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Old Lady Stops Robbery - 'Are 'new generations' being conditioned to not resist?

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:36 AM

In this video a jewlers in a London highstreet is being robbed in broad daylight. Not guns just sledgehammers are being used to break the shops windows. A lone old lady attacks trying to stop them and only after the others have sped of and she has stunned the one left behind do the 'brave' public subdue him. I want to note that the older lady is from a generation where people had better morals and less fear about doing the right thing, compared with modern day people who are too afraid to act a lot of the time.

Others watch and film while calling police, but noone tries to stop them. This is not a unique case, I have seen many people watch as assaults take place and have even got involved while a friend of mine sgtand idley by.
In this clip I would like to have thought that when the old women moves in that the public would at least go to help to ensure that she is not harmed by the robbers, but no it seems that everyone only moves in when one is alone and outnumbered after she has stunned him, which I find truely cowardly, she could have been killed easily had they attacked her and the noble thing at least would have been to get in between her and them in a non-threatening way to ensure she is not harmed.

This really gets to me because as a society we are so selfish that we dont help others in danger. I know the shop has insurance and its silly to get killed over it blah blah, but its just an example and if everyone stood up everytime these crimes happened they just could not take place.

But is there another agenda here? Shopkeepers are told to cooperate with robbers even when they are not armed!??! Police tell us to not try and get involved in incidents. In this video in Seattle - a girl is viciously assaulted as securty stand by, making no real effort to interfere, no public try and get involved, too afraid that the gang will harm them. Why? The security are told to not put themselves in harms way!!! Am I the only one who thinks we are being made into a passive mass of people scared of our own shadows?

I know some people subscribe to the theory that you shouldnt put yourself at risk, but im sorry you need to in order to stop awful acts happening. I myself when I was younger have been in a situation where I was hit in the face with a glass while out alone with my x girlfriend (on her birthday) and two passes by got in between me and the group of people who attacked me. I was arrested for defending myself, cautioned for assuault and told I could appeal it, bit would risk a criminal record. My x was in hysterics as I was covered in blood and her birthday had been ruined at the first bar we went to after just one drink, they told her she was making a scene and arrrested her for a public order offence. She was give na £70 fine and I just had a caution and no fine and they had me on cctv punching a guy after I had been glassed.....very odd.

By punching the much larger GENTLEMAN!!?! (as the police described him) to try and make him think twice about following up the attack, gave me enough time to get some distance away as bullies like this like to pick targets who they think wont fight back. This probably got me arrested, but saved me from a much worse beating. Despite being told I wasnt at fault I was told I used excessive force (one punch)

I believe that as a society we are being taught to be passive so that if eventually there is a strict crackdown on our rights we wont try and fight back. Say what you will about America and its gun laws, but I am glad at least one country has a large group of citizens who are armed and willing to defend themselves if they have to.

If we as a society all stood up to oppression in any form it would make it nearly impossible to break us down. Attackers in the street would be too worried about citizens who would not hesitate to stop them and collectively we would be too much for the government to control (not to mention our armed forces and police all have relatives and friends who are civilians who im sure they would feel wrongly about severly oppressing....i hope!)

Anyway this really gets to me as you can tell. I used to have a best friend (god knowws why) who I fell out with as he was very selfish and when we were in blackpool for a festival we saw a guy getting badly beaten up, I was seriously worried that it had gone too far and went over to at least get them to back of. My friend stopped me and later said 'why risk getting beaten up for some random guy'. This time I actually didnt do as much as I should have and felt awful about it. The guy was ok in the end and taken to hospital but I cant help feeling it could have been much worse. To answer my friend though why??? because its moraly wrong to not try and do something and also if everyone did this then when it happens to you maybe someone might do you the same favour out of the goodness of their heart. The same time on the beach some drunk chavs started on a drunker older guy and a brummie punk kid who was there for the festival on his own stood up to the group who left in fear that someone wasnt afraid of them (very funny indeed btw) and acts like this give me some hope.

Anyway this is draggin on, I just wanted to make the point that this attitude is makingus easier to control and its not morally right to stand by when someone else is being harmed or in danger. Feel free to discuss what you think and your experiences good and bad. I have great faith in humanity, but feel that we as a collective have become very selfish in the face of danger.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:46 AM
This is a jewlers....their business is based on murder and exploitation of poorer nations. Slaves dig by hand all day to find precious stones.....they are paid bugger all for their hard graft. Women...children and men are in the mines 20 hours a day. A $1000 diamond is bought for $10. The real criminals are the jewlers themselves.

If it were someones home id help....i wouldn't help a corporation...why should i risk my life for the faceless shareholders?? If i worked in a shop and was robbed id hand everything over...its not mine, the store doesnt care about me just about how much money i can make for them. Would they have cared if this old lady had been injured or killed?? I doubt it.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:48 AM
This reminds me of the video of the psychological experiment where they have actors pretending to be a abductor and a small child, and the child is screaming for help, saying they aren't his parents etc.

No one helps for the first twenty clips or so, then two black dudes finally go over and intervene.

Goes to show how passive some people will be just so they don't get involved in conflict.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:50 AM
It seems to be a sad truth of the world today. I have seen the same thing, three guys beating a single guy in the street and people walking around the indecent and taking pictures with their cell phones as they continue on their way. My brother and I pulled off two of the guys and where promptly arrested when the police arrived a few minutes later. We where charged with all things disturbing the peace, which when you think about it I suppose we where because no one else seemed to be bothered at all. It is sad that this is what we have become. All I have left to so is go grandmother, hopefully her actions will shame the young into action next time.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 12:02 PM
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

I dont think you read my post. My point was the old lady was in serious danger and noone tried to stop her from getting hurt at all. Some jewlers actually dont operate like this as wellso its unfair to say that about every single one, but yea you are right in principle, but this was jusgt an example of how people dont help when someone is in danger, insurance pays for that stuff anyway like I said. I think you just read a small portion of this because Im not talking about that at all.

Check the second video I posted as well thats purely a random attack whre they also steal the girls purse afterwards. How come you didnt mention that? Please read the entire thing before posting as you seem to have implied im ignorent for worrying about the jewlers when in fact I couldnt give a toss about them. This thread is not about that AT ALL!

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 12:04 PM
reply to post by amcdermott20

Thats crazy! I'd like to see that. Derren Brown did something that is related to this but different. He had 3 people in a room filling forms in that was filling with smoke as if the adjacent room was on fire. Two actors ignored it like nothing was going on and the guy the show was following around said nothing for absolutely ages! Why!?!?! Some people are so shy they dont wana speak up even when its obvious something is horribly wrong!

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:07 PM
I seriously feel like there is no hope for the future. The masses are mindless cowards, and I can't think of anything that would galvanize a change in the public conscious this late in the game.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by wtf1is1happening

Its an old idea and one loathed by many people but standard military service could change people like this as it always seems to be soldiers or x soldiers in the news who actually stop people. But then that isnt what being free is about I guess ey?

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:17 PM
reply to post by wtf1is1happening

There is always hope, if only one person in encouraged to act due to the actions of another and they in turn inspire one other things can change. Or we have three people doing something

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:30 PM
reply to post by DrCarter

Optimism is a great thing to have in today's climate. However the reality seems to be the exact opposite of what you're proposing.

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:25 AM
reply to post by clintdelicious

It's because people have gotten in trouble, killed, etc. for taking action. That's the fear half of it. The other half of it is usually they think it won't end up worse then it needs to be or that someone else will be the "hero". Here's my belief, sheeple have been trained to be observers from thinking that there's "heroes" out there that will swoop in and save the day. This is cause it was the older generations were the ones to do this. Unfortunantly the older generation is well, getting older. And the few people that those beliefs have passed to are getting fewer every generation.

In my experience, there are going to be no other heroes besides ourselves. No Superman, no batman, no military badass to come save the day. You don't stop and wait for the hero. The only way that the situation is going to come under control is if you control it yourself.

I've been the guy through highschool and my job that will march on in and control a situation to the best of my ability, with the best solution. There are times where people need to be talked down, and there are times when we need to fight.
Highschool, some creepo tried to corner my girlfriend on her way to a class. I grabbed the back of his hair, told him if he harassed us ever again, I would make sure he was to be put in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Then I slammed his head against the wall which knocked him out cold.
A gang was surrounding my best friend. I run up, jump onto one guys back slamming him into the ground, rolled, grabbed another guy and threw him, and the rest decided to split at that point.
Took several cuts across the arm when a guy pulled a knife on me, I jammed a pen into the gap of his collarbone. If you're going to fight do it with your fists. If you bring a knife to a fist fight, I will not hesitate to put you in a hospital.
A guy pulled a gun to rob me in new orleans. Luckily it was right in my face, so I pulled my head to the side, grabed the gun, yank twisting to break his trigger finger, he ran and I dismantled the gun, tossing it into several trashbins.
A drill sargeant was a major prick to the other privates. Had a whole thing about him thinking we were all homosexuals. I got annoyed and basically said he's pushing his closet identity onto us. Of course it pisses him off and he throws a swing, I shoved him into the lockers and hit the side of his head, dropping him.

If you don't take action you will get hurt or killed. Inaction is as good as being a comotose victim.

posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:10 PM
reply to post by furzball

I totally agree with you abut taking control of a situation and fighting when others just watch someting happening. But that was really embarressing reading your list of things that you have done tha you are obviously very proud of. We need to be able to apply ourselves in these situations, but bragging about this and this and this on an internet forum is just silly and whether its true or npt most people wont believe you because real tough guys don't need to brag about what they have done; How can you not find that post toally embarressing?
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posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 12:35 PM
Social psychology has a name for this phenomenon: diffusion of responsibility.

The more people in a situation, the less likely anyone will be to do anything about it. Back in the 80's there was a famous case in NYC where a woman was beaten and murdered in the courtyard of her apartment complex. Despite 40 minutes of screaming, despite hundreds of residents rushing to their balconies to witness the grisly murder, nobody called 911. Why? Because somebody else has SURELY already called them.

Lesson: If you are ever in a situation where your safety is being compromised, and you realize you're being watched by several witnesses, point at one of them and tell them to call 911. Due to the social pressure that person will endure from every other member of that group, I promise, they will call 911. Otherwise, you can bet on the fact that every person in that group is assuming someone else has already called for help and that could really cost you.

posted on Apr, 14 2011 @ 01:54 PM
It's because big money has conditioned us
not to take action without the presence of our lawyer.
And if we don't have one, to not take any kind of action at all.

David Grouchy

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