to post by MsOz2011
Assuming he is full time at college and not just part time subject accelerated he would most definately have nothing socially in common with his classmates. My daughter will be in the same position next year when she does university math and science part time. Although she is very mature and fits in very well with classmates up to 4 years older, at university they can be any age and this is my greatest concern.
This whole story is sensationalizing this boy to the extreme and that's my point. There are many children out there with these abilities only most are protected by their parents from the media not exploited by them!
Then you are assuming wrong. He is not there full time. He doesn't even have a scholarship. His mother gave an interview about how hard it was to get him accepted to attend classes at IUPIU. Like I said, he lives a normal life, but he is NOT like MANY kids out there. On the contrary. He is part of a minority. And I don't think they are sentionalising anything. They either report the news, or they don't. I rather they do it.
It's not like he's the next Justin Bieber! He's a kid with a special brain. It is a nice piece of news. A positive news, amidst all the chaos and infotainment we have in the news today.
As for his IQ of 170, this is the HIGHEST score, the top of the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children. It can't go any higher. Which makes me think there are probably different IQ tests and we should be careful when comparing IQ scores. I mean, I score 152 in an internet IQ score, but I don't think that means anything. It just gives me bragging rights against my friends who scored less, I guess. =P
If anyone wanna read more info about this kid so they don't have to speculate, check the link below.
A more complete story of Jacob Barnet
edit on 25-3-2011 by henriquefd because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TrueBrit
Calculus cannot eliminate hate or greed, hand power from the rich to the poor, or lever the weapons of tyrants from thier grasp. It cannot, else it would already have done so. Is it really worth hijacking a thread over? No , no it isnt. Please stop it!
Originally posted by laymanskeptic
I've been watching you guys debate this for several pages now...
In math, "Limit" has very specific definition. So is the word "Complex". Even "infinity" and how it relates to "limit", the relationship clear and well defined.
Look it up please... this argument you have here is unnecessary.
If anyone wants to question math, I suggest you ponder why calculus "works" at all in the physical world.
Think about what it means when they say "infinitesimally small", or "making an interval as small as you wish", then relate that to the physical world, where the concept of "continuity" is even questionable.
Originally posted by delicatessen
Thank you for this patronizing post. When i say Infinity or Limit i mean just that. And more than sure, by "complex quotient" he meant to say "polynomial ratio" so i had to give him random quotient that's finite by definition. There was no infinity involved. Not to mention this whole "complex quotient" had nothing to do with Infinity being Infinite.
Those things you mention are elementary and self-explanatory for a diligent calc student. Don;t rely on Wiki, it always makes elementary math concepts sound/look more mysterious and complex than they really are.
Originally posted by -PLB-
It not really that unknown. In fact, a limit is a well known concept in mathematics.
8.54*10^125 isn't a complex number by the way.
Originally posted by Jerry_Teps
Edit:Again, it can only converge on infinity via limits.edit on 26-3-2011 by Jerry_Teps because: (no reason given)