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Apple under fire for 'gay conversion' app

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posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Your false God that is the Bible, actually considers sexuality a sin. In the Bible eye, it is as much debased for Adam and Eve to have to have sex to procreate.

Yes homosexuality is a sin...
But one of the first things God told Adam and Eve to do was to procreate.




As you can see, Professional, gays are aware of their risks, and incidents are decreasing, while heteros are increasing. Alas this table is not for Africa. I've written above that I agree gay men are more at risks for diseases. Sex is too easy for gay men, and they have these sex paradises called saunas, *SNIP* like it's nothing in the world. If it was like this for straight men, open hetero orgy houses, you would just be all into it and get diseases just as fast. Well, I think it's happening more and more, straights doing sex parties, hence the heterosexual increase. It's mostly women who are not into it. It's like porn. Who watch porn? Mostly men. Men are just sexual beasts.

Not sure how this is relevant to what I said.




posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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You really believe in that Adam and Eve bedstory?
Or you're just using it to argument some
gay hate? I mean, suppose God wouldn't
exist, and all your religion would be a fabrication.
You would still think that being gay is wrong?
It is just body play, for huck's sake.
It is never mentioned in the Bible that homosexuality
is a sin. I'm sorry, you're going to have to bring
me the original hebrew and arameic texts that
mentions it the way you mention it. Because the
original texts are very unclear, and some of
the Bible texts are in fact, homoerotic.


By the way, gays can procreate. They befriend
a lesbian or vice versa and tadam! Some
day they'll be able to do it in between them.
Your God never mentioned that we couldn't
use science to procreate, and science is getting
toward joining samesex cells into embryo.

Until then, 99% of sex going on in the world
is not used to procreate, so catholics are
hypocrites. And as someone else said, stop
eating shellfish!




To the Pofessional:

Unfortunately for you, aids is getting near
a cure. Soon you will have to find
something else to argument that gays
are a danger for society.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by freedish

You are already stereotyping me as a "flat-earther" because I have faith in God. Do you not put just as much faith in science? How many times has science been wrong?


Science and facts don't get things wrong, humans get things wrong.

Science: [sahy-uhns] noun
a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws

People may have believed in the past that the sun revolved around the earth. They may have even called this "science". However, you can dress up a chicken as a cow, it still won't be a cow. Humans did not have all the facts and information and so could not draw a proper conclusion about the motion of the planets. You cannot conclude that because in the past humans have made mistakes due to a lack of information, that this then makes all these facts/science/information invalid.



Originally posted by freedishAnd just because something is found in nature doesn't mean it is 'natural'. I could say that since father lions often eat their own cubs then it's natural for human fathers to kill their babies. That is basically what you are saying when you are comparing humans to monkeys.


Well I'm certainly not going to fall for your strawman argument here. No one is arguing that because animals do something that humans should (or shouldn't ) too. There are thousands of behaviors found in animals that are also found in humans, and vice versa, however, that is not what people are arguing here, and you have seemed to miss the point entirely. People on this thread, including myself, have posted links, facts, scientific research, confirming that homosexuality is found in nature, hence it is natural...and just in case you want to challenge the definition of the word "natural", here it goes:

of or pertaining to nature; found in nature.

Homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom. It is common and widespread. It is natural.


Originally posted by freedishYour argument is invalid.


No, it really isn't. Just because you want to mischaracterize and/or misunderstand what I and others have been saying, doesn't make it invalid. The facts, are not predicated upon whether or not you are willing to accept them.


Originally posted by freedishOh wait sorry aren't I supposed to be some stupid closed minded socially backwards religious bible thumping flat-earth believing moron...................my bad.


You forgot "ignorant" and "bigoted".


Originally posted by freedishWait! Does this mean that Christians can be educated and are able to form valid conclusions based of keen observations?


Why don't you try showing yourself to be able to do so. Why is it so hard to accept the evidence and facts that have already been given to you? (I posted roughly 15+ links earlier in this thread) ...however your comments so far on this thread, have just shown your continuing ignorance.



Originally posted by freedish"Jesus says it so it must be true!"

Do you even know what Jesus said? I highly doubt it.


Is this even relevant? What's your point? My point was that it doesn't matter "what god says", "what the bible says" or what a "magical purple flying unicorn says"...religious zealots still don't get to count it as "proof" or "evidence" of something. And so far, the only thing I've heard from these religious extremists to support their view that "gays are bad/unnatural/immoral/etc" is "god says so" or "the bible says so".



In my comment that you were referring to, I was putting out a call for these same religious extremists to offer some scientific evidence to back up all the ridiculous hateful things they have been saying. Things like "gay people are pedophiles", "gay people are unnatural", "aids is cause by being gay" and so forth (all of which, btw, have been scientifically proven to be untrue, evidence, which has already been posted here & in other threads)....However, they can't offer any REAL FACTS because none exist for their claims, the best they can do is "a magical man in the sky told me so". Thus their views are based on ignorance and hate, pure and simple.

And I repeat, learn the difference between FACT and "faith"



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by freedish
Yes homosexuality is a sin...
But one of the first things God told Adam and Eve to do was to procreate.


This is exactly what I mean. Why is it a "sin"? Because "the bible says so"?


Please! you don't get to force your view of morality on everyone else...your religion does not decide the universal truth no more than the Magnificent Flying Spaghetti monster decides. We have something called separation of church and state in this country...if you want to live in a theocracy, move to a country with a theocratic government.



posted on Mar, 24 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by meeneecat

Originally posted by freedish
Yes homosexuality is a sin...
But one of the first things God told Adam and Eve to do was to procreate.


This is exactly what I mean. Why is it a "sin"? Because "the bible says so"?



Because the definition of sin is an estrangement from God. Or an act that is regarded by theologians as a transgression of God's will.

I think you are confusing the word sin with something else. If you are talking about sin then you are immediately talking about the bible.

Have you ever read the bible? Honestly...



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 12:18 AM
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Wait are we arguing now? Didn't you say you weren't going to argue with "flat-eathers?
Maybe you should have sticken to that statement because you are embarrassing yourself here




People may have believed in the past that the sun revolved around the earth. They may have even called this "science". However, you can dress up a chicken as a cow, it still won't be a cow. Humans did not have all the facts and information and so could not draw a proper conclusion about the motion of the planets. You cannot conclude that because in the past humans have made mistakes due to a lack of information, that this then makes all these facts/science/information invalid.


and so because we now know which way the planets orbit we now know that God doesn't exist?? Sounds pretty arrogant to me. You should read my signature.



Science and facts don't get things wrong, humans get things wrong.

Science is a human creation. Therefor (by your own logic) science=wrong. At least it proves itself faulty most of the time.





Homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom. It is common and widespread. It is natural.


Fine you are right. In this world of sin, homosexuality is natural. And until Jesus comes back and the Earth and restores things to the way they were it will stay that way.





Well I'm certainly not going to fall for your strawman argument here. No one is arguing that because animals do something that humans should (or shouldn't ) too.


And neither am I.
I'm just using your own logic against you. If you are saying that it is natural for humans to have homosexual behavior because monkeys do, then you are also saying that it is natural for humans to murder each other because monkeys do that too.





You forgot "ignorant" and "bigoted".

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No comment.



Why don't you try showing yourself to be able to do so. Why is it so hard to accept the evidence and facts that have already been given to you? (I posted roughly 15+ links earlier in this thread) ...however your comments so far on this thread, have just shown your continuing ignorance.

K.





And so far, the only thing I've heard from these religious extremists to support their view that "gays are bad/unnatural/immoral/etc" is "god says so" or "the bible says so".


GAYS -ARE- BAD!!!!!!!!!
BUT SO ARE RAPISTS, MURDERERS, ADULTERERS, FORNICATORS, PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS.
NOBODY IS -GOOD-. Maybe by humans standards, but in the eyes of God we are ALL sinners.
Do you not understand???
I'm not judging anybody.
We are all sinners.
We all need Jesus.
Period.





In my comment that you were referring to, I was putting out a call for these same religious extremists to offer some scientific evidence to back up all the ridiculous hateful things they have been saying. Things like "gay people are pedophiles", "gay people are unnatural", "aids is cause by being gay" and so forth (all of which, btw, have been scientifically proven to be untrue, evidence, which has already been posted here & in other threads)....However, they can't offer any REAL FACTS because none exist for their claims, the best they can do is "a magical man in the sky told me so". Thus their views are based on ignorance and hate, pure and simple. And I repeat, learn the difference between FACT and "faith"


I don't know who said this, but it wasn't me. Can you not lump all "spiritual" type people in the same category? Unless someone says that they believe Jesus died for their sins they are not a Christian. And they do NOT speak for God.

YOU need to learn the difference between RELIGION and GOD.

I am not better than you or anyone else on this planet.
I am forgiven. That's it.
And you can be too.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 02:05 AM
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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Heads up



And people need to listen

The End of Hate Speech, Subtle or Otherwise on ATS

The staff have noticed a disturbing trend in the past few days. It stops now. I hope thats clear.

There will be no further warnings.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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See the warning above? You need to stop your hate speech as in RIGHT NOW. This is the last time I respond to you since trying to argue with small headed hate filled people such as yourself only further encourages your bigoted behavior, and I know that people like you, including also racists, sexists, warmongers, homophobes, etc get off on trying to force your illogical 15th century views on the rest of us (and then subsequently sticking your fingers in your ears & going "La La La, god told me so, La La La, god is always right, facts & science are wrong, La La La La La".

By the way, you apparently don't know that Flying Spaghetti Monster is the ultimate truth in the universe. Flying Spaghetti Monster told me you are actually the anti-noodle sent here to spread hate & lies among humanity, I know this is true because the holy cookbook says so, I also know that FSM is superior to your god because he tells us so in chapter "sauces" of the holy cookbook, thus it is true. If you don't repent your wicked anti-noodle ways and accept FSM as the one true god then you will boil & bake in the firery saucepan of the underworld for all of eternity.

(See I can use bible-thumper logic too *puts fingers in ears* "la la la, flying spaghetti monster says so, la la la, I'm right youre wrong, la la la")



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 06:20 AM
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Why not , theres alot more ridiculus things being pushed and shoved down the masses throats. Maybe there is people out there that this app can help. Obviously it is something your born with for the most part and some may not like the life style of a gay man and want to try and convert. Hopefully the religious organization does this helping and counselling respectfully. I am so non religious its not even funny but I agree that hetro is the way to go because if gay is the way to go then we wouldnt exist . Pretty much a no brainer.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by dolphinfan
Why is this any different than an app that helps you lose weight? Clearly there are folks who are biologically and/or emotionally geared to being overweight and over eating and there are a bunch of apps that are meant to help those folks change their lifestyle.

This is no different.


Really? Do you often go up to fat people and start harassing them about how they can change their habits regarding cholesterol intake? Warning them of the agonies of cardiac arrest if they don't take your unsolicited health advice?

If you do, then you're kind of a jerk, aren't you? And you wouldn't be able to complain if one of those portly folks clobbered you with the ham they were gnawing on, right? Didn't think so.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Wow!!! There really is no logic to your thinking at all. Again, I'll say this slowly for you and everyone else. In this thread in particular we do not need to use the Bible as our basis for argument. There is nothing logical about the choice of homosexuality. I brought up the point earlier about the animal argument. Do you really think any monkey or dog or dolphin or any other animal has ever had anal penetrating sex? Do you think female monkeys sit around licking each other for pleasure? Absolutely not. The scientists that have done all of this " research" have an agenda. They admitted that they cannot prove anything and that by watching the animals they ASSUME they are being homosexual or bisexual. Dry humping is an instinctual thing and not sexual.
Yes, the Bible says homosexuality is wrong but obviously if you are an atheist then that means nothing to you. I am Christian and do believe my Bible but you have the choice not to. Like I said though this one is a no brainer. Homosexuality is unnatural.
Back to the topic at hand.... I'm surprised at Apple for removing this App. Freedom of speech bye bye!



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:06 AM
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Also, this is a thread about an app about homosexuality. Do you get on every thread just to spread hatred for Christians? Try sticking to the topic and leave your hatred in another thread.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Actually it does not. I am In the medical field and know that all of these complications happen in 12% of heterosexual sex, in gay sex 63% suffer disease and medical complications. Are you in the medical field or do you just google?



Since you are in the medical field, you will of course be able to provide the hard data and / or reports in a medical journal that back up these claims.....

I am not in the medical field but i can just as easily make up stats. back these up please as i am in the writing field and know that 12%of what people write is true and 63% is pure crap



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Sorry off topic post. Are you hitting return before the end of your lines? If you use firefox or safari you can make the reply box bigger and your replies would be easier to read.
To be honest I would like to read what your saying there but its hurting my head to read it like that.

On other news fronts... I heard Apple pulled the app. Can give source if needed.

So... topic is over then?



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:46 PM
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There is no free speech...not anymore.
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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So you say your a logical person but nothing you say is logical. Infact if you believe in one book and nothing but the one book then you only know one book....... I know,,, its not a book its a small library......BUT....... Its one freakin book.....YOUR Not logical and you'll never think logically. How in the world can you assume that just because animals dont act gay and we do you then realize that its unnatural????? Its moronic thinkking,, only people that follow one book could think like that............ Being gay is natural( and normal) for one simple reason( and it doesnt need science) : because it has existed since the beginning of human history. I dont care what it is ,if it has been around since the beginning then its natural . Whether we think its bad or good if its older than any scripture and its still around tom this day and counting,,its natural.........BUT Like i tell every "one booker" ,, " your a dying breed and time is on my side.

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posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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If straight people didn't make an issue out of homosexuality; I highly doubt the gays would. And that speaks volumes as to the pure imbeciles that follow this anti-gay/gay agenda movement. Gays wanting to be in your face, some of them, is their response to your initial response that negatively impacts their lives on a daily basis. Your religion teaches nothing but hate if that is what you think religion says. Your religion is responsible for the following:
Evolution is a bad theory even though it has been tried and tested and does a lot more to explain things. The idiots out there thinking that god wouldn't be smart enough to create life that adapts in this way and would make everything specific is kind of like saying the world is flat.
You fools say it doesn't exist in nature but the facts say otherwise:
www.youtube.com...

Let's see some facts about how unnatural it is, lets see you shoot a bit of smoke out your ears while you flex that brilliant muscle of yours and possibly come up with an intelligent thought with evidence to back it up.

No wonder people are dismissing your stupid religion more and more, because the facts of life are quite literally in conflict with it. There is no way your religion could ever be right when there are videos and studies with good solid evidence to prove otherwise. I'm so sorry you need to use religion as an excuse for your flawed logic in interpreting the facts, most sane people would consider it a form of dimentia with religion being exploited by your greedy soul as a crutch.



posted on Mar, 26 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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I do not hate homosexuals. At no point did I say that. Stop slandering me.

Can we try to be logical?
It seems like you aren't really reading my posts. You see the word God and your ears turn off.


Yes, criminals are sinners.
And adulterers are sinners.
And drunkards are sinners.
Even homosexuals are sinners.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN I HATE OR JUDGE HOMOSEXUALS. I ACTUALLY HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL UNCLE AND I USED TO HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL FRIEND.
I'm not picking on homosexuals.
I'm not picking on anyone.
I'm stating the truth.
We are all sinners.
We all need Jesus. Period.

I don't judge you or homosexuals or anyone else. I'm sorry if you've met "Christians" who do. That isn't very Christ like of them. Are you sure they are true Christians?
If I hated Christians and I wanted to give them a bad reputation I would say I was one and then treat people like dirt. This seems to happen a lot. And remember we are people too- nobody is perfect.

"Open your eyes, the serpent goes by many names and wears many a disguise. Open your eyes or let the poison consume you whole. Don't let the serpent catch your tongue and drown your soul." -Crimson Armada
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