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Be gay all you want, just hush up about it!

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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why are people still putting these threads up? there are like 5 goin around. im gay and i dont go on ats and talk about how me and my muscular 6ft burly Italian stallion have oral sex every night and anal once every 6months.

but now you know


ya the gay community can be annoying, but we are all not like that. and we never go on ats and rant about it.

i have only found one gay thread that was posted by a lesbian who was ranting about ppl excepting her. but, she wrote it on the title that she was gonna rant, so the christian and homophobes coulda stayed away.... but they didn't of course.
edit on 02/25/2011 by zptramel because: homosexuality got in the way





posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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See that right there is too much info.... And I would say the same thing if it was a straight person saying something like that... Unless the topic is about sex, that is offtopic and offensive to some people.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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If I ever want a Caucasian Pride day, or a Heterosexual Pride parade, I'd be labeled bigot, racist and everything else. Someone very close to me that works for the Federal Government told me that in my lifetime, the most discriminated person will be a straight, white male with how things will be shaping in the future. I cannot wait until 2050 when the "hispanics" are the majority race and then I can finally start using all the minority rights!!!

Be gay all you want, why do you have to rub it in everyone's face? It seems like that's a part about being gay is being flamboyant about it. It all goes back to attention and the "look at me, look at me" attitude. If it wasn't for attention, we wouldn't be hearing about it.

Being Gay is their choice. Yes, CHOICE. You CHOOSE who you have sex with unless you are raped. I don't care about who you're attracted to, when it comes down to it, having sex is a CHOICE. Therefore, being gay is a CHOICE - a mental disorder that will make its way back into the Psychiatric DSM-V back to being called "Gender Identity Disorder" as it has been in the past.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by zptramel
 


See that right there is too much info.... And I would say the same thing if it was a straight person saying something like that... Unless the topic is about sex, that is offtopic and offensive to some people.


haha I think the point of his post was literally just to annoy people (as a joke)



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleSun
If I ever want a Caucasian Pride day, or a Heterosexual Pride parade, I'd be labeled bigot, racist and everything else. Someone very close to me that works for the Federal Government told me that in my lifetime, the most discriminated person will be a straight, white male with how things will be shaping in the future. I cannot wait until 2050 when the "hispanics" are the majority race and then I can finally start using all the minority rights!!!

Be gay all you want, why do you have to rub it in everyone's face? It seems like that's a part about being gay is being flamboyant about it. It all goes back to attention and the "look at me, look at me" attitude. If it wasn't for attention, we wouldn't be hearing about it.

Being Gay is their choice. Yes, CHOICE. You CHOOSE who you have sex with unless you are raped. I don't care about who you're attracted to, when it comes down to it, having sex is a CHOICE. Therefore, being gay is a CHOICE - a mental disorder that will make its way back into the Psychiatric DSM-V back to being called "Gender Identity Disorder" as it has been in the past.


I'm fairly certain gender identity disorder is something else entirely.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:59 PM
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thank you. it was sarcasm...



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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aaah ... so 'nice' to see my namesake once again alive and well on the internet.

despite an hours-long absence from this discussion it seems as though i've been here all the while.


apparently in mind and spirit, if nothing else. :shk:


Originally posted by ollncasino
Why are some gays so proud of being gay and demand attention from others on that basis?
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why are some people so proud of who or what they are and demand attention from others on that basis?

*think about it*

those decrying homosexuality are obviously demanding attention from others ... on that basis too. (?)

17 pages worth, even. :shk:

the same in your face 'flamboyant types' referenced in the opening message exist in all 'makes' of people and personalities.

whether it be the overly make-upped office girl with the low-cut blouse , wearing clothes two sizes too small ... flaunting part and parcel in your face, or that guy who just has to make it be known how 'studly' he is.

little difference, if you ask me. people are people


Perhaps some gays are doing more harm than good to gay rights by being so militant and proud about being gay.

perhaps if they weren't looked upon as being a 'lesser' ... they wouldn't 'have' to. (?)

also, and for that matter, many other 'somes' are doing more harm than good by being so militant and proud in their 'efforts' ... as well. (?)


Really, who cares if someone is gay?


exactly




edit on 23-3-2011 by Annie Mossity because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Where are the adults on ATS today? This is the second or third thread about this crap. This wouldn't be tolerated in any other venue.
GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!! Run along....



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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Spartan, you and I are undoubtedly allies in the fight for freedom, and there is little I can find to disagree with your analysis. It just doesn't matter who a person is having sex with, the point is that whomever a person has sex with, they are still a person, and as such they are endowed with certain unalienable rights and these rights are not special rights granted to them by governments because of their sexual proclivities, they are the same rights as anyone else has.

While you have taken both the left and the right to task in regards to this issue of homosexuality, I was compelled by your labeling of the "religious right". Whether religious zealots are right wing or left wing matters not, the religious zealot will find excuses to thump their Bible over your head every chance they get.

I am Catholic, and for those who are Catholic I assume they understand what this means. However, there are plenty of religious zealots who are not Catholic who have no idea what this means. So, throughout my life, and in fact just yesterday, I encounter "Christians" who feel compelled to lecture me on the importance of accepting Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I do my best to show compassion and a degree of tolerance to these people and will attempt to somehow acknowledge their "concerns" while simultaneous doing my best to direct the conversation elsewhere.

I suppose, similar to the O.P., I am fine with Christians being Christians, I just wish they would hush up about it, but similar to yourself, I am a staunch advocate of free speech, as well as the freedom to worship according to the dictate of your own conscience. So, it is understandable why some Christians feel compelled to preach, and preach, and preach, all the while making stupid assumptions about whom they are preaching to, while they continue to preach and preach and preach.

At some point, I get tired of this, and being that I too have the right to free speech and to worship according to the dictates of my own conscience, I make clear to the person preaching the New Testament to me that I am Catholic. Most of the time, just simply announcing my Catholicism is a point that gets lost on most, and I have to push the point a little further, and that point is that as a Catholic, I was Confirmed. The Confirmation process in Catholicism is a sacred and revered ritual of "accepting Jesus Christ in their heart", but for too many Christians, being Catholic means I am not "really" Christian. If this is the road they go down, at some point I begin going down the road of the Catholic Church being the "one true church". I actually do not buy that the Catholic Church is the "one true church" and I personally think that there is room for as many denominations as feel justified, and also tend to personally believe that a "church" in terms of a formal institution is not at all necessary in order to worship, and that our bodies are our temples, but when I am being bullied by Bible thumper's who are comfortable with lecturing me about my religious "failures", I tend to bully back.

I have not just experienced this phenomenon with Christian zealots, I have experienced similar phenomenon with gay people. I grew up in the Theater, and began as an actor and as I grew up started writing and directing as well. The theater seems to be a haven for homosexuals and this was always fine with me. However, very many of them were too intent on preaching "tolerance" to me, when in all fairness I had never teased, cajoled or questioned homosexuality in anyway. I had accepted it since it was something I was familiar with since I was a little kid. Yet, because I had never written a homosexual character in any of my plays, several homosexuals felt compelled to take me to task for this because, as the argument goes, "10% of the population is gay".

I would patiently try to explain that the stories I was writing did not call for homosexual characters and they were not intrinsic to my story. If they didn't push the story forward, I saw no reason to simply just write one out of 10 of my characters as gay. I also pointed out that most of my plays were only 4 or five characters and would ask if they expected me to, in a five character play, make one character bisexual to comply with this arbitrary 10% rule, or if I should keep tabs from play to play, and once I have reached 10 characters, make the tenth gay. I usually got agitated responses when asking these questions, and too many would simply just dismiss me as being "homophobic".

I fully understand the O.P.s frustrations, just as I fully understand many peoples frustrations with the religious zealots. In the end, if both Christians and gays want to have parades, and want to hold press conferences drawing attention to themselves, and flaunt their nature, this is fine with me. However, when any person, regardless of their cause, begins preaching to me that I am obligated to acknowledge some sort of special right that belongs to them solely because of their peculiar proclivities, then my tolerance turns to zero.

I am, first and foremost, an advocate for freedom, and if people cannot understand that pleading for legal rights, or civil rights is a pleading for tyranny this is not just their problem, they are making it my problem, your problem, and every single person in a state, nation, or the planet's problem. Be Christian, be gay, be straight, be atheist, be whatever you want that causes no harm, but be a petty tyrant, and now I have an issue with it. Petty tyrants come in all shape and sizes, some are Christian, some agnostic, some atheist, some straight, and some gay. Whatever bent they take is irrelevant, if they insist on tyranny they are harmful and dangerous.

I cannot stress this enough, all people everywhere have the same universal unalienable rights, and if those rights are being abrogated and/or derogated, it matters not why they are being trampled upon, only that they are being trampled upon. No act of legislation can prevent two people from getting married, nor can any act of legislation force a church to marry those they believe are not deserving of the sacred bond of marriage. No act of legislation can prevent a person from earning an honest living based upon their bent, and no act of legislation can force another person to hire someone whose bent is incompatible with theirs.

No one deserves to be unduly harmed, and people do not have to accept ideologies not compatible with their own. This is what it means to be free.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Drezden
It's hard to discuses the inequality of rights without discussing the reason for it.

If people wanted homosexuals to keep their discussions behind closed doors, then they wouldn't try to keep them from getting married or having benefits, which brings the discussion into public view. This thing goes both ways. If people give them what they want, and what is fair, the discussion ends.

Though I agree that it's unnecessary for a gay person to be in peoples faces for just the fact of them being gay. Though I don't see many of them doing that without asking for equal rights and treatment in the same sentence. There are more people getting wider media attention for declaring homosexuality a sin than there are homosexuals declaring that they are gay just for the sake of it.

This topic in general reminds me of a horse I had as a child, it's been dead for a while though. : (
edit on 3/22/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)


Bull, there has been a parade in Chicago for as long as I can remember way before the marriage issue, I would accept the parade if they wouldnt wear chaps with the ass cheeks hanging out and dry humping each other on a float.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
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Acceptance of homosexuality is following the same pattern as acceptance of race - it's gonna take a long time to stamp out the inequalities and fears, but generation by generation - YOU, the terrified few will get fewer and fewer until your as exinct as the dinosaurs and simply a footnote in history, an echo of a more primative time.


I think that homosexuals are accepted by society as a whole.

The problem isn't people being gay. The problem is that some homosexuals make such a big deal out of their homosexuality.

Why are some gays so proud of being gay and demand attention from others on that basis? I'm hetrosexual and I don't demand attention because of that.

Perhaps some gays are doing more harm than good to gay rights by being so militant and proud about being gay.

Really, who cares if someone is gay?

No one really, not until some gays insist on making their homosexuality a big issue to everyone else.

I think many people resent the demand for attention as if gays were special. They aren't. They are just gay.

The problem with this mindset is you're just making stereotypical blanket statements. I would guarantee you that you come in contact with gay people on a daily basis -- only you have no idea that they actually are gay, because they don't broadcast it to everyone around them.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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You are so right! I myself am gay, but I'm not into gay pride (only cause I don't like people lol), have no problem with it. Once we become equal in all ways, there will be no need for a gay pride!



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Being gay is NOT a choice. Being gay is about who you are attracted to. You can not control that. Yes, you CAN control who have sex with but why should straight people have the freedom to be attracted to the opposite sex and have sex with them and the gay people don't have their freedom to do the same. Why should it be any different for them?

You could say because of your "bible" or whatever, but that's YOUR religion. That are many others that accept homosexuality, and we already explained how homosexuality is natural (of nature) so what other excuse is there?

Why hide behind these façades instead of just straight out admitting that you don't like gay people because you find them disgusting?

The truth of the matter is, everyone has the right to be proud of their sexuality whether straight, gay, or bi. Everyone has their preferences and what is not preferable will probably be seen as nasty but it doesn't matter because that is a PERSONAL thing that helps you define what YOU are attracted to. It doesn't matter if you are straight and feel nasty of gay sex, because that helps you to realize that you are indeed straight, and likewise for gays. Just live your life, know your preferences and let others do the same. If someone's religious beliefs is that gay people can get married, then why not? Shouldn't all people have freedom to their religious practices and beliefs?

If their is a priest that doesn't want to marry a gay couple - fine. They can just find someone who does want to. Simple logic.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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100% Agree. You sexual preference is nobody's business.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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The line is crossed if I try to incite hatred or violence against group "A" or if I post in a mocking or spiteful manner about them.

There is a difference between hate speech and discussion. Hate speech is not allowed here. But discussion is. If a subject seems to be on the border of these two things, staff will discuss it and try to reach a consensus. If the majority feels that it is hate speech, then the offending material is removed. If the consensus is that it is discussion then the material is left standing and staff keeps a close eye on it to ensure that it does not degrade into hate speech.


Last time I will comment on this, and then I will leave it alone, I just want to express my opinion on one other thing...Because in a lot of these threads I have heard people call gay people things like "sick & disgusting", "pedophiles", "mentally unstable/ill" etc...I know these are all "opinions", but in my own opinion, if the same were said about black people or women, or jews etc. I think that would definitely fall under hate/mocking speech. To me it just seems that there's been a lot of these threads lately and in my opinion, I don't know if they are serving the purpose for debate or discussion, but rather seem to be more so people can express their "disgust" and mocking towards gay people...especially this thread, which just seems to be a call to tell gay people to "be quiet" (hush up) rather than any call for debate or discussion. Obviously ATS should do what they think is best and I think most of the moderating I have seen on this site has been pretty excellent and I'm glad to know that the mods are at least keeping a close eye on these things. Again, I just wanted to express my opinion on this, and now I'll leave it alone.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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I'm not sure what the difference is between Homosexuals in chaps parading down the street, and women flashing their breasts for beads during Mardi Gras or Carneval. I'm pretty sure there's plenty of drunk couples going at it on the sidewalks and in the alleys. Let's not pretend like the Heterosexuals are any more 'prim and proper'.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Absolutely brilliant! Bravo! It is SO true! Bible? What utter bullsh&t! Bible thumpers...don't get em??



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by paratus


Homosexual is not natural.
Natural?


You say this, but then go on to say that it happens in nature?
Natural .. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Homosexual behavior, as well as all behavior, takes place in response to all manner of variables, some biological, some social. Given a specific set of variables, gay is the natural result. A + B + D + E +F = GAY



However in the eyes of a child, you can see that they have an evolutionary sense when they see 2 humans of the same sex "together" that it makes them uneasy and that they can tell that it is not normal or natural.


Your "sense" of evolution is not real. And most kids I knew growing up and have known since have no such response towards same sex couples. That uneasy feeling you have when you see two humans of the same sex "together" is a natural response for you to have, but it is not normal.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:29 PM
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Hey Helios! I just noticed, by your avatar it says your location is "behind you". Behind me? Dude, that is so GAY!!! I don't stand for no ass piracy on my ship...DO YOU DIG?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleSun
If I ever want a Caucasian Pride day, or a Heterosexual Pride parade, I'd be labeled bigot, racist and everything else. Someone very close to me that works for the Federal Government told me that in my lifetime, the most discriminated person will be a straight, white male with how things will be shaping in the future. I cannot wait until 2050 when the "hispanics" are the majority race and then I can finally start using all the minority rights!!!

There isn't a white straight male pride, because the world is already run by you. You are not discriminated against, you have all your legal rights. Gay folks do not, and have been persecuted, bullied, harrassed, tortured and murdered.

Having gay Pride isn't shoving it in your face, it's just an annual celebration of difference - you and everyone else gay or straight is actually invited to the party if you can just, you know, chill the hell out and stop being such a scaredy cat about people who aren't a mirror image of yourself.




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