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Uniform Wear Banned Off Base in Europe

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posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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I am thinking that prior to the end of the Formal Occupation of Berlin in the 1990's that the status of the Russian, U.S., French and British troops was very much different than it is since then end of the Formal Occupation.

My understanding was that Germans up to that time so much as brandishing a steak knife in public could be shot on sight by any of the allied troops.

So I would assume a lot depended on when you served and where you served within Germany.

While we do put a 'pleasant' face on it, clearly Germany is still under Allied Occupation and looks like it always will be in some form.

While it's sold in the guise of defending what is essentially a nation by treaty that can only have a very limited military, it's pretty clear that the signatories of that treaty besides the Germans want them to have a very limited military.

After all these years I am sure that does cause some resentment probably in the oldest and youngest generations.

Ah to be young again.

Thanks for sharing that my friend.




posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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canada too except for quebec where english is officially spoken also
basically the old british empire speakes english
(as oposed to the "when in rome" as practiced by non conquerers )
which is an extension from the old roman enpire

tho it used to be that a soldier here not in uniform was evading the draft
edit on 24-3-2011 by Danbones because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by watchitburn
The Marines have been banned from wearing uniforms off base for years, mostly as a precaution to this very reason. It was always just a matter of time before the other services followed.

Expect to see this implemented Stateside soon as well.


Military uniforms out side of military installations have been banned in Washington DC for over 20 years due to the extremely high military personnel count.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
They better start having our service members and even tourists start speaking the native language too because anyone who speaks English in a foreign country will become the next targets just as easily. Only Britain, The USA and Australia and I think South Africa have English as their native languages. Makes it easy to target even without uniforms!
There maybe other countries that have English as the native tongue but I can't think of them right now!

Zindo

Ramstein Ab ge. a pivotal installation is located near kaiserslautern Ge. or "K" town to thousands of current and former u.s.Airforce and Army personnel; it is or at least "was" the largest settlement of Americans outside the united states.You really aren't going to hide over there.individual awareness of terrorism and applying simple basic counter terrorism skills were briefed even "back" then.(taken seriously duringthe late 80;'s/early 90's)
In a society where different country's and cultures are packed as tightly as our states. Belgians can spot the french who can spot Germans; Italians and spanish; "We" stand out.
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by GovtFlu
 


I have a hard time imagining the French being ignorant enough to compare the US military to Nazis. Maybe some of the youth think that, especially the immigrants, but the idea that the people that lived under Nazi occupation would call Americans Nazis is almost laughable. The relatives I have who live there have never made that comparison, they arn't pro American, but they don't call us Nazis either. They call us Imperialists. I guess calling us imperialist pigs isn't good enough for the post war generation though.


Well being "ignorant' is relative...

I'm thinking 1930s Germans belonging to the nazi political party didn't see themselves as what you think of as a "nazi".. nor did they see their fatherland as evil incarnate.. they too supported loved ones serving as troops and rooted for the home-team Germany.

Iraqis, and Afghanis, fighting for freedom from America see themselves as patriots & rebels, US policy says they're terrorists & insurgents.

These "same # different a-hole" posters comparing bush & hitler were popular with euro folk:
w & adolph

media.adamdodson.org...#-Bush/Same-#-Different-Asshole

..and then there's are these similarities between national socialists & GOP & DNC America:
End of America
media.adamdodson.org...#-Bush/Same-#-Different-Asshole
www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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We arn't Nazis.

The British Empire at one time had the largest, most expensive military on earth. We picked up where they left off.

To compare our penal system to the Nazi penal system is probably one of the most blatantly absurd comparisons I have ever seen. Our prisoners sit around watching tv, eating decent food, get paid college educations, and run organized crime operations. I can't stress how absolutely ludicrous that comparison is.

Our internal security apparatus is a joke compared to totlaitarian regimes, like China, the former USSR and especially Nazi Germany.

Our black sites, again are a joke, compared to totalitarian regimes in the past and present.


Sometimes the truth hurts and the truth is you don't have to be gassing Jews in concentration camps to be Fascists.


I have to say out of all the things I have read you post, this has been the most blatant attempt at disinformation I have ever seen. This isn't the truth and you know it. You have studied enough history and current events to know the objective truth, but you are pushing propaganda here and it has nothing to do with truth.



posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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l don't think speaking English has anything to do with it. Wearing a forces uniform used to be something that you could wear with pride. Too many people, all over the world now know that the military are used by their governments to kill innocent men, women and children for corporate greed. Most have no conscience, they are killers. l have seen films of soldiers playing with school children and helping them learn how to play football. but we know that if their superiors told them to blow up the school with all of them in it the following day they would do it without batting an eyelid. ls it any wonder that people worldwide have no respect for the people who wear the uniform. The world knows that the English speaking military have left the Japanese to starve, a lot will die. What do the English speaking military do? Pull out, leave them to there fate to go to libya to kill more innocent people. Peace starchild.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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I am a military individual effected by this mandate in effect. It is a major pain in the butt to do my job on a daily basis. Last week alone, I had to change my uniform back to civilian clothes 4 times through out an 8 hour work day because I had appointments between main base and auxiliary bases here. I understand the logic behind the whole not wearing the uniform off base idea but every German that lives in this area knows an American from a German. There is no hiding the fact that Americans stick out of the crowd no matter what you wear. I have taken it upon myself to learn as much German as possible to blend in and show respect to my host country since I arrived here. When it comes to wearing civilian clothes coming to work and going and also traveling between bases, it sucks right now but it just comes down to changing a routine and making small adjustments. The facts of this whole thing comes down to a huge under though concept, American clothes, style and hair cuts look TOTALLY different from German clothes, style and haircuts. If they wanted us to truly blend in with the natives, they should ban the military haircut standard and tell us to dress more like the Germans to make us safer, but that will never happen so this act of banning the Military uniform off base is only putting a band-aid on the problem and not truly solving the issue. Thats all I have to say, Im out DEUCES!



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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To compare our penal system to the Nazi penal system is probably one of the most blatantly absurd comparisons I have ever seen. Our prisoners sit around watching tv, eating decent food, get paid college educations, and run organized crime operations. I can't stress how absolutely ludicrous that comparison is.


That is not true. That is a pop culture myth that is promoted by the television.

If someone is locked up in a low to medium security federal prison facility, then yes, that is somewhat true depending on the prison.

But if you were to see the many state prisons, especially in the more conservative parts of the country, then you would be calling your own statement absurd.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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I live in a more conservative part of the country, Louisiana.

Prison wise we have probably the worst in the nation, e.g. Angola.
Angola is the biggest maximum security prison in the United States. (28 square miles with over 5000 prisoners) They still have TV, radio, heating, air conditioning, showers, a medical facility, and basket ball courts. It also has an education facility where prisoners can get their GED, take vocational courses, and even earn bachelors degrees.

In addition, prisoners also operate a radio station, print their own magazine, and hold rodeos.

Again we are nothing like Nazis. Absolutely nothing like Nazis.

If people want to see horrible prisons check out the prisons in Russia and China, but even as bad as they are, those prisons are still nothing like the Concentration Camps the Nazis ran.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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When concentration camps (aka work camps) were instituted at the beginning of the war they were not death camps.

They were work camps. The workers were kept on a very strict schedule that included time off.

The Germans were not idiots. They wanted the most productive work from their prisoners and they knew how to get it.
They also issued script to be used in the commissary and had medical staff.

As I said however, that was at the beginning of the war.

Please do not turn this into a latent reference towards "the holocaust".
That defense is commonly used as a non sequitur, and I, for one, do not tolerate it.

That is not to say that the conditions in the camps did not deteriorate at the end of the war causing mass death, usually by disease and/or starvation.
That most certainly happened.

What you seem to not understand are the long term effects of being branded with a felony. They do not go away, and no amount of education or access to education for correction will change that history.

The last time I checked it was not the department of prisons, but the department of corrections.

Not the department of pain and suffering but the department of corrections.

I would love for anyone who thinks that prison is easy to go do a year in Jackson correctional facility in South Georgia.

I you haven't been there, then it is speculation.... AT BEST.

I will no longer derail this thread.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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The extermination camps (Vernichtungslager) and concentration camps (Konzentrationslager) were two different entities ran by different people.

Anyone who has objectively studied WW2 would know that.

Why would you even bring the Holocaust up? You are the second person to do so and some how try to imply some kind of link between my argument and the Holocaust. I said nothing about the extermination camps.

Concentration camps like Dachau make American prisons look like resorts. The Soviet Gulags are about the only thing to compare to them, American prisons don't come anywhere close.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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What about Guantanamo?

Extraordinary Rendition?

We hide and divert the public's attention about the absurdity of our "prison system" through eloquently placed propaganda.
We lock more people up, percentage wise, than any other country in the world.

I can think of nothing more Nazi.

We have a variety of prisons my friend.

We will lock someone up for life, even if they have been declared innocent, if they have fallen under the moniker of "enemy combatant".

And in this country, having a felony makes someone an outcast from society for the rest of their lives.

If someone was to get out of the gulags, then they could at least have the same life as anyone else and not an instant real time, computer connection to their entire history for every employer.

You say to-may-to.

I say to-mah-to.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:53 PM
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This is very common. I was stationed in West Germany in 1987-1990, and this was standard operating procedure.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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While I respect your opinion I will have to disagree. I think it is a benefit to learn at least a basic understanding the local language, I believe it shows respect for your host country and its citizens. That however, that is just me.



posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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Are seriously comparing GITMO to Dachau? Seriously?

Sure we do bad things, but again its absolutely nothing like the Nazis or even the Chinese.

There's no comparison.



posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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Hae, thanks for calling our guys criminals. Nice, SPQR huh? do you even know what that means? Anyway, I've worn a uniform for the US Navy, and we wereALWAYS told not to wear them off base as far back as the early 1980's because it makes the Euro's upset to see the Stars & Bars since they all HATE the US antway. Something about some guys named Hitler, and Mussolini, and Tojo and how we had to go over there and help them Euro's out with that. Anyway, the US doesn't have any friends in the world, but we do have some very fine tactical and strategic nukes and we're right around the corner from having to use them so who really cares. SPQR, what a freakin JOKE!



posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Have you ever been to gitmo? Have you ever worked there to see the conditions?
I would venture to take a guess no you have not.
I think you would be amazed.

I take offence to be compared to a Nazi. walk a mile in my boots than you can talk about gitmo.

Until than please keep it out of your mouth and out of your posts.

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posted on Mar, 29 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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I can make comparisons to American jails better than anyone on this board, and I would bet more money than you have on that.

Before you make assumptions about me, ask, and then make the assumption.

I don't like going into my past, but I will let you know that much about me.

So please, do not let your own ignorance of my situation allow you to be painted in such a supercilious manner.

I also put up the words "extraordinary rendition"

Such as Abu Ghraib....(And I can only really stick to the prisons that we know exists)

I see that you both are avoiding that topic.

I suppose that if I hurt your feelings then it might serve you well to try and change your perspective on that.
You know.... "the secret".
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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 03:30 AM
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Wearing your uniform in another country is a declaration of war and invasion. It was the right thing to do as we are not war with Germany, we are just using a base in Germany. You can't wear the Uniform on foreign soil.




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