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Touchdown: B-2 stealth jets return after epic 11,500 mile journey to bomb Libyan aircraft shelters

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:12 PM

Originally posted by forklift
WTF $2.1Bil for one stealth aircraft?

What is it made of? Diamonds?

Where is all this money coming from?

2.1 Billion is probably a low cost as they will leave out as much as possible on the official costs. It is also probably fair as this is / was a mostly new aircraft not able to borrow a lot of older technology requiring huge amounts of R&D, custom manufacturing and tooling, and probably whole new materials not even manufactured in bulk anywhere in the world.

It would probably have been a lot cheaper if it was made of diamonds.

The money is coming from wise investments the industrial military complex has made throughout the years to sustain itself. No wait... never mind the money comes from the American people.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:15 PM
Some of us have to wonder how much that mission cost us in fuel alone. Then there is the crew time, the refueling C-135s that met it coming and going, etc., and finally, what, was it the 2 billion dollars each one of those subsonic things supposedly cost?

And all for the reason of what?

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:31 PM
reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

I'm not saying there isn't a chance these pilots are Jerkwads, in my experience it is likely they are. I grew up in a city with 3 Air force bases nearby and have met more than a few fighter pilots.

On the other hand we absolutely can't say they aren't worthy of admiration. I'm getting the impression people believe it's some sort of joy ride and these guys aren't doing anything other than chillin out in a plane. A 25 hour combat mission is difficult, straining, and at the very least gets my respect.

I'm withholding judgement as to whether what they did was right or wrong. We simply don't have enough information to make a decision.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

If I could give you an applause buddy I would, brilliant post.

Anyone that believes war is good for anything is absolutley misinformed. People have very little idea of what takes place in these battlefields, the amount of death and destruction everyone involved is exposed too is damaging to say the least.

Look at the heartbreak from something natural, like an earthquake, to know that humans can cause more harm willfully is disheartening. And then to hear other people cheer like this is something that needs to be done shows me that some humans are ignorant of the meaning of empathy.


posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:51 PM
Doesnt that cause Deep Vein Thrombosis?

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:24 PM

Monster's puppets more like
What's America's interest in Libya and not, say, North Korea? aren't People dying there too through Dictatorship?

Oh yeah... no oil in Korea.... silly me

It will be a GOOD DAY when the World sees the end of this TERROR called America!

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:30 PM
Awesome example of freedom in the world. These big birds are the battleships of modern times symbolizing the power, freedom, and goodwill of the american people. They symbolize the only hope in a world of tyranny and suffering that if a people should rise up to demand human rights out of bondage where they had none, there is a power on earth that can oppose their masters and prevail. A world without any such hope would be an even darker place to be in.

Sorry to break up the anti-american circle jerk, continue on.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:33 PM

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Awesome example of freedom in the world. These big birds are the battleships of modern times symbolizing the power, freedom, and goodwill of the american people. They symbolize the only hope in a world of tyranny and suffering that if a people should rise up to demand human rights out of bondage where they had none, there is a power on earth that can oppose their masters and prevail. A world without any such hope would be an even darker place to be in.

Sorry to break up the anti-american circle jerk, continue on.

Yeah because nothing symbolizes good will like a 500 pound laser guided bomb!

I bet you would like one armed, live, primed and ready to detonate as a Christmas present this year?

You keep being 'good' like you are and if Santa doesn't get you one, I imagine someone else who feels all the good will you are sending their way will.

After all what goes around comes around.

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:45 PM
reply to post by forklift


WTF $2.1Bil for one stealth aircraft?

That figure came about because someone looked at the total project development cost (around $44B) and then divided by the number of units constructed (21).

Of course, since it was all "black" a whole lot of that funding might have been allocated for the B-2 R & D, but siphoned off elsewhere. The actual unit construction costs are a fraction of that figure..but, we shall never know for certain.

You also have to calculate the numbers built, in order to amortize the investment. Look at major airliner builders, and how many airplanes they must sell in order to be profitable. In addition, as well as the low numbers built, the B-2 is utilizing a lot of one-off exotic materials, and manufacturing processes.

As opposed to say...Douglas, for example...back in the 1960s and designing the DC-10? For the cockpit sliding windows, the locking latch handle was simply the same handle that was used on the the throttle quadrant, for the propeller pitch controls. They just re-purposed it, saved them a bundle there, not having to design something from scratch. Thousands of other examples....

...the B-2? Nope, you can consider each of them to be "custom-built" with only the highest quality materials.

Just as you can buy an assembly-line production automobile for around $20, can also (if wealthy) choose to purchase a very unique, hand-made Maserati or (some such....pick a car) ....for about twenty times the price.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:46 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Oh how the anti-american fanatacs would just wish the images of Libyan rebels dancing in the streets after our intervention would just go away. But it won't, it stands as testimony that our goodwill has been accepted and appreciated. Bombs away and a salute to the heros who fly these big bad boys.
You only come off as a cheerleader for Kaddafi by making false statements based on zero facts and full of anti-american emotion.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:57 PM
reply to post by TinfoilTP

No one is promoting violence here.

We are saying WAR is no answer to anything, blood should not have to be shed in order for people to be free.

Look at the tech we have in military right now, if we wanted to we could take down kaddafi individually, give him the options of peaceful surrender or deal with the problem. Why must we involve innocent bystanders that are doing nothing but trying to survive?

With the amount our technology has progressed I have yet to understand how we still kill so many innocent bystanders, we have not become more efficient, all we have done is make bigger bombs.

War has never solved anything, and I do mean nothing.

Going to war for peace is like having sex for virginity...


posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:01 PM

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:03 PM

Originally posted by starviego
The US military looks real tough against small, weak opponents. I wonder how 'heroic' our forces would be going up against a Russia or China--people who could actually fight back.

You say that as if we are doing this on our own, when in fact it is the decision of the UN and is being led by Britain and France and the US more or less following the lead for a change...

Not that I agree with the US involvement, because I don't... At all... But come on. Be fair at least.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:05 PM
reply to post by anon72

b-2 stealth jet 2.1 billion$

a roll of quarters 10$

toss 'em into a turbine. Priceless

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:11 PM

Originally posted by xavi1000
I smell a troll,disinfo agent..... guess who ?

He first showed up and made his first posts on my thread about HB Gary software that makes sock puppet posters for message boards and social network sites for the Intelligence Community and Military.

I bet you can guess what those posts were like.

It's a sad argument, God bless the mighty USA and everything that it does and if you don't you are an enemy of the state and some dangerous ungrateful malcontent.

You know the kind of person that they would like to defend in Libya, but defame here.

Go figure.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:13 PM
reply to post by getreadyalready

Everyone is weak compared to the US Air Force. Nothing even comes close to comparing.

i'm sure that the soviet pilots of those multi-million dollar super attack choppers felt the same until some crazy afghan on a horse armed only with a bola made out of a length of chain brought them down.

strength isn't about who has the sexiest most expensive tech,
strength comes from the Spirit.

and in a fight/battle/war the winner is whoever is willing to go the furthest.

see my previous post

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:15 PM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:25 PM
reply to post by getreadyalready

Imagine what we have that is not declassified!

Yea, imagine,

While I don't like what has and is happening, are the Libyan rebels happy?

This is such a convoluted mess.

and while Obama was bombing Libya in the name of democracy, anti war protesters were being arrested in Washington,

Go figure.

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:26 PM

Originally posted by xavi1000
I smell a troll,disinfo agent..... guess who ?

Ah the last resort card in the deck when faced with utter defeat.
It must have been the awesome power of the image of these big mighty birds.
These big bad boys were used to take out highly defended air and anti air targets. They are the no fly zone makers, the assets that make it all possible. The UN would not have the option to safely dictate no fly zones if it wasn't for hardware such as this. Safety on both sides of the fence, highly accurate and impossible to shoot down. Worth every penny, some would say priceless like a great work of art.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:31 PM
reply to post by Gixxer

Originally posted by Gixxer
wow it is so awesome to read the posts in this thread made by couch commandos whom have no idea what the price of liberty and freedom is, these military men are following orders and my hat is off to them good luck boys!

as far as the rest of you lazy,UN-patriotic pieces of crap i really hope you never need the military to come save you.....but you know what even after the crap you talk about them if you ever did need them they would still help your worthless asses because thats their job!

also for the record the innocent people were being killed before this started that's why were bombing them....idiots

vigilance is the price of liberty and freedom those who kill from a distance are neither heroes or warriors and are not given to introspection

as a citizen of the us i take offense at soldier-boys calling me unpatriotic,
patriotism is the ultimate refuge of scoundrels, and nationalism and flag-worship are idolatry
keep your help, if i have to fawn over you, and swallow your crapspew about my ass being worthless, with the money wasted by the MIC we could have been colonizing jupiters moons by now there would be no children in this country going hungry tonight and without a roof over their heads

've been sharing the following links on all the Libya related threads 'cause a lot of people have been drinking the kool-aid on this one

Obama asks Saudis to airlift weapons into Benghazi

Exclusive: Benghazi Explosion – Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected

Tactical BS more like it, it was the BS meter that actually exploded
, later shown to be the bombing of a local arms depot/cache

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler The headline ought to read Tactical Nuke Use By Gaddafi Suspected by Donald Duck. The article seems to be making a case for that any explosion anywhere that either hurts or offends the sensibilities of Americans is a tactical nuke! The article also suggests the Oklahoma Bombing was a tactical nuclear device! Seems like yet another sensationalized accusation of the kind that gave us WMD in Iraq. Just a lot of unsubstantiated gibberish designed to enflame and anger people and get people here thinking about paying for another war for oil. How many times are the American people going to get fooled by the same old song and dance, wrap it in a flag, and have God bless it, and presto whamo American bombs start snuffing out 'collateral damage' everywhere.

hope you don't mind Proto

Benghazi's importance to Libya and possibly the World:
also explains why Qaddafi has come down really harsh on these "rebels"

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' to change its topography – turning sand into soil. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. …The Great Man-Made River, which is leader Muammar Qaddafi's ambitious answer to the country’s water problems, irrigates Libya’s large desert farms. The 2,333-mile network of pipes ferry water from four major underground aquifers in southern Libya to the northern population centers. Wells punctuate the water’s path, allowing farmers to utilize the water network in their fields. ... “Water is more precious for us than oil. ... Water here in Libya, it’s life.”

after all why would Qaddafi want to damage or destroy a 26-year, $20+ billion project that he considers his life's work?

Virtually unknown in the West: Libya's water resources. The real reason for toppling Quadaffi?

Libya: British plans to strip Gaddafi of oil revenue

Libya False Flag -part 1: Reuters Hoax EXPOSED
World Cheers as the CIA Plunges Libya Into Chaos

How was Libya doing under the rule of Gadaffi? How bad did the people have it? Were they oppressed as we now commonly accept as fact? Let us look at the facts for a moment.

Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic. It ranked 61st. Libya had the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa. Libya had the highest life expectancy of all of Africa. Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.People in Libya were rich. Libya had the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa. The government took care to ensure that everyone in the country shared in the wealth. Libya had the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent. The wealth was distributed equally. In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands.

How does Libya get so rich? The answer is oil. The country has a lot of oil, and does not allow foreign corporations to steal the resources while the population starves, unlike countries like Nigeria, a country that is basically run by Shell.

Like any country, Libya suffers from a government with corrupt bureaucrats that try to gain a bigger portion of the pie at the cost of everyone else. In response to this, Kadaffi called for the oil revenue to be distributed directly to the people, because in his opinion, the government was failing the people. However, unlike the article claims, Kadaffi is not the president of Libya. In fact he holds no official position in the government. This is the big mistake that people make. They claim that Kadaffi rules over Libya when in fact he doesn't, his position is more or less ceremonial. He should be compared to a founding father.

The true leader of Libya is an indirectly elected prime-minister. The current prime-minister is
Baghdadi Mahmudi. Calling Khadaffi the leader of Libya is comparable to calling Akihito the leader of Japan. Contrary to what your media is sketching, opinions in Libya vary. Some people support Gadaffi but want Mahmudi out. Others want both out. Many just want to live their life in peace. However, effort is taken to sketch the appearance of a popular revolt against the supposed leader of Libya, Gadaffi, when in fact he is just the architect of Libya's current political system, a mixture of pan-Arabism, socialism, and Islamic government.

Are the protesters in Libya comparable to the protesters in Egypt and Tunisia? Not at all. The governments reaction is more violent, and obviously excessive violence is being used. However let us look for a moment at the actions of the protesters. The building of the the general people's congress, the parliament of Libya, was put on fire by angry protestors. This is comparable to protesters putting the United States Capitol on fire. Do you think that for even a moment the US government would sit idly by as protesters put the US capitol on fire?

Great Britain funded an Al Qaeda cell in Libya, in an attempt to assassinate Gadaffi. The main opposition group in Libya now is the National Front for the Salvation of Libya. This opposition group is being funded by Saudi Arabia, the CIA, and French Intelligence. This group unified itself with other opposition groups, to become the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition. It was this organization that called for the "Day of Rage" that plunged Libya into chaos on February 17 of this year.

It did this in Benghazi, a conservative city that has always been opposed to Gadaffi's rule. It should be noted that the National Front for the Salvation of Libya is well armed. In 1996 the group tried to unleash a revolution in the eastern part of Libya before. It used the Libyan National Army, the armed division of the NFSL to begin this failed uprising.

Why is the United States so opposed to Gadaffi? He is the main threat to US hegemony in Africa, because he attempts to unite the continent against the United States. This concept is called the United States of Africa. In fact, Gadaffi holds all sorts of ideas that are contrary to US interests. The man blames the United States government for the creation of HIV. He claims that Israel is behind the assasination of Martin Luther King and president John. F. Kennedy. He says that the 9/11 hijackers were trained in the US. He also urged Libyans to donate blood to Americans after 9/11. Khadaffi is also the last of a generation of moderate socialist pan-Arab revolutionaries that is still in power, after Nasser and Hussein have been eliminated, and Syria has aligned itself with Iran.The United States and Israel however have no interest in a strong Arab world. In fact it seems that elementary to the plan is bringing Libya to its knees through chaos and anarchy. In late 2010, the United Kingdom was still propping up the Libyan government through lucrative arms sales. Nothing is a better guarantee to destroy Libya than a bloody civil war. The tribal system that is still strong in Libya is useful to exploit to generate such a war since Libya has historically been divided into various tribal groups.

This is also why the Libyan government responds by importing mercenaries. Tribal allegiances go before allegiance to the government, especially in Benghazi, and thus the central government has no control over the eastern part of the country anymore. The alternative to mercenaries is a conflict between the various ethnic groups. Gadaffi has tried for 41 years to make the country more homogeneous, but opposition groups funded by outside forced will take little more than a few days to put the country back into the 19th century, before the region was conquered and unified by Europeans. The violence is indeed excessive, but everyone seems to forget that the situation is not the same as in Tunis and Egypt. Tribal ties play a far greater role, and thus the conflict will unfortunately be bloodier.

Kissinger plan to transform North Africa and Middle East into Turkmenistan

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