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CNN accuses Fox News of 'outrageous' lie over 'human shields' in Libya

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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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I would agree with that. But with respect to this particular situation, Fox didn't even send their journalist or camera person, because they felt it was a fluffy photo op, or something to that extent, they then go on to claim that the journalists that did go were being used by Gaddafi as human shields. It is an outrageous lie, and they need to be called on it.




posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Or maybe they were the only one putting 2 and 2 together, and didn't want to be used as human shields at a government facility? Hardly seems like a fluffy photo opportunity to me



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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I certainly won't argue any of these clips. I've caught more than these few myself. Mostly I see exaggerations that are all but lies. A left winger gives a little shove or rough bump into a Tea Partier and before you know it it's an all out attack! I also take serious issue with some of Fox's analysts and "guests". Several are disgraced and should not be on ANY news channel. In fact, some should be in jail!! When it comes down to it, you make your own decisions on what is news worthy and what is entertainment. Just like everything else in life, take it with a grain of salt.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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I'm not sure I'm understanding the logic of your statement completely. If the reporters that did go went voluntarily, then that negates the fact that no one will bomb a building with reporters in it? If I, as an innocent bystander, willingly agree to stand in front of an armed gunman as he makes his escape from a bank robbery does that make me less of a human shield? Please forgive if I'm misunderstanding your point.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
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What exactly do people base that conclusion on? If someone could give me some examples of where Fox has mislead the public, lied, etc? I dont do this to defend them, but I am curious where people get there information form.

All the outlets have their issues, just curious why people seem to single out FoxNews.


Can't really believe you just opened that door. Fox News has been caught lying so many times, I don't even know where to start. I thought about embedding some videos regarding Fox News being caught in lies but there were just too many to choose from, so I decided instead, to just provide some links for your viewing pleasure. Here goes;

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As I'm sure you know, there's plenty more where those came from.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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I'm not going to say anything towards the validity of these claims but I can also do a google search "CNN caught lying". Here's some highlights! (sorry. not a big youtuber so you'll have to read these instead) Did someone say something about Fox not being a legitimate news source but somehow YouTube is? I'll make a mental note of that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.facebook.com...
digg.com...

As already stated, I am a Fox watcher. That doesn't give me rose colored glasses to my particular news channel. I will readily admit that Fox does some twisting, manipulation and outright lies from time to time. It's about time that we all see news for what it is. Reality TV. Don't think your news channel is better than mine because they are all the same. Some just lean more left....
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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And can I also say, that since I love you guys so much, on my IPhone, ATS is my first news site as I usually hear it here first! Then when it's announced on MSM a week later I can tell my husband, "I told you so! Conspiracy theorists aren't as crazy as you want me to think!!"



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by Larrelye
Fox News is lying to me!? They are misrepresenting facts!? This is outrageous!

Ok. In all seriousness. Reporters led into a government facility makes that building ineligible for bombing. Equals, human shields. Of course that is a sensationalized statement, but it doesn't make it untrue.

On the other issue being brought up. Fox News is a news organization. They report news to me as well as their opinion. Why do I personally choose Fox? Because their opinions generally reflect my own and other news channels do not. Should I say that MSNBC and CNN are not news organizations because they cater to their audience and report/have opinions that mirror their base? Let's get real. It's ALL entertainment. If it wasn't, they wouldn't be on TV and no one would want to watch if they were. Bashing Fox is like bashing Americans. It's cool because they have been on top for a while now. If most of the American news watching public chooses Fox, doesn't that at least lend credence to the "fact" that most of the American news watching public also agrees with their opinions?

BTW, for all those who have this extreme hatred for all things MSM, where do you suggest I get my current events information? Bloggers? Twitter? Facebook? YouTube? These seem to be appropriate news sources for many on the site. I think I'll stick with biased reporters.



Most of America agrees with you.
Bill O'Reilly and Hannity ratings are skyrocketing!
Glenn Beck also being very productive at 5PM. George Soros is toast.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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But sadly sir, many Americans do have on rose colored glasses with the tint of an ideology and focus on an America that never really existed; An idealized version of a fantasy where Americans always wear the white hats and are virtuous and honorable.

Fox plays to that fantasy and there are plenty of people to make that a viable demographic to market for their advertisers. Properly programed propaganda is a media tool that every communication major learns in their first year; It's no mystery and it has been developed into a fine art. And it's much easier to take the path that supports your personal ideology than make an effort to use your common sense and powers of discernment; gloss over reality and maintain the comfort zone at all costs.


Marshal Mcluan called this back in the 60s

www.leaderu.com...

Fox is a prime example of the off quoted below.




"No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
H.L. Mencken's (1880-1956) statement?


Is it really any wonder Fox is so high in the ratings?

I know these are uncomfortable facts but in truth there is the potential for freedom. Real freedom....

Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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I am a Ma'am, but not worries, I won't say what I generally think of women.


I'll admit that you are spot on about the general population falling into the trap of "Well, that's what channel ### reporter told me so it is absolutely the God's honest truth" and this goes for every station and I will not do like many others would and accuse you of generalizing me as a person. You have a very valid statement and I can find no fault in it.

I don't know how to reply to more than 1 person in a thread
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O'Reilly - I like his opinions. I do not like how he forces it on others and berates his guests. He will twist words (that is if his guest is allowed to speak) and then be insulting and claim that he is not being insulting he's just calling you a liar or a bigot or a insert mean word here

Hannity - Idiot! Can't stand the fellow. Also loud and pushy but Bill has him beat. Maybe he's not an idiot. I can't listen to him long enough.

Beck - Makes me want to take my big screen TV off the wall and smash it on the ground repeatedly. Big words, fear mongering, and silly voices doesn't make you right.

P.S. - If someone would be so kind as to tell me what the W and K mean under my user name I will send you a "The Spin Stops Here" mug. (I'm lying. I won't send you anything.)



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Right... I can provide a list similar that takes CNN / MSNBC and a few others to task for the same thing.. Still does not answer my question.. Why, since we all know all outlets do this, is it unacceptal for Fox, yet acceptable for other outlets?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by jimmyx
 


Right... I can provide a list similar that takes CNN / MSNBC and a few others to task for the same thing.. Still does not answer my question.. Why, since we all know all outlets do this, is it unacceptal for Fox, yet acceptable for other outlets?


Media lies are unacceptable in any form; What astonishes me is how some are inclined to believe lies from a particular source and completely let their ideology get in the way of their common sense.


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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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It is not OK of Fox and it is not OK of any other news group.

Edit to add: Common sense is not as common as one might think.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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lmao.
yep I'm certain that's it.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Larrelye
It is not OK of Fox and it is not OK of any other news group.

Edit to add: Common sense is not as common as one might think.
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Thank you...



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Larrelye
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I'm not sure I'm understanding the logic of your statement completely. If the reporters that did go went voluntarily, then that negates the fact that no one will bomb a building with reporters in it? If I, as an innocent bystander, willingly agree to stand in front of an armed gunman as he makes his escape from a bank robbery does that make me less of a human shield? Please forgive if I'm misunderstanding your point.


Are or aren't the journalist there to cover a battle zone (we didn't declare war, so I won't call it a war zone)? Is there not possibility of danger wherever they go within Libya, especially when they are there to cover both the internal revolution and the external bombings by countries other than Libya?

Yes, if you chose to stand in front of a gun man while he flees, yes you would be a human shield. However, if I have an armed guard with me, I am not a human shield, just because there guns in my presence doesn't make me shield. There has to be someone wanting or trying to around me at a target to make me the shield.

The fact is the Fox crew did not want to go, not because they felt they were in eminent danger by doing so, they just did feel they needed to cover it.

I also think that this little charade is very poorly timed. While Fox was pretending journalists were being used as shielded (implying the great danger to journalists) they could have focused on the NYT journalists who really were kidnapped and really were in great danger. Fortunately, to my knowledge the people from the NYT have been released, unfortunately their poor taxi driver is still being held and only God knows his fate at this point. That is a real story. If the Fox crew (less one) really feels they are under such dire threat then they should pull the crew, why were they hanging out in the hotel?



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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There is nothing wrong with Fox news that isn't also wrong with any of the others. People who bash Fox hate them because they are number one in the ratings or it joins nicely with their left ideology that people are sheep and they ( the haters) are smarter than the sheep. It's an ego thing. You take in the media and decide for yourself. I personally watch Fox and CNN. I see bias on both sides. So what - everyone is biased one way or another. I see nothing that is not biased on any media outlet.

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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 04:54 PM
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It's the 2012 Presidential Campaign getting underway. CNN won't report anything negative about Obama or his actions. FoxNews will report only negative stories about Obama. CNN, all the Broadcast News and most Newspapers will go on the offensive against FoxNews. It's all a game.

There is only one Conservative News source on TV vs all the others who are Progressive and they want FoxNews shut down to eliminate anything that runs contrary to Progressives.

I don't subscribe to either side, so I can be honest. One side is no worse than the other and one side vastly outnumbers the others in resources and NBC even has the CEO of GE, their Boss as a senior advisor to Obama, which means Obama controls all the NBC News and what they report.

This will get very dirty this time around and you can expect lies from all sides. Look at how many lies Obama has told on video in context and yet none of the Progressive Media ever reports it. Not reporting something important is lying by the way. There is no difference.

Both Parties are corrupt and all the MSM is corrupt. Period end of subject and those who don't acknowledge that are lying to themselves. Politics = Lies! The Politicians lie, the media lies and people lie to themselves and each other. Simple really.

The Right will defend FoxNews, the Left will defend all the other TV News and the country will be worse for it.
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posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by searching4truth

Are or aren't the journalist there to cover a battle zone (we didn't declare war, so I won't call it a war zone)? Is there not possibility of danger wherever they go within Libya, especially when they are there to cover both the internal revolution and the external bombings by countries other than Libya?

Yes, if you chose to stand in front of a gun man while he flees, yes you would be a human shield. However, if I have an armed guard with me, I am not a human shield, just because there guns in my presence doesn't make me shield. There has to be someone wanting or trying to around me at a target to make me the shield.


Fair enough. I think I'm understanding your view point better now. I do not go into the bank expecting to be in a danger zone. Also, if there is no target I can't be used as a shield. I don't understand where sending a security guard instead of a journalist makes much difference to the headline. Maybe I'm missing something. As far as the fact that you must be standing next to a target to be a shield for the target.... well, Gaddafi's forces are a target. After re listening to both videos several times and re reading the thread, I do not believe there was any real danger to the journalists, as the compound has already been bombed and the facility itself is no longer a target unless you consider the fact that they are riding and being led around by "targets".

What I see in both videos is he said, she said. Fox says they didn't go because of propaganda and human shielding claims (which according to the reporter, for whatever that is worth, is a thought backed by our military). CNN says they weren't there. They didn't see how quickly they got us out of there. The way it was stated I felt like CNN used the argument that since they were so quick, they were being protected by the Libyan forces. It could be my right slant that makes me hear it that way. At least Fox can say their argument is supported by our military.... Do you think the military would be willing to confirm this if they had really expressed that sentiment to journalists? (serious question. not a snide remark.) If military commanders come out and say that they did not express this, then I will gladly come back to this thread and call the Griffen lady a outrageous liar as well as eat my shoe (but you won't know if i really did it or not).


Originally posted by searching4truth
The fact is the Fox crew did not want to go, not because they felt they were in eminent danger by doing so, they just did feel they needed to cover it.


Is this a fact or a matter of opinion? I also don't feel like it was necessary to send a full fledged reporter and camera crew/person to take pictures of a demolished building. But of course, they had to have pictures. Send your low man, he's expendable.


Originally posted by searching4truth
I also think that this little charade is very poorly timed. While Fox was pretending journalists were being used as shielded (implying the great danger to journalists) they could have focused on the NYT journalists who really were kidnapped and really were in great danger. Fortunately, to my knowledge the people from the NYT have been released, unfortunately their poor taxi driver is still being held and only God knows his fate at this point. That is a real story. If the Fox crew (less one) really feels they are under such dire threat then they should pull the crew, why were they hanging out in the hotel?


Thank you! I'm glad to hear we all know where the real story is at.



posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head with this post.



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