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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Cor Leonis
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After this life, then comes the judgement. There is no thought or rememberance in the grave.


One simply cannot make such a statment as the one quoted with absolute surety yet without having some real Experience of it. Hence the quoted line must therefore be only a Belief, and therefore something far from the reality in a bigger picture existence.

One of the things I do in my work is take the lost in the world DEAD into the Light. I have been doing this for over 30 years. I do not seek the dead, they seek me because they See the Light in the Darkness and flock to it for help.

When we arrive in the Light there is always someone waiting for the new arrival. And while there I get to see them Light up from the inside as they Wake Up from the Dream of Life in the World.. it is an amazing thing to experience directly for yourself.

There is No Judgement. There is only Review, done by the soul for itself to see if it aligned with the purpose of the life.

Judegement is a Human Concept, based solely on perceived Value.. do this and you are worthy, do that and you are not. That is what humans do, it is not what a truly Omnipotent Being does.

Unless you have been there and experienced for yourself, you can only offer what other people say you should Believe about it. And that my friend is a Limitation to Truth.




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Lazarus Short

You realise of course, that Esau gave rise to Edom, and that (as the Jewish Encyclopedia admits) Edom is in Jewry? Does God love the Jews? Fundie love for the Jews is an edifice without a foundation, or at least, without a sound foundation.

Cheer, Laz


This post and Akragon post right below it show me the real problem with people who can't understand the Bible. YOU CAN"T READ.
Jewry is part of th LAND of the Jews Akragon...not a Jew itself....*sigh*

And Laz, did you not read the verses I posted? Of course you didn't, but I see you did run out and read a "Jewish Encyclopedia". Jacob is the father of the twelve tribes of Israel,...not Esau. Edom is a land area which includes Maob, with the descendants of Esau there. It is called God's "wash pot" in the Bible...or in other words...his bathroom. Draw your own conclusions. When God said he hated this guy...he meant it.

PSALM 60:8
"Moab is my WASHPOT; over Edom will I cast out my shoe"



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by KJV1611
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Thanks for your mature replies. But even 50 years of obversation...is still just personal opinion, and thus your assumptions are IMPOSED upon the Bible, which all ready has a solid position. A firm foundation if you will. Good reply non the less, I enjoyed it.

As for keeping this thread "under control" through use of the KJV Bible.....what is the world is the matter with that??!?!?! I applaud my efforts in this case thank you very much *pants back*


I can respect that you have an Belief being offered as an Opinion based on a book that was re-translated about 400+ years ago in England in order to break with the Roman traditions.

When I sepak of the Sumerian history, I do so not as a scholar, although my mentor translated the sections I speak about back in the 70's.. not it's not Sitchin by the way
I do so because the Source material for all versions of Genesis is the Sumerian history. The Hebrew had their first few books of the Torah well before leaving Sumer to go to Egypt. Your Bible is a highly edited version of those first few books of the Torah. And as such is missing the most important information for a clearer perception of what is what.

The spiritual information I offer is because where we are headed as a race is nowhere like the Bible states. What happens with the dead is nothing like the Bible states. That anyone can easily commune with 'God' directly is nothing like the Bible states.. and that 'God' one communes with is likewise not anything like in the Bible.

Hence limiting discussion to only this particular Bible is a control mechanism to avoid the hard questions and answers not included in the Bible during the Nicene Council. It thus limits what information is available to readers and so will only bring about self-supporting evidences for Followers and Believers of this one flawed Belief-System.

Again, no offence is meant with my words.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

God loves the world and everything in it from the smallest rock to the most hardened criminal... Hate comes from man not God, though hate is also a part of the whole. God has no reason to express such petty human emotions, and you won't find this in your bible.

look..

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Is that not love?


You do not understand the Bible, I'm actually getting disappointed by the lack of Bible knowledge I am seeing. Once again READ

"John 3:16 said: For God so LOVED" Past tense. Ask the Lit teacher here. PAST tense anyway you look at it. After God's Son was killed, he now hates the WORLD.

GOD HATES THE WORLD BECAUSE THE WORLD KILLED HIS SON AFTER GOD SENT HIM TO US.

MARK 12: 1-11
"1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
5 And again he sent another; and him they KILLED, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's.
8 And they took him, and KILLED him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? "

1 John 2:15
15 Love not the WORLD, neither the things that are in the WORLD. If any man love the WORLD, the love of the Father is not in him.

JAMES 4:4
"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. "

John17:9
"I pray for them: I pray not for the WORLD, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. "

2 TIMOTHY 4:10
"For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present WORLD, and is departed unto Thessalonica;"

1 John 5:19
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole WORLD lieth in wickedness.

God doesn't love the world anymore sir...he hates it. And so should you. This is called "marvellous" in God's eyes.
Never read the book of Revelations? God has quite a "plan" instore for this WORLD. Read my sig ↓



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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ZEPHANIAH 3:8

"Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy."



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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I have said this once before on here but I don't remember where. But wouldn't Genesis and the Sumerian history and many other tales saying almost the same thing.....validate each other? Just like the Four Gospels in the Bible, this could just be many different accounts of the same events but with differetn details, with the subject matter the same?

Anyway, going to bed, be back tomorrow Bible seekers for more truths from God's english



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by KJV1611
Sadly you do not know what an antichrist is, let alone the scriptures:

1 JOHN 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that ANTICHRIST shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 JOHN 4
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 JOHN 1
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.

I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. (verse 22) I believe Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, came and dealt on earth IN THE FLESH (verse 3 and 7)

1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. "

I have been going easy on you for a while now cause I can see your not familiar with the scriptures, heck, you probably don't even believe you HAVE the scriptures!

But don't challenge me with the Bible, by calling me an antichrist. The purpose of this thread was to inform misguided people like yourself who does not understand the book, so you make your own religion up in your head based on a hand full of verse you do understand. The fact is:

MATTHEW 22:29
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do ERR, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."


The definition of an antichrist was not coined by Jesus, but rather one of his followers at a particular time when his disciples were falling away from each other. His own disciples were not acting as Christ would act, they were not doing what he said to do, thus his church splintered. Who the author of John was referring to were the Christians that went their own way. Ironically, it was antichrist behavior to coin the term antichrist for one should not judge! LOL!

You read, but you do not understand. There must be a reason for it under heaven, so I will leave you to it.

With Love,

Your Brother

P.S.

You wouldn't by chance own a small white dog like a Maltese would you?
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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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KJV a part of me just shudders when you make statements about God hating the world. Did you not get the message of Jesus about men knowing not what they do? I think the wrath of God is misunderstood. The wrath of God is our own wrong energy coming back on us. God is absolute Good and Love. It is man who fell from the Absolute into the world of relative good and evil. This is why I object to humanism of all kinds.

"King James Bible
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:7

and then there is the judgement of the seed of the wicked
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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by KJV1611
At least act like a Christian, and don't lie.


Wow.. your not really suggesting that Christians do not lie are you? I imagine it would be much much easier to disprove this statement than it is to disprove the bible
You can google "Pastors who lie" and spend the next 8 hours or so reading the many examples.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Tayesin
 

I have said this once before on here but I don't remember where. But wouldn't Genesis and the Sumerian history and many other tales saying almost the same thing.....validate each other? Just like the Four Gospels in the Bible, this could just be many different accounts of the same events but with differetn details, with the subject matter the same?

Anyway, going to bed, be back tomorrow Bible seekers for more truths from God's english


Hi,

Hope you slept and refreshed well.

On the first question, one would think so.

But when we look closer we find that even the Source material changed in it's own country of origin over time. Names changed, credits changed, the stories changed a little each time, etc. For it to have passed from the oldest source material to the first few books of the Torah with the Hebrew leaving Sumer, it had to have been heavily edited by people, and most likely for Brevity. Consider the Hebrew wandering to Egypt with 10,000 times the number of scrolls as they are recorded to have had, if not for severe editing. Had it been clay tablets instead of scrolls, the problem would be massively compounded.

Some sections of each do validate the others, probably due to those portions not being edited out for Brevity. But from the oldest to what we now have in any recent Bible there is a constant drain of important information. So much so that it completely alters the Entire Perception.

Translational errors abound over the timeframe of information that made it through to the Nicene Council. My old mentor counts the known errors at just over 4,000 in the modern Bible. Given the KJV is a relatively recent and dare I say Politically motivated translation of the information we must assess it as wanting compared to the fullness of the information available at the source material.

Then when we listen to people who are attached to, or otherwise Indoctrinated with a Belief-System based on what is currently in the Bible we are faced with leaving them to their joy or offending them with information, or, being seen as not fully right in the head
As you can see I am one of the offending with information types.

Oh, nearly forgot.. when using the word Indoctrination I do so because the Teaching of Doctrine is Indoctrination.

To the second question, even though the Subject Matter can be the same, it is in the Details that Entire Perceptions can be and ARE altered. Our governments understand this well and use it against us, even now. And this is why opposers call out the Control Mechanism inherent in the Indoctrination.

I do think Jesus/Jeshua/Esus/Esu was a real Man in history... someone quite "special" in his time.

I see he wanted to change things in his time.. and we must understand the Time and Culture to understand anything. He must have been raised as a typical Hebrew boy in that he was educated in their religion. I also think he held more Awareness then the masses for him to see past the Indoctrination of his Culture, to see the Inequality and Suffering of the masses. Hence why he argued with the Priests.

I also see in the circumstances at the time a fairly large Underground movement we think of now as Gnostics. Along with other indicators, we can more effectively understand what things like the following tell us about Jesus and the Times; the words for "The Craft" were mistranslated to mean Worker of Wood.. Carpenter. In which case we can then consider Jesus and his Family were more than likely in the Gnostic Underground.

In this underground movement, which the Romans tried to eradicate, they had a system of understanding called Pesher. It was a way people could communicate sensitive information to others so that only the intended would understand, anyone else would hear a story or parable.

With this in mind we can see why Jesus/Jeshua began many Parables in public with the something like this statement, "For those with eyes to see and ears to hear".. calling to those who understood Pesher to listen for the messages.

Man, I'm getting old.. I'm ready for a granny nap now


See you later on



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 12:03 AM
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This thread is going to be long i think, others might submit to your views but i will not...



Once again, your opinion. God's promises are eternal. Why would you folloew Jesus's teachings if your not going to follow God's?


I thought Jesus was God in the flesh? Please explain so i know what type of christian you are, there are so many kinds you see...



John 8:38, 43-47
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God


Uhhhmm why did you skip verses in this quote? Typical christian yet again my friend, you want to follow your bible you can't cherry pick in and between verses to make your point, that won't work with me...


Shall we look at the verses you convienently left out of your reply....oh yes we shall

38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Wonderful how you left that out....interesting... Christ says If you were from God, or IF God was your father, ye would love me... yet we can see what you believe...clearly

If God thinks so highly of them, why should I? I think God picked them because they are the most stubbern, greedy, faithless people on the planet. Just read Exodus, Joshua, Judges, and the rest of the old testament for more examples! There endless.


*sigh* so we move on...


Notice anything about these verses you quoted? They are personal, moral works. Works meant for Jews at that time Jesus was specking, for the tribulation, and during the 1000 year reign afterward.

NOT FOR YOU. If you follow just these teachings of Jesus here in this passage for eternal life, you would die and go to hell.


So yet again, you claim following Jesus will land you in hell, two lies wrapped up in one...Good fun.


Eternal life is a FREE GIFT, not of works


Probably one of the only accurate things you've said thus far in your so called "answers"...Good for you


And then a sentence and a half later, you change your belief suddenly



Jesus Christ offers eternal life for all who believe by simply asking AND believing what the Bible says about him...




Next reply...



READ ALL THIS

God is not just love:

REVELATION 2:6
"But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also HATE. "

God is a good "hater" he hates a vast amount of things. He also is not "just" a God of peace:


I didn't say he was just love...Of course God can hate if he chose to. Hate is also part of his creation...but as i've stated before, God has no need to express such petty human emotions yet again, clearly you do not know God, but you know your bible decently well, its a shame you don't understand it.


2 For men shall be LOVERS of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, LOVERS of pleasures more than LOVERS of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away


notice it says MEN..shall be lovers of.... These are emotions are useless to God...


The purpose of this thread was to inform misguided people like yourself who does not understand the book, so you make your own religion up in your head based on a hand full of verse you do understand. The fact is:


I know this wasn't directed at me but i thought i'd comment just for fun.... See the line you quoted just after you made this statement? You do realize you're speaking about yourself right...

MATTHEW 22:29
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do ERR, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

How are you going to tell me and others reading this thread that by following Jesus you will go to hell.....Yet then you quote him at your own convience...lovely....you are amusing i must say.

No no my friend you think i will shy away from you but i will not. You might read your bible but you do not understand its meanings.....so this is all for you.

9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man
12Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
3But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

But i won't leave you alone, you spread your hate and your bigotry.... You're free to do so...

Actually its good that you show everyone who you are inside...



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posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by Lazarus Short

You realise of course, that Esau gave rise to Edom, and that (as the Jewish Encyclopedia admits) Edom is in Jewry? Does God love the Jews? Fundie love for the Jews is an edifice without a foundation, or at least, without a sound foundation.

Cheer, Laz


This post and Akragon post right below it show me the real problem with people who can't understand the Bible. YOU CAN"T READ.
Jewry is part of th LAND of the Jews Akragon...not a Jew itself....*sigh*

And Laz, did you not read the verses I posted? Of course you didn't, but I see you did run out and read a "Jewish Encyclopedia". Jacob is the father of the twelve tribes of Israel,...not Esau. Edom is a land area which includes Maob, with the descendants of Esau there. It is called God's "wash pot" in the Bible...or in other words...his bathroom. Draw your own conclusions. When God said he hated this guy...he meant it.

PSALM 60:8
"Moab is my WASHPOT; over Edom will I cast out my shoe"


Wow, KJV1611, you can sidestep with the best of them - further, you say I can't read. We know from the Books of the Maccabees that Edom was absorbed into the kingdom of Judah in a military/political sense. We know (um, if we read, natch) that the Edomites became Jews subsequent to that conquest. Now I believe that these Edomite Jews were the prime force behind the murder of our Lord, and the half-Edomite Herod was one of them.
Yes, I know that Jacob/Israel was the father of the twelve tribes, but have you considered that the Jews you think so highly of are descended from a tiny, tiny fraction of the Judahites who went into captivity, and those were only one tribe of a dozen. The overwhelming majority of Jews remained in the Dispersion. Do you even have an inkling where the bulk of true Israel is today? Are they not equally the apple of God's eye? Now, back to the Edomites - Jesus stated that His sheep heard His voice and followed Him, and I believe that therefore the true Judahites of the Jews of His day became Christians - to not believe it is tantamount to saying Jesus did not say it like it was. However, Jesus said elsewhere that if it was not so, He would have told us. The corollary is that the non-true Judahites (i.e. Edomites) remained Jews. I therefore conclude the Jewish Encyclopedia is correct. That being so, why do you fundies support what you yourself admit is God's washpot? Be careful, you are painting yourself into the proverbial corner.

Further, you have not, and I am thinking that you can not, answer my questions from many pages back concerning Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. How many times have I seen someone like you answer a peripheral question as if they have dealt with the issue, while leaving the core question unanswered...? I have seen almost no Christian writer deal honestly and forthrightly with these verses. Perhaps you will surprise me, but if not, I think you will lose traction in this thread.

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OK, I reread my post that you quoted, and your reply. This is really sad, as your reply indicates that you think Jewry/Jews/Judah are the same entity. Far from it! We who understand the Kingdom/Identity message know full well the difference between Israel/Judah/the Jews, both true and false. I think your failure to address those verses in Revelation may just stem from your theological limitations. I might add that my brothers in my Sunday School class at that Baptist church loved me as a brother, but they never understood where I was coming from. BTW, if you direct me or re-direct me to those verses you mentioned, I will be happy to read/reread them.
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Edit:
I did not realise that those verses were on this very page - I think I was confused by the heading, where you were replying to Laz, but quoting the other fellow. Your idea of God presently hating the world is new to me, but it makes some sense. I will have to meditate on that. You do realise, of course, that the last part of the "God so loved the world..." verse can be interpreted to mean that God at least loves enough to save those who believe in His Son. At least, I think most Christians see it that way. With that said, I tend to agree that God must surely hate the world system that rejected and killed His Son, and is still in operation today.
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posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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This post and Akragon post right below it show me the real problem with people who can't understand the Bible. YOU CAN"T READ.
Jewry is part of th LAND of the Jews Akragon


Racist Garbage...



I'm actually getting disappointed by the lack of Bible knowledge I am seeing.


Your disappointment amuses me to no end honestly...



GOD HATES THE WORLD BECAUSE THE WORLD KILLED HIS SON AFTER GOD SENT HIM TO US.

God doesn't love the world anymore sir...he hates it. And so should you. This is called "marvellous" in God's eyes.
Never read the book of Revelations? God has quite a "plan" instore for this WORLD. Read my sig


My friend you make me laugh! You know nothing of God or his word, you only know your book and i have news for you man.......God isn't in your book.




posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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Yes, I know that Jacob/Israel was the father of the twelve tribes, but have you considered that the Jews you think so highly of ...


I guess you missed the front page of this thread, he hates the jews...take a look


If God thinks so highly of them, why should I? I think God picked them because they are the most stubbern, greedy, faithless people on the planet. Just read Exodus, Joshua, Judges, and the rest of the old testament for more examples! There endless.


Perhaps i misunderstood....i hope


Be careful, you are painting yourself into the proverbial corner.


What you didn't notice the hole hes been digging since this thread started?




posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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i don't think the loud procreation is the correct translation. i do believe the sumerian texts (and some of sitchin's translations) suffer a similar problem as translated biblical texts. frame of reference plays a huge part. rather than loud love making, i think it's trying to tell the reader that the human race was genetically polluted. "and as they died, their cries went up to heaven." in fact, it sounds as if the whole planet was in a huge ecological/envrionmental disaster at that point. so rather than saying noisy sex, i think it means polluted dna, created deadly mutations that were born mutated,. and not only in the humans, but in the crops, the animals, and the insects, as well.

this not only fits the story better and more logically, but it also is supported by the mahabharata, the book of 1 enoch and just plain common sense.
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posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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i don't think the loud procreation is the correct translation. i do believe the sumerian texts (and some of sitchin's translations) suffer a similar problem as translated biblical texts. frame of reference plays a huge part. rather than loud love making, i think it's trying to tell the reader that the human race was genetically polluted. "and as they died, their cries went up to heaven." in fact, it sounds as if the whole planet was in a huge ecological/envrionmental disaster at that point. so rather than saying noisy sex, i think it means polluted dna, created deadly mutations that were born mutated,. and not only in the humans, but in the crops, the animals, and the insects, as well.

this not only fits the story better and more logically, but it also is supported by the mahabharata, the book of 1 enoch and just plain common sense.
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Hi,

Yes. It wasn't just our noisy procreation, it was our drunkeness and obnoxious racket at all hours of the day and night that peeved Enlil so much, aside from Enki's success.

And yes, I agree a frame of reference can be difficult in many cases.

On the abominable mutations.. the failed experiments, we are told they were euthenased, cut into small portions and sealed in the naturally occuring pitch in massive sarcophagai in the desert to avoid any of the atoms from these creatures recombining at some time in the distant future.. something modern man has only recently come to understand can happen.

And.. this is the bit I like... three such giant sarcophagai have been found in the past 100 years or so. The last being in the mid 1970's when science had developed sufficiently to insure the bones could be retrieved for cleaning and reassembly at the British Museum. After which researchers involved in related projects were able to request an official letter describing the finds.

I have had the good fortune to read the letter posted to my old mentor, which talks about the creatures as reassembled stating that, "These are creatures from our mythologies and worst nightmares" Well, that's the bit that stood out to me and so was easier to remember over the intervening years.

If we look at the clay tablet impressions of these failed experiments we do see things akin to Centaurs, Griffin-like creatures and many others that were recorded for posterity.

And certainly shortly after he forced Enki to take Oath to not inform the humans of a coming cataclysm, there was a disasterous event that wiped out all life either on the planet of regionally.. haven't worked that bit out yet. It is in that event we find the humans "and as they died, their cries went up to heaven." The Gods it says were distraught at the massive loss of life amongst the servants and helpers that many had become fond of.

And lastly, I do agree Enlil would have been seriously peeved-off at Enki's success and was already in the habit of Hating the humans before they were able to procreate. That we bred like rabbits would have gotten right under his skin.. and Yes I can see the Perception too that he would view it all as a distortion of their own Genetics. To him perhaps we were also an abomination?

Thanks again, I am really enjoying the information you bring to the table.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 05:41 AM
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"For in death [there is] no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks ? (Psalms 6:5)

" Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do , do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesistes 9:10)

You were right I did misquote. This scripture is what I was referring too. Yes the darkness does seek light. Angels of darkness have as a matter of fact transform themselves into messengers of light so as to do what they have done for millinia, deceive! That which is bad they say is good, and that which is good is bad!

"Did God say ye shall die? You shall not surely die, for God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes will be open knowing good and evil. You shall be as gods! (Satan to Eve)

Without looking at the above scripture in Genesis that was the gist of the conversation between Saten in the Garden and Eve.

The Devil is a lier and the Father of it! The dead you see are called familiar spirits, they are demonic and have knowledge and are very familiar with the deceased, moreso than the deceased was in being familiar with themselves. Because many of the dead thought they were right(eous) and many were deceived.

The road to destruction is wide!



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by KJV1611

Why does the Bible treat mass rape and enslavement of prisoners as moral?

Enslavement of prisoners is.....normal
Would you rather they not be captured but running free?


I'm sorry, but shouldn't an all-loving deity say something like "Hey, why the hell are you going around burning cities down!"



As for mass rape, you must remember, the Bible is primarily a history book, and just because something bad is recorded, does not mean God always condones it. I can't think of a time when God told the es to mass rape someone...? can you help me out? Not Man telling man to do this, but God saying it.


Um...God was in direct communication with the people ordering these mass rapes, yet he never chastised anyone for them. Moses commands it, and from what I understand that guy had a direct line to god.

Furthermore, Isaiah 13:16 and Zechariah 14:2.




Why does the Bible treat slavery in general as moral?

premise is wrong. The Bible lays outs principles and guidlines for "servants"


...no, slaves. The word used might be servant, but these are individuals who are treated as property and have no freedom of movement or employment.



JEREMIAH 2:14
"Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn SLAVE? why is he spoiled? "


Red herring, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Leviticus 25:44-46


Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that [are] with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit [them for] a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.


Oh, and so that we're clear, this is god talking:

Leviticus 25:1


And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying,




There is a difference and distinction.


No, there really isn't. These are people who are being bought and sold as property by other individuals. These people who are property are inheritable. This is definitive slavery commanded by the deity of Moses.



The Bible just isn't so politically correct as to not mention real world happenings. Besides, everyone knows Africa has the corner market on slavery (Exodus anyone?).


Besides, everyone knows that there isn't a shred of historical, archeological, or genetic evidence for the Exodus account. There is zero evidence of Hebrew enslavement in Egypt.



Heck, the Arabians were the first slave traders in the Bible! Jacobs sons sold Joseph to them in Genesis.


...and yet you read in Leviticus your deity commanding slavery.



Even in the new testament servant commandments can still be found. Mexican immigrants maybe?



...they're not servants, they're slaves. The words used directly relate to people who are treated as property.




Why does the Bible directly conflict with both verified historical and verified scientific knowledge?

It doesn't come on now. Many, many historic archaeological towns and cities, not to mention manuscripts have been found.


Citation needed.



Do your own google search for examples, I'm tired.


Fail. I'm sorry, you're here to answer questions. I know quite well what comes up, and a Google search is not an academic source.



As for the scientific knowledge part, the Bible on consititantly been 3000 to 4000 years ahead of science in any era.


What? You mean in the places where it says pi=3, that the Earth has a solid dome above it, that there is a global flood with no geologic evidence, where it says disease is caused by demons, and that rainbows are the cause of rather than the result of rain?



Even your beloved avatar cried and begged God to forgive him on his death bed for what he said about evolution. He cried "its fake, its all false!" Look it up, you'll be surprised.


Wow, that's an oldy but a goody, the good ol' "Darwin's deathbed confession"...which was recounted by a woman who didn't even know Darwin and was nowhere near his deathbed...so yeah, that's bunk.

I'm sorry, but someone has been lying to you.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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On the abominable mutations.. the failed experiments, we are told they were euthenased, cut into small portions and sealed in the naturally occuring pitch in massive sarcophagai in the desert to avoid any of the atoms from these creatures recombining at some time in the distant future.. something modern man has only recently come to understand can happen.



can you reference this information please?
please don't reference the lost book of enki, as sitchin wrote that as a piece of creative fiction. it gave him the ability to pass ideas under the radar of his fans, without having to cite any real sources.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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What? You mean in the places where it says pi=3, that the Earth has a solid dome above it, that there is a global flood with no geologic evidence, where it says disease is caused by demons, and that rainbows are the cause of rather than the result of rain?


if you're going to criticize a text, make sure you understand what the text is saying. just as it is frustrating to find people being dishonest about other information, such as what darwin did in his last moments, you should also be honest enough to remove from your list of credible criticisms of the biblical texts, criticisms which are proven to be inaccurate. if you can't or won't do that, all you're going to do is further the belief that people who hold your position are not interested in the truth/ remember, beneficial skepticism requires the position held actually has a basis in reality of the thing it stands in judgement of.

as a result, i'd like evidence that the bible claims there is a SOLID dome above the earth.
i'd like evidence that the bible claims that noah's flood was a GLOBAL flood.
i'd like evidence that disease CANNOT be caused by anything other than nature. ever.
and i'd like evidence the text claims that rainbows cause rain
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