reply to post by jude11
Personally speaking, and imo all politics are local. There is no way that China and Russia did not know what the resolution conained. I think this is
a back channel agreement between the US and other nations who wanted a UN Resolution that allowed airstrikes with Russia and China.
In order to get those 2 countries, in addition to the other 3 who so far are quiet, to abstain from the vote, I think this was the agreement. Abstain
and a few days after the air strikes commence, China and Russia get to complain about it, calling for a cease fire / end of airstrikes.
It lets both countries save face, on both fronts, by allowing the UN Resolution while at the same time being able to criticise the coalition
It almost looks like a little bit of geopolitical Good cop Bad cop. In this case the UN forces will be the bad cop, and Russia and China will come
forward playing the good cop and backing one of their "allies". I see the hostilities with UN forces quickly dieing down, and I see Russia and China
playing a key role in getting Ghadaffi to step down and leave.
As people on this site are so fond of pointing out about allies of convience / resources, this is no different. China and Russia are allies of Libya
for the same reason we are allies of Bahrain, convience and foriegn policy.
The one major difference between the era of the Cold War and now are how the relationships between countries play out. Gone is the day of being allied
in what was perceived as a good guy vs bad guy mentality. Now we have have African, South American, Eastern European as well as Central and South East
Asian countries doing business with all sides based on their own countries needs.
Example: As much as Chavez hates the US Government, as as much as the US Government is annoyed with him, and putting aside all of the back and forth
between the 2, the US still remains a large purchaser of their oil, and Venezuela still sells it to us.
Regardless of the countries makeup (democracy, communist, socialist, theocracy etc, the focus is now on the individual countries and the best deal for
their people (I dont fault them for that... I wish my Government, the US, would do the same).
What we are seeing, again imo, is the end of what we perceive as democracy and capitalism and open markets, into a world of the same terms, but
applied in a different method than before.
I origionally dimissed the analysis that pressure was building in some countries, but the more I see, the more I can see the analysis playing out. I
thin the days of one or a few countries controlling the board is overwith. Even with the Rise of China and Russia, I cant see it being like it was
during the coldwar. I think instead of a few countries playing world cop, the department so to speak will be expanding.
I think for the better...