Jesse Ventura Wakes up the Audience on "The View" , page 9

Originally posted by tracehd1
reply to post by skeptic_al

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I don't get your comment? I despise the View and Despise most of the people that watch it because that means they agree with most of the dis-info on that show. HOWEVER: Some people really believe their Country would NEVER do what they're doing.

It's like a faith thing. Omg... could you imagine if it came out that Jesus didn't walk on water? People need as I do to believe in something. Something good.

Jesse doesn't need to talk to the people that have *woken Up*. We've already started the grieving process for the continued death of our Constitution, our rights, our minds. Jesse needs to talk to people just like the *The ViewSheePle* Even if 1 person from that audience get's it... or get's sooo pissed off that they post the video everywhere and Jesse wakes up more people.

It's quite simple, right?

I like Ventura, don't agree with his choice to chew the fat with.

The View is nothing but a really bad joke
They get people on to talk about serious subjects and all they're interested
in is what di chalie sheen said or what's Paris Hilton is not wearing.

And Jon Stewart, I like but
He always takes a serious subject and turns it into a Musical Comedy

I'll add some Others
Fox & Friends, what a bunch of over paid brain dead drongoes that have
absolutely no Idea what is happening outside their own studio.

Glenn Beck, e'nuf said about that

reply to post by ThirdEyed

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Yes I have to agree with most that replied to your post. He's doing a fantastic job.... he's not just out there running his mouth...That's when people question things... He show's us the Money!!! He lays down the black and white facts...proof. He's waken a lot of people up because for someone like Jesse who was a Gonvn/ special navy forces...etc..etc... people respect him. If he's saying it...maybe it something they should look into and examine his facts...

reply to post by skeptic_al

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I get what you're saying..without a doubt! Those shows and the people behind them are garbage...but..the fact remains people watch them! Those are the people we are fighting to wake up. Again..you don't preach to the people that already get it... you preach to the people that don't.. and hopefully the ones you smartin up, tells their friends and their friends and so on...........................

I've opened a lot of people's eyes to what happened. *people that are Republican I've opened there eyes...* GOD.. I deserve a purple heart for that one... hahahahah~

thanx skep

reply to post by jessejamesxx

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Your post is insulting...



If I'm understanding what you're saying... because he was in the WWF (or whatever) he's a clown? He couldn't become President and do a good job?? What are you saying to people..? He was a wrestler so therefore??? He was a wrestler and he lost his mind? If anything you make his case...cuz he WOULD KICK all their ass's and body slam Bush/Obama right out the door...!!!

The Moral to the story is this........ People do things in their lives ... they grow up and start doing other things... sometimes people do really really bad things and then change themselves around and start becoming what this society needs them to be... People aren't perfect... people continue to grow and learn...

reply to post by tracehd1

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I dont trust Jesse "the body" Ventura anymore than i trust Alex Jones.

Some of you people are ridiculously naive. Obviously, the result of ignorance of how the world really works.

Simply reading philosophical texts like Nietzsche, Spinoza, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Bacon, or for that matter, lookng up the religion Alex Jones' prodigious Texan family upholds (he claims his family were one of the original founders of Texas) Calvinism, will graduate you to a more sophisticated understanding of the world.

People never want to understand that. It is nothing else but cognitive dissonance to want to trust Jesse Ventura. Frankly, a Former Navy seal, radical leftist wrestler, governor of minnisota, and now conspiracy 'exposer' should be enough to indicate that this guy is simply an opportunist.

Philosophy is where the answer lies. Because i have bothered to study philosophy: both religious and secular, i now understand that unfortunately, appearances are designed to be decieving.

The people in power DO NOT have a conentional, judeo-christian system of morality. Good, is not always what it appears on the surface, and same with evil. lying, can serve a good end, and therefore justify the act of lying.

I have no definitive proof that Jesse Ventura is lying, but nonenthless i assume he is. I base this assumpion on the reality of the gnostic/pagan religious disposition of the establishment.

reply to post by dontreally

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funny you mention philosophy as I have been recently exploring Leibniz, Hegel and Neoplatonism in order to explore this from another angle. I was amazed at what I found. So much that is is put out there for us to 'eat' is just empty calories to keep us distracted from the real meal.

reply to post by irsuccubus

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Leibniz and Hegel are very good reads. Though, i think to get a deeper look you should read Machiavelli (also read strauss' 'thoughts on machiavelli'), Thomas Hobbes Leviatan and Nietzche. CG Jung, HG Wells, Marinetti, Orwell, William James, also give you a very clear picture.

In the end, it all can be traced back to Machivaelli, and his contemporary Francis Bacon. Both were philosophers who dealt with political realities. Both were very much influenced by the pagan traditions of Rome (and thus the Neoplatonists, gnostics etc) and were interested in resurrecting those ancient conditions, albeit, as Machiavelli explained in a "new mode and order".

Governments arent interested in being just, but as Leo Strauss explains, a "judicious combination of justice and injustice". They are naturalists. Just as nature is both good and evil, and likewise man, so to will his government be good and evil. Evil, for creating "new modes and orders", and good for maintaining those orders.

This is why Machiavelli specifically attacks the bible and in his 'discourses on the first 10 books of livy", treats livys history of ancient rome with the authority of the bible. Livy is his portal into the ancient Roman/Pagan order, the pre-biblical order, an order which was typified by politics, liberalism, and essentially the same social values held today.

Whats happening today, happened in the ancient Roman empire. The downfall of Rome Machiavelli explains was its multiculturalism, which it failed to control. This same multiculturalism affects us today (in regards to western countries. This being especially pronounced with large populations of Muslims in America, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Canada, Australia). The leaders know full well that theyre simply replaying an old process that was played out 2000 years ago in Roman Times.

Likewise, the Romans were masters of using rhetoric, often calling for 'peace' between two enemies, as a way to control both groups and continue the conflict between them (see Israel/Palestine conflict as the pristine example. Peace talks which began in the 60s and continue till this day, with no progress, but infact, degeneration)

reply to post by dontreally

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I will have to expand my reading to include Machiavelli and totally agree about Wells and Orwell who were in my library before I even had an inkling of the doings behind the curtain.

i dont know if this was noticed by anyone else but i saw this exact same thread like 5 months ago but it is good to see it is still a point of interest ;p
original thread

reply to post by irsuccubus

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Machiavelli is one of the deepest thinkers i have ever studied.

He wrote his prince in 26 chapters; the 26th of which deals specifically with the new 'prince' or monarch. Essentially, the new mode and orders he came to establish (he thought of himself very much as an unarmed prophet).

26, if you arent aware, is the numerical value of G-ds name in the Hebrew language (YHVH). It is also the value of God in English.

He in other words was interested in transferring the power from G-d, that is, biblical ethics, morality, and conscience, to man; with his sinfulness, capriciousness, and desire for glory/power.

Leo Strauss alludes to this in his thoughts on Machiavelli. He mentions the importance of numbers to machiavelli and how he employs this throughout his writings. Of particular significance is 26. 26 in the discourses deals with the subject matter of the prince (that is, a monarchy, as opposed to a republic). He goes on and on an about 26, without ever explaining what Machiavelli meant by employing the number 26.

Obviously mentioning a mystical idea like Gematria was a little esoteric for his treatise.

If you want to better understand Machiavelli, i suggest you pick up strauss 'thoughts on Machiavelli". A very interesting read.

reply to post by GlennCanady

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i really fell sorry people that believe everything the government says

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by GlennCanady

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i really fell sorry people that believe everything the government says

Ignorance is bliss to them.

reply to post by GlennCanady

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I don't normally like writing hey that was fantastic thanks for sharing posts. But I have to this time, thank you! Being in Australia i do not know a lot of US history but that Thomas Jefferson quote he used is amazing and something I will always remember. Jesse, if he ever reads this we have a saying here from a now dead political party and i think you are upholding it. "Keep the Bastards honest!" Thankyou!

reply to post by dwmjr1985

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Those who profess such a retardedly stupid doctrine are always the first to fall, and the weakest and most ill prepared in the face of evil.

Wisdom, is knowing and preparing for the future. Meaning, Wisdom necessitates knowledge.

Any person who chooses ignorance to knowledge is so deserving of what will come to him.

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