reply to post by irsuccubus
Leibniz and Hegel are very good reads. Though, i think to get a deeper look you should read Machiavelli (also read strauss' 'thoughts on
machiavelli'), Thomas Hobbes Leviatan and Nietzche. CG Jung, HG Wells, Marinetti, Orwell, William James, also give you a very clear picture.
In the end, it all can be traced back to Machivaelli, and his contemporary Francis Bacon. Both were philosophers who dealt with political realities.
Both were very much influenced by the pagan traditions of Rome (and thus the Neoplatonists, gnostics etc) and were interested in resurrecting those
ancient conditions, albeit, as Machiavelli explained in a "new mode and order".
Governments arent interested in being just, but as Leo Strauss explains, a "judicious combination of justice and injustice". They are naturalists.
Just as nature is both good and evil, and likewise man, so to will his government be good and evil. Evil, for creating "new modes and orders", and
good for maintaining those orders.
This is why Machiavelli specifically attacks the bible and in his 'discourses on the first 10 books of livy", treats livys history of ancient rome
with the authority of the bible. Livy is his portal into the ancient Roman/Pagan order, the pre-biblical order, an order which was typified by
politics, liberalism, and essentially the same social values held today.
Whats happening today, happened in the ancient Roman empire. The downfall of Rome Machiavelli explains was its multiculturalism, which it failed to
control. This same multiculturalism affects us today (in regards to western countries. This being especially pronounced with large populations of
Muslims in America, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Canada, Australia). The leaders know full well that theyre simply replaying an old process that
was played out 2000 years ago in Roman Times.
Likewise, the Romans were masters of using rhetoric, often calling for 'peace' between two enemies, as a way to control both groups and continue the
conflict between them (see Israel/Palestine conflict as the pristine example. Peace talks which began in the 60s and continue till this day, with no
progress, but infact, degeneration)
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