Bible Answers to Member Questions

Hi there KJV1611. I worked up a few questions and a few thoughts. Trying to not be long winded and all. Nice thread btw, a little different than most...

Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by WENEEDAREVOLUTION
Following on from my previous question, if God/Jesus fathered himself then how can Jesus be 'of the line of David'?
I ask this because the bible clearly states that Joseph and NOT Mary was of the line of David and as Joseph did'nt father Jesus then Jesus cannot be descended from David and as such cannot be the messiah because he does'nt have the credentials according to the old testament prophesies. Thank you in advance for your reply.

Jesus was of the line of David which went back to Adam. Joeseph was from this line from which Jesus came, but he did not have to be "blood related" to Joseph. Not in the least. His blood was God's blood, and was sinless.

But God repents, as you said (I've quoted below), for creating man, so how can he be sinless, also, who is he repenting to? Himself?

Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by 2012king
heres one i asked in a different thread but didnt get a reply, what did god do before he supposedly created us/everything?

Good question, bout time we got some deep ones!
Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the MORNING stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

So before the world was here, there were "morning stars" who sang and "sons of God" who also shout for joy....

You can read more about these sons of God in Genesis chapter 6:1-5

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, ( I left stuff out, but I carried on over here>)
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. "

This would be where most of the astronaut theory and Annikki stories come from.

So we can clearly see God had many creatures with him before he decided to make a creation that was "in his image".....the plot thickens.

I have to ask, in who’s image were these other creatures created from, if not the God of the Bible?

Originally posted by KJV1611
GENESIS 1:26-27
"26 And God said, Let us make man in our IMAGE, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own IMAGE, in the IMAGE of God created he him; male and female created he them "

There are many things out in outer space than we can imagine. And one day we will see them, in the flesh.

You say that, "before the world was here, there were "morning stars" who sang"
I think this points more to the bible being written by man, inspired by the world around him... you can't have morning stars without morning or evening and you can’t have either without an orb called a planet (earth). I dunno, it seems to LEND to the astronaut theory if anything.

The ancient astronaut theory is one that I think of as possible (I’m not a huge proponent, I think it possible), just as I find it possible that you may be right and I am wrong, would you agree with me that there may be a possibility that you are wrong?

Personifying God, to me, means he is below the true progenitor of the universe; who apart from existing holds no contention with man, or anything in existence, who is the duality, the cause and effect, and who is all laws by which our perceptions are run. This God does not need to intervene, only to be. And Gods BEing is within everything.

My mind jumped around a bit, sorry for any incoherence. I tried being brief.


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But how on earth can Jesus come from the House of David (it's actually the House of Judah) when he was not the biological son of Joseph and his mother Mary was (arguably) from the House of Levi?

All I got was mumbo jumbo about when a husband dies his brother has to marry the wife or something along those lines......except Mary was never married before Joseph and that she was already engaged to Joseph when she fell pregnant. There is no mention of siblings of Joseph.

Now from what I'm reading, Mary visited a relative Elizabeth, away from Joseph for 3 months; it is here that she fell pregnant. Joseph almost broke off the engagement but sounds like, from what I'm reading, he got conned by a visitor from the Temple to harsh things up and marry Mary.

The Catholics are adament that Mary never have sexual relations to Joseph, while in other bibles, doctraine says Jesus had brothers and sisters younger than he suggesting Mary did have more children after Jesus.

I'm also reading a little on how some of Jesus' hippie followers did'nt like Mary very much and one of them thought Mary did'nt support her son much and thought he was somewhat mad.

While Jesus was a child, his family moved to Egypt for two years. After their return they visited Jerusalem where Jesus around 13 years of age got lost and did'nt return home until he was 30 years of age.

So far what I am reading, it just sounds like everything is in conflict with each other.

I've read some information from 4 different churches now and they all tell a different story.

Originally posted by 2012king
Can i just ask something, open to anybody, do you believe in any of the Greek Gods? Zeus etc? If so, how does this fall into line with God from the bible? and if not, why? it may be in the wrong thread but i am just fishing for info....

Love it, great question. This was why I made this thread, world answers from the Bible. Read Genesis Chapter 6 for the greek tales and where they came from. Also,

1 Samuel 28:13
And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

Job 2:1-2
"1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. "

And many more verses dealing with these "creatures" or gods....

reply to post by MagoSA


yeah the flat earth thing is not the flat earth thing.
the exact meaning is, the edges of the ground, the land. earth=land. vs. the water. humans are land dwelling creatures (i mean, we don't naturally breathe water once outside the womb).
the corners were the four directions. so the four corners of the earth, were the farthest extent of the land mass vs. the water, in all four directions, NSEW (north, south, east and west)

the original hebrew for corner means "edge"
which is an example of where reading it in the original hebrew is better

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Alright, when and if this happens, get back with me, we will discusses it then

reply to post by MagoSA


Thank you for your contribution Although I can prove the King James Bible more accurate than any "new version" on the MARKET (key word)

But we will have to make another thread....it would be long.

[Your premise is flawed. All living things are NOT equal in God's eyes. Heck, all humans are not equal, not in the least. This is why I said God is a racist according to the modern day term. Read Noah's curses on Ham found in Gen 9
Why would you think all things were equal? The brotherhood of man, and fatherhood of God is a false cult teaching.






Excuse me......Mr KJV

You said not all humans are equal. Can you tell how you came to this conclusion?

Because I'm not a Christian I'm doing my best to learn all this stuff and I'm getting really confused after poking around on 4 different church websites.

Can you tell me which Christian church is telling the truth and why?

Originally posted by 2012king

Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by 2012king
Yet another question..... if all living things are equal in gods eyes, do animals go to heaven too? including dinosaurs, and also plants as they are also living. If they do, how is it possible to spread the word of god to animals? and how is it possible to choose if they are worthy of a place in heaven or not? surely if he created everything to be equal he did a bad job of it as some things cannot stand up to humans and question us as to wether we are right in our way of thinking (eg religions) or not. If believing in, and living by the rules of a god of any sort is supposed to be a way of ensuring your passage to heaven( lets be honest, thats the main part of it) how can any other living creature get a fair shot at it?

Your premise is flawed. All living things are NOT equal in God's eyes. Heck, all humans are not equal, not in the least. This is why I said God is a racist according to the modern day term. Read Noah's curses on Ham found in Gen 9

Why would you think all things were equal? The brotherhood of man, and fatherhood of God is a false cult teaching.

what about (Romans 2:11) " For there is no partiality with God.'

What about:
Genesis 9:26
" And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
Exodus 2:25
"And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them. "
Psalms 138:6
"Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off. "

You see, God does have respect on RACES and moral conduct. Although not on individuals. I can post many more if you want.

Originally posted by KJV1611
Going to bed answer seekers. Send me a private message if you seek salvation, I would be happy to show you from the Bible how to go to heaven, just like I will.

Hi, just another question to ask, if it's been asked please direct me, i'm still busy reading, on page 6 now.

Here's the Q: About the 144,000 mentioned in revelation, who are they exactly and what does it mean? Also, are you really one of them? I must say that's quite lucky. sorry, another Q; how are you sure you are going to heaven?
(if I have a choice I'll choose to stay on earth thanks, there's work to be done. Work that's waaaay over-due, and I've always been a last minute kinda guy as Mickey, from Snatch, said "yi ste till the jobs dun")

Alright, I'm try again:

Why does the Bible treat mass rape and enslavement of prisoners as moral?
Why does the Bible treat slavery in general as moral?
Why does the Bible directly conflict with both verified historical and verified scientific knowledge?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by DrChuck

 

But how on earth can Jesus come from the House of David (it's actually the House of Judah) when he was not the biological son of Joseph and his mother Mary was (arguably) from the House of Levi?

All I got was mumbo jumbo about when a husband dies his brother has to marry the wife or something along those lines......except Mary was never married before Joseph and that she was already engaged to Joseph when she fell pregnant. There is no mention of siblings of Joseph.

What I was attempting to illustrate is that Jesus is the lawful son of Joseph. It doesn't matter if Jesus was fathered by another man. As Mary is Josephs wife, any son born by her is automatically considered Josephs son. Hence Jesus is the rightful descendant and heir to the throne of David. That is what the old Jewish law states.

I have never stated that the widow has to marry her husbands brother, your the one full of mumbo jumbo. Let me clarify. What I stated was - if a wife is widowed before she bears a son for her husband, her husbands brother is obligated to sleep with her so she may bear a son, to continue the deceased husbands bloodline/name/house.
That son is not the biological offspring of the deceased husband, but by law he is considered the son of the deceased husband, and is the rightful heir to the deceased husbands estate, name and household.

This example was to support the basis that even if the son is not fathered by his true biological dad, he is still considered the son of the house. So, as Jesus was not fathered by Joseph, he is still considered Josephs son by law because Jesus was born under the house of Joseph by his wife.

Now from what I'm reading, Mary visited a relative Elizabeth, away from Joseph for 3 months; it is here that she fell pregnant. Joseph almost broke off the engagement but sounds like, from what I'm reading, he got conned by a visitor from the Temple to harsh things up and marry Mary.

The Catholics are adament that Mary never have sexual relations to Joseph, while in other bibles, doctraine says Jesus had brothers and sisters younger than he suggesting Mary did have more children after Jesus.

I'm also reading a little on how some of Jesus' hippie followers did'nt like Mary very much and one of them thought Mary did'nt support her son much and thought he was somewhat mad.

While Jesus was a child, his family moved to Egypt for two years. After their return they visited Jerusalem where Jesus around 13 years of age got lost and did'nt return home until he was 30 years of age.

So far what I am reading, it just sounds like everything is in conflict with each other.

I've read some information from 4 different churches now and they all tell a different story.

Again, you stray off into a nonrelated subject, are you debating with a imaginary entity? Because I never stated to the contrary of anything you wrote here, or even touched upon the subject of siblings of Christ or the details of His life.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Alright, I'm try again:

Why does the Bible treat mass rape and enslavement of prisoners as moral?
Why does the Bible treat slavery in general as moral?
Why does the Bible directly conflict with both verified historical and verified scientific knowledge?

i think i can answer some of those questions.

1. some of the biblical patriarchs were pharaohs. this is only hinted at, in the old testament. slavery for them was akin to modern day socialism. an elite ruling class under which was a layer of educated priests, artists, athletes, scribes and architects, and then everyone else. "everyone else" were the "workers." (farmers, fishers, miners, et.al, the laborers).

2. slavery was a form of debt collection. this appears to be especially true, if the enemy combatants, had cost your land and people, large sums of money, life, or other resources of value (buildings, land, crops, etc). this was a widely used method of repairing the damages of war. it was also used to provide for the common good. today we call it "taxes:"

there's alot more history in the old testament than is seen in anti-bible texts or papal writs.

3. can you quote some of the conflicting history and science ?

My God i have so much to say to the OP, but this is his thread...

I've noticed how you dance around answers yet have no answers of your own, typical christian if you don't mind me saying so...

I will comment on one thing though... You avoid IAMIAM like the plague, but considering what you're teaching your fellow christians i probably would avoid answering him as well...

SO...for the second time in your thread....let me help you.

Have you eliminated from your mind all things which cause offence?
Have you given all your earthly wealth to the poor and taught the Kingdom of Heaven?
Have you refused to judge others?
Have you opened your heart up to loving all?
Have you visited those in prison, gave water to all who thirst, clothed those who are naked?
Have you taught the blind to see?
Have you healed the sick?
Have you done all these things in Christ's name?

Can you recognise one who has?

Do you hear the voice of the lamb?

Do you know who I AM?

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Where in the world did you come up with this lovey dovey stuff? This is not the teachings of the Bible. Possibly a new age version of the bible...but not the Authorized Version. Why should I cure the blind or sick? Or hear a lambs voice? And I am commanded to judge my friend, myself first then others, so as to not have a beam in my eye. If we don't judge each other, then you have anarchy

1. As i've stated many times before, use your own words...quoting scripture proves nothing other then the fact that you're brainwashed according to your own book. I thought you were answering questions here not quoting scriptures, and your answered do not reflect the teachings of christ...

2.

Why should I cure the blind

Because christ asked you to do so....do you not follow him as all christians do? IN this thread you are not teaching the blind to see, you are keeping them blind from the truth...Thus the blind leading the blind.

3.

And I am commanded to judge my friend, myself first then others, so as to not have a beam in my eye. If we don't judge each other, then you have anarchy

Here we go with the Judge rightously quote.....You are not taught to judge any man, simple as that....If you believe that you're just compounding what many can already see....you are blind to the truth... Your hate and judgement shine through your words like a flare in the night.

I could write a book about the things you've told these people honestly...

But please continue...the hole you're digging is quite deep already

Dispite this you still have my love. I only hope one day you'll see past the pages in your book and look into the Wicked heart which you claim we all have.

Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by WENEEDAREVOLUTION
Me again. You did'nt answer my last questions directly, you took the politicians way out and changed the subject, but thats ok. I will ask this instead - can you tell me how I should interpret this line taken from your signature - "I will render vengeance to mine enemies and will reward them that hate me."
As I read it on the one-hand he will punish his enemies and on the other he will reward those (enemies) that hate him. Your thoughts.

Your not aware of the use of the word "reward" If a man has to pay alimony to his wife he divorcees, the judge says "you are awarded alimony payments for such and such." Do you think this form of "reward" is a good thing? When you reward somebody something.....you give them what they deserve...

HEBREWS 10:29
"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under FOOT the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? "

As for Jesus being his own father, No, he is not. answered.

Dictionary definition of the word reward - something given or received in return or recompense for service, merit, etc.
Dictionary definition of the word awarded - to bestow by judicial decree; assign or appoint by deliberate judgment, as in arbitration: The plaintiff was awarded damages of $100,000.
You reward someone for good deeds/actions - it is a form of thanks.
An award can be positive or negative. IMO
Ps - If Jesus isn't his own father then how can he be part of the pantheistic godhead you refer to?

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We can discuss that ad nauseum... but I find that it generally makes people unhappy. Can we agree to be fellow believers in Christ?

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He came to preach hun, not to mention this is his thread...

So let him preach

Originally posted by KJV1611

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by KJV1611
MATTHEW 7
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a ROCK:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a ROCK.

Do you do the sayings of Christ?

Have you eliminated from your mind all things which cause offence?
Have you given all your earthly wealth to the poor and taught the Kingdom of Heaven?
Have you refused to judge others?
Have you opened your heart up to loving all?
Have you visited those in prison, gave water to all who thirst, clothed those who are naked?
Have you taught the blind to see?
Have you healed the sick?
Have you done all these things in Christ's name?

Can you recognise one who has?

Do you hear the voice of the lamb?

Do you know who I AM?

Where in the world did you come up with this lovey dovey stuff? This is not the teachings of the Bible. Possibly a new age version of the bible...but not the Authorized Version. Why should I cure the blind or sick? Or hear a lambs voice? And I am commanded to judge my friend, myself first then others, so as to not have a beam in my eye. If we don't judge each other, then you have anarchy.

Ok my friend, let me roll up my sleeves and get to work here...

"Have you eliminated from your mind all things which cause offence?"

8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

"Have you given all your earthly wealth to the poor and taught the Kingdom of Heaven?"

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

"Have you refused to judge others?"

15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

"Have you opened your heart up to loving all?"

25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

"Have you visited those in prison, gave water to all who thirst, clothed those who are naked?"

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now are you ignorant, blind, or accusing Christ to be a liar? If you are ignorant, I can teach you. If you are blind, I can help you to see. If however, you call Christ a liar, then I do not know you and your own words condemn you.

So tell me your condition my friend. Tell me why you spew so much hatred in the name of Christ so that I know whether to teach you, heal you, or leave you to your own condemnation.

reply to post by TattooedWarrior

If Jesus isn't his own father then how can he be part of the pantheistic godhead you refer to?

you didn't address this question to me but i'm gonna try to answer it. ever hear of the sumerian enki, enlil and anu?

it seems they are jehovah. enki is depicted in an akkadian text, doing acts that were assigned to jehovah in the bible (in particular, the creation of man text, warning about the flood and instructions on how to build an ark to escape the flood, and the confusing of languages at the tower of babel).. enlil is depicted in akkadian texts, doing acts that were assigned to jehovah (such as bringing a flood as a form of punishment/population modification), and so was anu (such as being in possession of the water and food of life, which he allowed or withheld, based on his judgment.

anu was the god of the heavens. he was the father of enlil. enlil was the god of air/sky/spirit (the word EL derives from his name), he was the father of enki. enki was the god of the earth and water, he was the son of enlil. they were all gods. they agreed (mosf of the time), on matters regarding humans, although enki was fond of humans and frequently tried to help them, enlil on the other hand, was not fond of humans, but made a covenant with them when they followed the advice of enki on how to get on enlil's good side and duck the bullet.

in those stories i see enki trying to defend humanity, much in the same fashion jesus does/did.

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Im on the edge of my seat bro... LOL

*sits patiently waiting for a response*

Originally posted by Jimjolnir
Here's the Q: About the 144,000 mentioned in revelation, who are they exactly and what does it mean?

I think the OP is a little snowed under in this thread, so I venture to offer my assistance.
I'm sure he will get to you when he works through the list, but I'll offer my own answer in the meantime.

I suggest that the number is symbolical. It's constructed by multiplying out the numbers "12" (which symbolises God's people) and "10" (which symbolises completeness or perfection).
So in my thread on the subject, I interpreted this number as meaning "the fullness of God's people occupying the fullness of God's world". In other words, it means the church being prepared to enter the "new Jerusalem".

My thread on the subject can be found at the following location;
144,000