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Topic started on 22-7-2004 @ 09:47 AM by LadyV
Thought this might be of interest....The Christian community tends to put down Goddess bassed religions a "evil"

Here is an exerpt from, The Hebrew Goddess:
northernway.org/hgoddess.html
Asherah, the Shekinah, consort and beloved of Yahweh. God-the-Mother. Her sacred pillars or poles once stood right beside Yahweh's altar, embracing it. Moses and Aaron both carried one of these Asherah "poles" as a sacred staff of power. The Children of Israel were once dramatically healed simply by gazing at the staff with serpents suspended from it. This symbol, the snakes and the staff, has become the modern universal symbol for doctors and healers.* Asherah was also widely known in the Middle Eastern ancient world as a Goddess of Healing. Then She was removed forcibly from the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures around 400 or 500 B.C. Her priestesses & priests, known by the headbands they wore, worshiped on hill-tops, such as Zion, Mount of Olives, Har Megiddo and countless others. Daughter of Zion, a term found numerous times in the Old Testament, was perhaps a term for a priestess of Asherah. As the "official" state worship became increasingly male oriented, and the establishment became hostile toward all forms of Asherah worship, a time of conflict and bloodshed lasting over a hundred years began. Those that still clung to Her worship paid the price with their lives at the hands of King Josiah and other rabid Yahwists. (Story in the Old Testament). But She could not be torn from the hearts and souls of Her people. (Go to the site to read more...)

Also, I found this reference to the Goddess online: Asherah was a goddess popular with the ancient Israelites, despite their priests' call to remain loyal to Yahweh. Biblical prophets condemn her repeatedly under the name Ashtoreth; it is the use of this name, a seeming combination of Asherah and Astarte, which has caused so much confusion for modern scholars. Click for Source.www.pantheon.org/articles/a/asherah.html

Asherah and Ashtoreth:
www.oldtestamentstudies.net/languages/asherahandashtoreth.html
The two names Asherah and Ashtoreth appear very similar in English translations, but differ rather more in the Hebrew. This page discusses some of the issues surrounding these names.

From The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.:
www.bartleby.com/65/as/Asherah.html
Asherah or Asheroth, Canaanite fertility goddess and the wooden cult symbol that represented her. She is the consort of El in the Ugaritic texts. Several passages in the Bible may refer to the planting of a tree as a symbol of Asherah, or the setting up of a wooden object as an asherah--the Hebrew words for "tree" and "wood" are the same.

Another site on ´Athirat (Ugarit), ´Asherah (Hebrew).www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2938/majdei.html#Asherah


reply posted on 22-7-2004 @ 12:42 PM by Leveller
We've been discussing this in another thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Asheroth is the wife of El. El was the Canaanite high god on which Yahweh was probably based.

Raphael_UO doesn't agree. But then nobody is perfect!!!


reply posted on 22-7-2004 @ 07:24 PM by Amadeus
There is also the technical term "Monolatry" i.e. devotion to a god but not denying other gods---which is DIFFERENT from MONOTHESIM (belief in the existence of ONLY one god exclusively).

In the Hebrew book of Judges, chapter 11:23/24 the Moabite clan-god Chemosh is specifically mentioned as "the god of Moab", and the Moabites belong to him:

QUOTE : Judges 11:23 "If now YHWH the clan god of Israel, has cleared the Amorites out of the way of his own people, are you to dislodge Israel?

Should you not possess that which your god Chemosh gave you to possess, and should we not possess all that our clan god Yahweh, has cleared out for us? " UNQUOTE

Which shows that in PRE EXILIC ISRAEL, many gods were worshipped and acknowledged to have their own "chosen" people.

However AFTER THE BABYLONIAN EXILE (BC 587 to 521), when the 4 hardliner Yahwistic priestly families returned to Persian Controlled Palestine, they came up with a "monotheistic" clan god formula :

"Yahweh is our Clan God: Yahweh alone. "

(the socalled Shema' which some people in English read as: "the Lord our god the Lord is one" for some strange reason) and placed into the Mouth of Moses in Deuteronomy chapter 6 (the fifth book of the Torah was written in the same style as the Hebew book of Jeremiah and Baruch the Scribe, e.g. c. BC 550).

So the ancient "Israelites/Judaeans" were NOT in any way shape or form monotheists until AFTER the Exile (i.e. AFTER BC 521) and when they did decide to become monotheistic, it was the Yahwistic priests who won the day, to the exclusion of all other cults which had been visciously supressed (cf: allong the same lines as the brutal killing off of Yahweh's rival cult of Baal that Elijah dealt with, in I Kings 18).

Prior to the Exile we could possibly argue for Monolatry, but certainly not Monotheism.

At Elephantine in Egypt there is a temple to YHWH dated during the time of Mannasseh (around 850 BC) which was dedicated to Yahweh, Baal and Asherah, with the same dimensions as Solomon's Temple.....

This suggests that the Israelite Priests who fled there during the Mannassan persecution continued to worship the same way they did on the "mainland at home in Palestine...but notice: THREE GODS not just one! That's because it was a PRE EXILIC cult centre.

And there have been a number of Israelite inscriptions found to be dated around 780 BC which use the phrase "we swear by Baal, El, Yahweh and his Asherah" (the socalled Pithos A fragment)which seems to mean "Asherah" the Syrian Love Goddess was regarded in some way as Yahweh's "consort".

Just a little FYI


reply posted on 22-7-2004 @ 08:57 PM by AmethystWolf
Its true, many religions worshiped the goddess. In fact, I've read that Mary was a concession to keep the pagans appeased when patriarcle Christianity took over. Mary's role was basically that of token Goddess to ease the transition, and help convert the pagans.

Its a shame that they had to desexualize her for her to qualify. Imacculate conception?? yeah right. In order for a woman to be seen as powerful or sacred in this male dominated religion, she had to be stripped of her power and sexuality.

In ancient religions, a woman's sexuality and power was revered and respected. What a shame things changed. I wonder how our world would be different today if things were less patriarcle - if more of the feminine energy had survived the crusades?


www.christiancourier.com...

The world of sectarianism has long operated on the premise that Christianity may “change” as circumstances demand. Catholicism employed this rationale as the basis upon which it adopted many pagan practices (e.g., the use of the Rosary, the worship of the Virgin Mary, etc.) in order to attract heathen converts (Mosheim, p. 105). Allegedly, this made the pagan feel more comfortable in his new “Christian” environment. The Roman Church makes no apology for the fact that she can modify her doctrine as the times or culture changes. Many can remember when it was considered sinful for Catholics to eat meat on Friday. Today, it is not even a matter of conversational interest among many.



www.themystica.com... story.html

Even though the Church attempted to completely abolish Goddess worship it never successfully did so. Remanents of it remained within the hearts of the people. An example of such devotion is seen within the actions of the people during the Church Council of Ephesus (432 AD). Until Christianized Ephesus had been a sacred city where the Divine Mother was worshiped by "all Asia and the world" (Acts 19:27). Also in this city of Ephesus, as elsewhere, she was called Mother of Animals. "Her most famous Ephesus image had a torso covered with breasts, showing her ability to nurture the whole world." During this council of bishops people rioted in the streets demanding the worshipping of the Goddess be restored. The prime candidate was Mary, the Virgin and Mother of Christ. The bishops conceded so far in allowing Mary to be called the Mother of God, but the forbade her to be called Mother Goddess or Goddess.

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