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The "If everyone was gay we wouldn't have children" argument

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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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Double-post.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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It's important to note that not all those who are critical of homosexuality are inspired by religion.
Not by a long shot, I would assume.
I, for one, am as agnostic as it gets.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Double post.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Whilst I don't particularly like the argument portrayed in the opening post... there are some other points I would like to mention.

1. ''Gays are shoveing their lifestyle on us, it's all over tv''....okay then, turn on your television and count EVERY single sexual encounter, from a loving hug right up to sex on that channel throughout the day. Now so long as you didn't forget to turn over from homosexual pornography...I'm betting there were more heterosexual encounters. Therefore it is us straight people shoving our lifestyle upon other people.

2. " The Bilbe says blah blah blah" .... Doesn't it also say God will forgive our sins?...Doesn't the Lords prayer say 'Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us'? So you expect God will forgive your sins but not the sins of others? Didn't God also create us all...and yet many scientists seem to agree people may well be born gay and have no choice...so that would mean God made them to be gay.

I want to point out here that I am a Christian and DO NOT consider it a sin to be gay, I was simply using the word to fit in with those who do.

3. There would be no kids if we were all gay Fact.........I.V.F Fact.

4. I'm sure someone described it as being similar to paedophilia....
really? Yes sex between two legal aged males or females who both give their consent is exactly the same as an adult preyin on a pre-pubescent child....completely the same [/sarcasm]

5. It's not right or natural.... Why is it not right? Because it can't create children? Well then I do hope you have never masturbated, or used a condom, or received any sexual pleasure that wasn't sexual intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Otherwise you have nullified your own argument.

And isn't it natural?....fancy popping round and telling that to my three male dogs, because I think they missed that memo.

6. But he's gay, he probably fancies me....Don't flatter yourself. Do you fancy every woman you see....you do? Even that really old one in the corner who smells funny?....thought not
Well it works the same both ways. Gay men don't fancy every single man they meet.

I am straight...and a Christian...I had a gay friend and he fancied me for a while....I wasn't sickened, I treated it no different than a girl fancying me who I didn't fancy, there was nothing strange about it. How old are we all...We should be above choosing petty things to bully people by now.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Dogs (animals) do it??!!!? So000ooooooo, that makes it ok? I don't hate anyone and would give water to my worst enemy if he needed it. Nor do I fear anyone! (homophobe). But if you want to rebel against nature, get a room!



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Simply put, lesbians have kids all the time. Secondly, between 30-75% of dolphins and nearly all bonobos engage in homosexual sexual acts, and their species are doing just fine. So yeah, the whole "gays can't have kids thing" as an argument against homosexuality is just illogical. Furthermore same sex parenting couples can be found in nature as well.

Sources:
www.nhm.uio.no...
www.nhm.uio.no...

Plenty more where that came from (I just posted about 15 more links in another thread where people were spouting much of the same nonsense)...get over it people, homosexuality is natural = found in nature, it's an accepted scientific fact. Often it's the majority of the animal species (75-99% of the animals) engaging in homosexual sex (not just a fluke few animals). Homosexual behavior also has been proven to have evolutionary advantages. Furthermore the behavior is widespread throughout the animal kingdom and takes on many different forms.


homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[1][2] Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied.[3] According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity — including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex — than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept.


en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by murphy22
Dogs (animals) do it??!!!? So000ooooooo, that makes it ok? I don't hate anyone and would give water to my worst enemy if he needed it. Nor do I fear anyone! (homophobe). But if you want to rebel against nature, get a room!


THAT doesn't make it okay....but it does show that it happens in nature. And thus against your statement homosexuality would NOT be rebelling against nature. Rather embracing the fact that it happens throughout many speicies, and is therefore not completely unnatural.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by murphy22
Dogs (animals) do it??!!!? So000ooooooo, that makes it ok? I don't hate anyone and would give water to my worst enemy if he needed it. Nor do I fear anyone! (homophobe). But if you want to rebel against nature, get a room!


Your committing a logical fallacy. Dogs also eat food and urinate which humans also do too. No one is saying that humans should emulate animals 100%. We are merely pointing out to all those people who say "the gay is unnatural" that it is indeed very natural and very widespread and common in nature. So, contrary to what you might *think* being gay is not "rebelling against nature". See the links I just posted in another comment, of which there are many more where that came from.

And by the way, in regard to telling gay people to "get a room", why only gay people? Do you just have a problem with public displays of affection among gay people? But with straight folks you're perfectly fine with it? Please clarify yourself, because, yeah, no offense, but you do come across as a bit ignorant. (Since basically your comment is a little like saying "Gay people are gross & unnatural, but I'm not afraid of anyone, nor am I a homophobe!")

Edit: Lol, I just saw that StevenDye (above), just pointed out basically the same thing I did.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Im lesbian.. and I will tell you that my parents and their catholic church community/group of professional haters are the first ones to say homosexuals are "immoral". It is obvious to me that they feel this way bc they did things the way they were told their whole lives and they need something to be right about now bc they are not enjoying their lives and are always in a state of duality (right and wrong) that they are bein controlled by by an outside judge. Love is love its not abt sex. EVOLVE!! stop being so angry and mean just cuz u feel inadaquate.
And it is now possible scientifically(or at least on its due process to ecomin reality) to have two women or men have children together. They take one woman's skin cell and turn it into a sperm cell.
LOVE



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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In another thread, an opponent of gay marriage stated that homosexuals do not feel love for each other. Only "same sex attraction". Is this a common belief?


Originally posted by AngryOne
I, for one, am as agnostic as it gets.


Are you sure about that?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Reply to SoularE Souljah: hey my brother, if I made you laugh that makes me very happy. My attitude is live and let live. I don't give a rip about someone elses sexuality. It may not be my bag, but hey if it makes you happy...whatever. PEACE.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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All I see is "it isnt moral!" comments, why cant people just let other be who they are Ill never understand. You freaks actually think its moral to degrade and take the rights ect away from people just because their different than you???? Wow what the hell happend to empathy and compassion for others.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Animals also lick each others a**. Fight over mates. Eat their own sh**. When animals do the acts you reffer to it is to estabish dominance not as an act of love. I am sure some would consider all the above normal. Yeah, have fun with that! I don't like murders. Does that mean I have a phobis against murders? I don't like theaves. Do I have a phobia against thieves. That "Hommophobia" word is like a little kid that knows sniffing annoys an adult so they keep doing/using it just to buck the normal system of order. How big of them to think that folks fear them. LOL!



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Nebulous1973
its a disgusting mental disorder..


Are all "Mental disorders" gross to you? Or just being gay?

Would you say it is a disgusting mental disorder if we were talking about... a person who was mentally retarded? Do you think they are disgusting to? Or just gay people?

Come on, your prejudice is showing.... At least TRY to hide it.




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