China & Russia call for immediate cease-fire in Libya!

Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Sir, what the heck are you talking about? They didn't step up b/c they are allies or dependent on each other in some ways. That would be the same as saying "why didn't the US step up against the UK", well because we really can't afford to break down a relationship on such a major scale. Ya right what are you talking about. Stepping up would have been to place a vote. They did not for a reason. SISSY Typical to call foul on someone while sitting there sipping Stoli.

Furthermore, bringing up the issues Russia and China have are moot at this point. Doesn't EVERY country have issues you could point out? Like, for instance, I dunno, the United States collapsing economy? Why are WE sticking our noses in there if we have our own issues to deal with?

Also, what we did in Iraq was basically ruin their country. What we did over there is NOTHING to be proud of. Going in under false pretenses to oust a leader b/c of a personal vendetta is nothing short of psychotic. We are talking about russian and china sitting there doing nothing but cryiong. Well if they would of put up then I would not be telling them to shut up.

Now I have the right to tell them to shut up bedcasue they usually wait for conflict themn when the us steps in the supply arms to the enemy. Just like the russians will do. To bad they will be fighting with china to supply arms.

they all make me sick. And quite frankly I find it offensive that you people do not see it.


Listen your messia has spoken and you don't like what he is saying.

Well you voted for him TFB.
Live with it peeps.

China and russian lay their with their thumbs up the exit enjoying their comfort.

Well enjoy guys.

Oh and one last thing...I'm pretty sure the entire world considers Russia and China to be superpowers.

reply to post by asdeff3


Just about everything happening in global politics we know nothing about. As the New York Times so boldly states "all the news thats FIT to print". We know nothing and thats how they want it. We just wait to see what they do and then we know some things but never the true reasons. Disraeli the Israel former prime minister said it pretty good. "The world is governed by people that most other people have never heard of" something to that effect

reply to post by Rocky Black


Listen, I'm sorry and do not mean to be rude at all, but I cannot understand what you're trying to convey. An arms race to supply a mutual ally between Russia and China? That is highly unlikely and would only cause unnecessary tension between Russia and China.

Who is our Messiah? My Messiah is Jesus Christ, not Barack Obama or whoever else you may be referring to. I'm still a bit fuzzy on your message, but no one in their sane mind wishes for war or destruction. Not every American wants war and just because we have a leader who tends to get involved in places he shouldn't, doesn't mean we all agree with him.

reply to post by Pervius



I never insinuated we were.

why worry about their anti-aircraft carrier missles.... we dont have a carrier over there.... Besides, we have phalanx systems, which systematically shoot down incoming threats. I've worked on them, I know how well they really work We have a few subs and battleships over there, and enough power to take on the ship the chinese have sent over. They know they still need time to build their armies before attacking the U.S. but also know even better that if they just let us do our thing, we will destroy ourselves.

When I first read this story it had me laughing on the floor.... REALLY.... the chinese, and north koreans are going to tell us to worry about humanitarian issues? WOW... If you actually realized that the only civilians getting killed are the result of Gaddafi telling the loyalists to stack all over critical targets, then you would understand that it officially turns them into an enemy combatant. The U.S. has warned them what was going to be taken out, they have their chance to run for cover.

reply to post by NadaCambia


YOU MAY HAVE READ A HISTORY BOOK ON THE US... but i studied American history for 12 years... their have been small instances in the past of minor things happening by nervous soldiers but nothing of the magnitude you speak of.. The american army would never open up fire on a croud of american citizens... with bullets. You may see tear gas, salt rocks and beanie bag shotguns... nothing lethal .that some veteran protestors could not handle.. i think you speak out of bounds on America considering it says you live in the UK not the US... i was born and raised here ... Northern California... its not like the stuff you see on tv... not at all. I understand why you would be confused though...

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This link shows the 1992 LA riots... where are the hundreds dead? their are not... most anyone who knows LA is crazy as fu** and when anything pops off the gangsters and thugs come out of the woodworks and do their thing... 37 people sounds like 37 people werent paying attention to what was going on.No army slayings that you speak of... www.youtube.com...

Here we go again with everyone being scared of china. Stop this non-sense, the chinese know better than to attack a nation that will crush them under our boots. china may put on their "powerful" face to the world so they can appear to be a super power, but the chinese leadership knows the truth; and the truth is they are a nation of weak slaves, akin to the other2nd or 3rd countries in the world. I read one post that is scared of a chinese war ship in the Med. sea due to their missiles; come on give me a break, these may work against a civilian vessel (chinese love killing civilians, and have many times) but a United States war ship will blow these missiles out of the air. Either our SeaRAM Close-In Weapon System, Aegis-guided rockets, or known or unknown other counter measures. Between the Phalanx and guided missiles of the CIWS these little super power wannabes pose no threat to our Naval Vessels until at least 2020 if not longer. So lets stop building this nation and its tyrannical communist regime into something it isn't. The chinese are 30 years behind our military using mostly WW2 up to Cold War tech, especially their navy.

Again remember the chinese will not attack us, because they understand in doing so means their destruction. Russia and china will soon learn what the term Super Power really means, and that it doesn't describe them.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that we as Americans are no more free than the civilians in Libya. I didn't vote for this war. My congressman nor senator voted for this illegal, unconstitutional war.

Where is the outrage in America? If anybody is still stupid enough to believe that the united states resembles anything remotely related to a representative democracy then I am calling you a fool.

Our elected officials are working for profitteering corporations at best. I would not be surprised at the most outrageous, whacko ATS claims of satanic reptillian dark cabals burning black candles and drinking goats blood.

I am telling anybody that will listen that the situation is FUBAR. F'ed up beyond all recognition. What happened to that asshole Obama's pre-election promises of getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Even the douchebag democrats are standing in line to agree with Obama.

Killing people and blowing up their infrastructure does nothing to promote democracy. What's the point of having a free country if it's blown all to sht?

The shtbird republicans have been fighting for weeks to save $25B by getting rid of NPR, doing away with heating subsidies for the poor and busting unions yet we've already spent $250B I
On this fkd up war.

What's the point of paying taxes when they are wasted killing human beings? What's the point of voting when judges and governmental agencies don't prosecute scum like Goldman Sachs.

I see a wider picture coming together. Suddenly pieces are falling in place. Our government is doing everything in it's power to speed up the inevitable anarchy that will come about when the dollar crashes when gas hits $6/gal when a wave of fallout blankets the world infecting our food.

My worst case fears and paranoia are coming back. FEMA camps, global population reduction alien invasion false flags. What I am realizing is it is no longer possible to subdue humanity. Resources are running out. The earth is over polluted. The Internet has shown miserable third world peasants how well 10% of the population lives based on their work and they are starting to demand a bigger cut. I don't blame them.

Disclosure and the release of free energy devices would require a monumental effort by TPTB. It would undoubtedly lead to a more equitable distribution of resources at TPTB expense. It could even lead to short yet run away population growth that could further damage their planet.

They would rather kill us with any weapons necessary even if it means having to teraform the planet agAin. What is the seed vault for? What are the FEMA camps for? Don't you see?

I thought for years that love would triumph. That light destroys mold infected crevices but it ain't working. When CNN revealed 5,500 computers in the Pentagon had child porn on them, NOTHING HAPPENED!

I'm still praying and holding out what little hope I have left but I'm tired. I can't work any harder. It's becoming impossible to have a simple middle class existence in the US and harbor a dream of an annual vacation and sending kids to college. I am wondering just how long it will be till american militias start putting out the call for volunteers and there are cross hairs put on capitol hill and the white house.

Obama can go to hell. Congress can go to he'll and I hope the CIA, the NSA and every other federal agency be exposed to a mutated flesh eating virus that starts on their genitals.
THIS WAR IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL. Enough is enough

sparks to ignite world war 3 yo

When will some of you people wake up? Who supported the G man to get into power and stay in power? Who supported, trained and armed his army? Does the United States ring a bell? Does the fact that as a dictator for his whole term he was supported, fed money, weapons and more from the United States of America. America is NOT the knight in white shining armor. The same thing happened in Iraq, and Afghanistan. Remember Kosovo?

When people finally find the wisdom and the moral fortitude not to join the army then they can no longer play the people in their world domination for power and control. The sheisters will get theirs, so will their supporters. He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. He who leads into captivity will be led into captivity. Chew on that warmongers and get ready for your karma. God will NOT be mocked!

Well at least OBama has come right and stated no ground invasion....

Obama rules out 'land invasion' in Libya

Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by Rocky Black

 

Listen, I'm sorry and do not mean to be rude at all, but I cannot understand what you're trying to convey. An arms race to supply a mutual ally between Russia and China? That is highly unlikely and would only cause unnecessary tension between Russia and China.

This is me my comment here.....No not you, but the enept governments that I listed who sit there and do nothing..... But they jump right out and say oh civilians got killed because you shot off Tomohawks to take out his network of SAMS and COMMSwhich you agreed upon yes people manning that gear causualties of combat. Sorry yes this happens and civilians get hit too. yes I understand and have sympathy to any casualty is combat.

They are quick to judge there get it. but when it comes to his people it has been open season and not one of them spoke up. They call back door channels of communicating to the us and tell us to step in. We don't want any part of this . But get dragged in and then the judges come out after TSHTF and we take stuff out which they all know is standard ops for setting up a no fly zone.

The only way to enforce a no fly is to take out anything below it that is defensive/offensive/weaponry and then take out any air craft that enter it to attack civilians.



Who is our Messiah? My Messiah is Jesus Christ, not Barack Obama or whoever else you may be referring to. I'm still a bit fuzzy on your message, but no one in their sane mind wishes for war or destruction. Not every American wants war and just because we have a leader who tends to get involved in places he shouldn't, doesn't mean we all agree with him.

Me right here again....... Not your messia but the Messia that everyone voted for. The ones who voted for Mr Obama....

All his promises broken. Not to me but to his constituents.

Not tqalking about you so please no offense it is China and Russia. They are the ones who lay low and duck when the questions are asked about what is going on and who is going to go to their aid. Their like oh no that is wong question you need to ask that to the US.

Just saying.


SOmetimes the facts are what they are.

I just cannot believe the audacity of them.

Put up or STHU

reply to post by CuriousR


Because B2 are stealth they sometimes get escorted until they reach the East coast so that any one watching as you were can get eaily confused to whats actually going on. This is more aimed towords the enemy so that they cant guess as to when the B2's could be at there location.Im sure some of these planes are transporting supplies aslo. The larger plane could have been a C5 galexy which is a huge cargo transport plane we use.Just a thought. who knows it could be something totally different.

Watching CNN and fox news with Nik Roberson:libyan gov't unable to prove where all the civilian casualties are?

Good question where are the casualties they are talking about?These are precision guided missile's we spend billions of dollars to pin point these on to one location with Maximum damage and little collateral damage. Where is the pictures of the hospital that was bombed? If these are true im sure they would have pictures all over the news showing the slaughter the UN is causing.

Marcos...Noriega...Saddam...so many others...Gadafi

All CIA puppet leaders that left the ranch and got in trouble. This is documented.
Did you or your congressman vote to put any of these guys into power?

NO?

Then what makes you think you or your congressman get to vote for a war that removes them? The United States has not been a sovereign government for a very long time. I think that Government died when the Federal Reserve took our economy over.

reply to post by woghd


Some see that as merely cleaning house and taking out the trash.


Qaddafi isn't ours.
Reagan tried to kill him back in the 80s. No love-fest over Lockerbie.....
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Originally posted by TheMur
reply to post by CuriousR

 

Because B2 are stealth they sometimes get escorted until they reach the East coast so that any one watching as you were can get eaily confused to whats actually going on. This is more aimed towords the enemy so that they cant guess as to when the B2's could be at there location.Im sure some of these planes are transporting supplies aslo. The larger plane could have been a C5 galexy which is a huge cargo transport plane we use.Just a thought. who knows it could be something totally different.

Thanks for the reply. You are correct about the B-2's. Any time Ive seen a flyover by one at night it's usually accompanied by 2 or 3 jets. Cant say if they are fighters or not because they fly at higher at higher altitudes. This time was different though which was why it caught my attention. It was a like a covoy line of five B-2's that werent accompanied by anything this time. They were low enough that I could tell the shape, and their signature low rumble was apparent. I thought the bigger one might be a C5 when it was closer to the horizon, but once it got overhead the layout of the lights was all wrong. Picture a triangular craft with a light at the nose, and one on the tip of each wing, then two more lights directly behind the wing lights. Like a triangle with a perfect square behind it. I cant say for sure what it was, and Im not here to turn this into a UFO thread. Just surprised me seeing so much firepower in the air all headed in the same dirrection like that. Kind of like a "Time to bring out the big guns." type of sittuation.

Originally posted by TheMur
reply to post by CuriousR

 

Because B2 are stealth they sometimes get escorted until they reach the East coast so that any one watching as you were can get eaily confused to whats actually going on. This is more aimed towords the enemy so that they cant guess as to when the B2's could be at there location.Im sure some of these planes are transporting supplies aslo. The larger plane could have been a C5 galexy which is a huge cargo transport plane we use.Just a thought. who knows it could be something totally different.

Thanks for the reply. You are correct about the B-2's. Any time Ive seen a flyover by one at night it's usually accompanied by 2 or 3 jets. Cant say if they are fighters or not because they fly at higher at higher altitudes. This time was different though which was why it caught my attention. It was a like a covoy line of five B-2's that werent accompanied by anything this time. They were low enough that I could tell the shape, and their signature low rumble was apparent. I thought the bigger one might be a C5 when it was closer to the horizon, but once it got overhead the layout of the lights was all wrong. Picture a triangular craft with a light at the nose, and one on the tip of each wing, then two more lights directly behind the wing lights. Like a triangle with a perfect square behind it. I cant say for sure what it was, and Im not here to turn this into a UFO thread. Just surprised me seeing so much firepower in the air all headed in the same dirrection like that. Kind of like a "Time to bring out the big guns." type of sittuation.

Originally posted by iniciate35761
Watching CNN and fox news with Nik Roberson:libyan gov't unable to prove where all the civilian casualties are?

Good question where are the casualties they are talking about?These are precision guided missile's we spend billions of dollars to pin point these on to one location with Maximum damage and little collateral damage. Where is the pictures of the hospital that was bombed? If these are true im sure they would have pictures all over the news showing the slaughter the UN is causing.

Exactly there are none


China & Russia called for a cease-fire based on lies/propaganda coming from Gaddafi


Coalition Bomber/fighter jets are being very very cautious in picking target also there have be quiet a few mission aborted now due to civilian's being in close proximity to the target, the coalition is not going to risk giving Gaddafi any form of reason to open his big mouth and if he does he need to show proof of it, so far there has been no proof in anything he has said in the past 3 weeks

Any more news on this situation all news channels seem to have either not reported it or stopped reporting it???

It was just two weeks ago that the very same 2 countries were telling "the west" not to get involved in this mess. Countries are taking sides.... hopefully nothing comes of it, but WW1 "put into motion" based on an assassination (Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, of course thats just the excuse that was used to go to war.)