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The Mystery of the Dyatlov Pass Incident

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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 06:06 AM
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yeah true, those injuries were very odd indeed, and the missing tongue... What The!!

I cant understand how the internal injuries would be caused without any external evidence such as abbrasions, bruises or cuts etc.

I know for bruising and sweeling etc an ice pack helps, maybe the freezing temps stopped any bruising etc... hmm i dont know just speculating now.

Big Foot perhaps??


also the tent that appeared to be cut from the inside, that's kinda scary. Almost like something was inside the tent at the time they tried to escape.
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Thanks to the OP for thia absolutley fascinating thread. I can't believe I've never heard about this before. I would put it up there with some of the most famous mysteries like Rendlesham.

I'm off to check out some of the links too now, thanks also to everyone for those - I'm now hooked on this one!



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by Centur1on
Thanks to the OP for thia absolutley fascinating thread. I can't believe I've never heard about this before. I would put it up there with some of the most famous mysteries like Rendlesham.

I'm off to check out some of the links too now, thanks also to everyone for those - I'm now hooked on this one!


Yeah, this story seems to do that to people,


It's just one of those that has you thinking for a long time - and without coming to any real conclusion It would seem aswell. It's truly baffling and one of the most fascinating cases I've ever had the privilege to come across without a shadow of the doubt.

Oh, and speaking of Rendlesham, here's my thread on that too!



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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I cant understand how the internal injuries would be caused without any external evidence such as abbrasions, bruises or cuts etc.

I know for bruising and sweeling etc an ice pack helps, maybe the freezing temps stopped any bruising etc... hmm i dont know just speculating now.


Hmm, that's actually an interesting theory IMO. One I haven't thought of...

So, now I have to wonder how big an impact the colder temperatures would've actually had on the external injuries sustained. Maybe It could've been more than we would suspect?

Anyway, I hope someone reading now whom knows more than you or I could comment because that is, for me anyway, one interesting hypothesis.


Big Foot perhaps??


Ok, now you've gone too far.


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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Ha yeah the Big foot claim was abit of a stretch....


Yeah it would be interesting hear from a doctor or a nurse on the issue of how cold temps can influence the amount of surface tissue damage, either sustained or that appeared.

What i mean is that, there may have been surface damage but it wasnt apparent during the autopsy.

I just can't get around that part, even if there was something paranormal involved, you would think that for a person to have internal injuries no matter what the cause or weapon, there would have to be some type of external evidence.

Lastnight i was thinking about it again, could some type of magnetic or electro-magnetic weapon damage internal but not external body tissue?? Perhaps some type of pulse weapon??


That's abit far fetched but just a thought??
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by debris765nju



Hey again debri765nju,

Thank-you for your explanation ... unique I believe ... I can understand where you are coming from but I'm not sure I would completely agree ... however, it is always good to view things from a variety of perspectives in the effort to form a fuller and hopefully more accurate understanding of events.

And thank-you for the inverted pics of the originals ... the second one didn't show anything (to me at least) ... but the first one I find very interesting ... there definately seem to be some inexplicable anomolies present.


Woody
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Thank you Woody, these entities are all i do. They have been the greatest mass murderers

Jack the ripper

Lizzie Borden Murders

Possessed Charles Manson and his cult

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis

The Maya and Meso-America

All Pyramid and Mound builders

Chilean tribes and Nazca

Most unsolved heinous crimes involving torture, mutilation, missing blood and bodily fluids.

They take pleasure in incriminating innocent people...O.J. Simpson really was innocent

The Nazi "death camps"



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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how utterly fascinating, I've never heard of this case!

Do we know what the illness was that caused one of the members to leave the group at the start? I'm wondering if there was a toxicology screen done at all to rule out any sort of drug that could of been ingested unintentionally causing a psychotic episode and hallucinations? Is there an account of what they'd been doing in the days previous to the incident?

Do we have access to any of the autopsy reports? Was the girls tongue found at all or was it completely missing?

The skiers with the internal injuries could they of fallen or could the injuries have been caused post mortem by the weight of snow that was on them? If they had fallen its possible snow provided a 'buffer' thus preventing any serious external injuries and as someone pointed out bruising would of been at a minimum due to the extreme cold....

Looking at the wikipedia account they seem to suggest that the radiation levels were not reported in any contemporary accounts and is a later add on...

Its also interesting to note that Hypothermia can cause disorientation and confusion so I wander if Hypothermia could in fact be the cause of the initial confusion?


the victim exhibits incoherent/irrational behavior



Paradoxical undressing Twenty to fifty percent of hypothermia deaths are associated with paradoxical undressing. This typically occurs during moderate to severe hypothermia, as the person becomes disoriented, confused, and combative. They may begin discarding their clothing, which, in turn, increases the rate of heat loss.



ETA The spirals found in the same general area are interesting too!
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Its also interesting to note that Hypothermia can cause disorientation and confusion so I wander if Hypothermia could in fact be the cause of the initial confusion?


That's an interesting idea. I would assume that this would have only took affect after they had left their camp though. After all, plenty of people take expeditions into locations which are freezing cold, worse than what these people would have been subject too, and they didn't experience anything out of the ordinary or they didn't feel the need to run off in the middle of the night with barely any clothes on.

Confusion could have been caused after this though, possibly one of the reasons they didn't make it back to camp, but then again, that doesn't explain away the strange injuries sustained - particularly to the small group whom were found much further away.

Either way, It's a fascinating case..



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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I know that hypothermia gets to a point where the brain starts to shut down. In this state people will start to feel hot, and take off their clothes just like in this case.

The tent was cut open, who's to say the same knife wasn't used by a half brain dead victim to cut their own tongue out?

As for the rest, I suppose that's the greatest mystery.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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That's an interesting point I have to admit, but I can't help ask the question: Why isn't there more cases of this nature on record if your conclusion is indeed true? After all, expeditions of this type do occur almost everyday in some part of the world and in much harsher conditions and the outcomes are quite vastly different - not forgetting the people here in question were relatively experienced in pursuits of this nature also.

It's a compelling case, no doubt and coming to an all-round plausible conclusion is proving difficult It seems.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Those who'd like to go deeper down this rabbit hole might want to check this immersive website:

Dyatlov Pass: Into the Golden Fire

Do not forget to turn on the music (at the bottom of the page).



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Very interesting thread and full off unexplained events,

There is a picture from the skiers camera and its the 33 frame from a mounted capture so the Dyatlovs pass was from my experiance off wild camping apparantly calm and relatively low winds, The picture shows "glows" or orbs off some sorts or even perhaps torches (Where they meeting CIA agents ?) as one theory suggests.

The investigation was taken right to the top off the USSR regime, Gorbacheve? (spl) so the event was a high profile event in the height off the cold war,

I can only speculate, But it comes across the skiers knew they where meeting thier maker so to speak and can only wonder why they choosed to decamp thier tent from the sidewall, somthing unnatural "spooked" the common sense out of these very intelligent people and there was noway they where going back to the tent and chose to die a slow death in the minus 20+ conditions,

as for the injuries sustained are these not consistent with atmostheric decompresion ie. cannot say to much more than that as i lack the medical knowledge.






This plastic bottle was sealed at approximately 14,000 feet (4,300 m) altitude, and was crushed by the increase in atmospheric pressure —at 9,000 feet (2,700 m) and 1,000 feet (300 m)— as it was brought down towards sea level.
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posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Atmospheric decompression definitely has nothing to do with the case in question. The Ural mountains are neither high nor steep, and the place where the skiers made their last camp was barely 3000 ft above sea level.



posted on Nov, 15 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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Interesting read, thanks for posting it.



posted on Feb, 20 2013 @ 01:15 AM
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Interesting case indeed.

I've noted several differences in the recounts I've read tho. For instance, most articles on the subject say that the injuries on the three bodies were made BEFORE death, so missing bruises is kinda perplexing. Allthough, it could be, as stated previously in the thread, because of the extreme cold, or the discoloration of the skin.

Second, the victims are described as being blinded, allthough no explanation is given as to how this was established. I found a few pics tho, where you could only see dark sockets where there should have been eyes, even on an older black n white photo. Could it be snow blindness? Or their eyes being subjected to a rapid change from darkness to brightness? (as in a sudden meteor, or explosion).

Third, they had all, according to reports, eaten 6-8 hours before death. No toxicology was ever performed, to my knowledge, but the fly agaric mushroom is common in these regions, albeit abit hard to find in winter.

Fourth, the bodies found at a later date were beneath 4meters of snow. It is not clarified how much snow had fallen in the gap between the finds, but 4m seems like a far stretch.

Fftth, discoloration of the skin is common during frostbite.

Sixth, the indigenous Mansi peoples have legends and stories of this area, including a story of 9 mansi brutally murdered. The place is known to them as "Dont go there".

There are as many possible explanations as there are people reading the story, but one has not yet been discussed. The debunker favourite, mass psychosis.



posted on Feb, 20 2013 @ 01:21 AM
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I've always found this story kind of 'spooky', but, could it also be, moldy bread? psychodelic drug reaction? Alchohol related? Cold like that can kill you VERY quick, and hypothermia's been known to make people behave in a very bizzare way. In any case, those poor souls were teriffied of something, but that something may not have been an actual, physical experience.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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this story really disturbs me. what those people saw or didnt see? must have been horrific. it really creeps me out. something attacked them. but they found two bodies by a fire? that means they eluded what was after them for a while to be able to get a fire going, maybe as it was going after the others. what ever it was they where that desperate to get away. i cant even think of what it must have been like for them or what it was that made them flee.

and i read the person with the missing tongue is because it froze off. also i know this is old but i really like this mystery.



posted on May, 9 2013 @ 04:55 PM
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Sole survivor of Dyatlov Expedition, Yuri Yudin has died.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 5 2014 @ 05:59 PM
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I have thought of the unfortunate and unexplained death of these students for some time and as Spock stated
in Star Trek – quoted from Sherlock Holmes “… when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth…”
I originally thought that it may have been the Russian army with concussion bombs that were dropped on them by accident.
The army had used this location for secret tests.
Some mention that the army secretly arrived at the crime scene 1 week before the rescuers found the bodies.
This could answer a few of the mysteries but not all!
Why their tent was on the side of the mountain and not logically down at the tree line for shelter and fire wood?
The army could have moved the tent up the mountain to change the crime scene.
Why there was radioactive material on some of the clothing and why they were not wearing any protective clothes for the harsh climate?
The army could have changed their clothes and confiscated clothing which showed being radioactive.
Though all good explanations, I do believe there is only one explanation that holds up to all facets of this case!
Yeti or Abominable Snow Man encounter!
Why would anyone set up camp on the side of the mountain when there was a forested shelter a short distance down the mountain?
On research I found that the small tent used was not their main tent – they had left supplies at a base camp and were using this very small tent for an excursion.
What was their purpose for climbing the Ural mountain range?
I googled Russian news broadcast for 1958 and there was an interesting account a few months earlier of Yeti encounters on this range. That year a number of local Mansi tribe people disappeared.
After this investigation the Russian Government banned all further investigation or reporting on the Yeti with threats of incarceration.
These students may have been acting as investigating reporters and photographers and had to have a cover to conceal their true purpose.
The one person they added to their close group was a guide familiar with this territory. A note on a printed paper in their possession was scribed “From now on we know that the snow men exist”.
Although they used guns to protect themselves in this wilderness terrain for previous trips (pictures show), they did not carry them this time in case they were stopped and questioned.
Whatever attacked them in their tent did not bite or claw but had extreme power to crush
A similar attack at Yale BC in the 1800’s by some gold miners who claimed to have captured a baby Sasquatch and in Washington State 1920’s of an attack: www.bigfootlives.com...
In 1946 Cultus Lake BC a newlywed couple disappeared from their cabin with only large footprints found surrounding it.
Case Scenario
The illogical pitching of their tent in the open may have been due to a scare from the locals at the last settlement which told them about reindeer being found dead in this area.
They may have felt more secure making camp in the open rather than down within the trees.
After taking off their heavy outerwear and boots and due to the small space within the tent along with the moisture and smell, they would have left this clothing outside, at the back of the tent with their packsacks to dry out. They could have left them in what appears to be an overhang on the rear of the tent where the exhaust stove chimney exits.
They entered the tent in their long johns and tent slippers and had supper.
Shortly after supper 2 of the men went outside to urinate (documented) with a flashlight, which they left on the roof of the tent (documented) and a lighter and cigarettes to have a smoke. It was written in their diary that the women did not want them smoking in the hotel rooms or tent.
While out they were attacked and forced to flee down to the forest for cover.
There they built a fire for warmth and to keep any predators away.
On hearing the commotion outside the tent, 3 students went outside to help with a flashlight and were also attacked.
They fled down the mountain unable to reach their outerwear at the back of the tent.
The Yeti’s attack then centered on the 4 remaining students left in the tent.
The Yeti unable to open the tent door or cut through began to pound on the center of the tent with the students inside slicing their knives back through the tent in defense. It has been reported that Yeti can use sticks as weapons and may have poked through the open slits of the tent with one of the ski poles. It was documented that numerous knife cuts were found on one of the ski poles
The Yeti attack temporarily stopped when they noticed the fire down at the tree line and the 3 students heading towards it with the flashlight (documented and found on this trail still in the on position).
The Yeti have been reported that they are not afraid of fire or light.
The Yeti caught the 3 students before they could reach the tree line.
Yeti use their large powerful arms to club and then bear hug their quarry until subdued and unconscious, all similar injuries reported on the students.
Seeing that the fire was attracting the Yeti the 2 students at the tree tried to franticly put it out, it was reported that one of these student’s hands were burnt possibly by this action.
Next they proceeded to climb a tree.
The report claimed they had climbed the tree to observe if their tent was still there to return to for their survival gear.
The problem with this was that it was after sunset in winter in Russia.
I googled if there was a full moon that night and there was not, so it would have been pitch dark.
The only reason to climb a tree at night would be to try and elude a predator.
It has been stated that Sasquatch can climb trees.
One of the students was found a few hundred feet from the tree still clutching a branch as if he had been dragged down from the tree.
When the remaining 4 students of the group did arrive at the tree they found their companions dead so they removed what clothing they could to keep warm rather than return to their tent and what they thought was back there.
They then went to a ravine and dug a snow cave for shelter.
Unfortunately the Yeti were waiting for them in the forest and pursued them, cornering them at the ravine some short distance away and finished them off.
One problem with the Yeti theory is that no foot prints were ever found.
The explanation is it was sometime after the encounter, in winter, in a valley known for wind.
The Yeti/Sasquatch have a very large bipedal foot, much like a bear paw snow shoe which would leave a very flat shallow print.
These prints would easily disappear with weather conditions.
The final explanation may be the hardest to believe and that is - why have no further sightings or findings been made of Yeti in this location?
With all our technologies these mountains and the world in general have become a lot smaller but the Universe is immense and unknown.
There were unexplained lights in the sky at this location seen by other observers.
Strange creatures have been reported all over the world with similar globe light occurrences (Kentucky Goblin Encounter,Chupacabras, Ogopogo, Lochness Monster, and other such things).
Many documented encounters with Sasquatch have been reported with similar globe lights seen in the vicinity.
Could it be that there are time portals throughout the Universe and these creatures accidently pass through them?
Could a nuclear blast such as the 1957-58 Russian accidental nuclear explosion at Kyshtym ( just a few miles south
of Oblast Swerdlowsk where these students were) cause a rip in our universe?
This accident reportedly killed 1000’s of people and contaminated a 100 square kilometer area with high level radiation.
Could the radiation on their clothing have come from physical contact with these entities or the terrain
itself?
One such strange occurrence happened in Manila in 1593 where a guard was suddenly transported to Mexico City
www.psychic101.com...
All in all strange and unexplained things happen and it is left up to us to ponder what the truth might be.
Thanks for your ability to have your mind open to care for an explanation for these unfortunate beings






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