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In 1995, The Renegade debuted in WCW as Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage's "secret weapon," using ring attire and mannerisms that closely resembled Warrior's, even going so far as referring to the then-unseen Renegade prior to the event in which he debuted as their "Ultimate Surprise". Renegade was later used as Warrior's stunt double when Warrior himself was in WCW for a brief time in 1998.
Originally posted by Hefficide
Regarding the "stunt double" statement....
the only reason I can think of stunt doubles being used is for the "work" vignette segments, the video clips where wrestlers are hit by cars, attacked in the street, etc.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by BrokenCircles
The Warrior left W##, but Renegade was pretending to be The Warrior. Took over The Real Warrior's upcoming matches. similar body build and height; same paint and other attire. You could tell the difference, but he made a decent look-alike replacement.
Originally posted by strawberry91
wasnt trying to poke fun at OPs age lol though it does look kinda bad, Im sure he understood what I meant.
originally posted by: Hefficide
Those who know me personally are aware of my shameful little secret... I enjoy watching wrestling on the television. I just cannot help myself. As a boy, of about 10 or 11 years old, I came across a televised wrestling show, hosted by Gordon Solie, and I was instantly hooked. On my screen I saw characters who were like super heroes, but weren't simply animations on a page - they were real flesh and blood human beings. Chief Wahoo McDaniels, Bruiser Brody, Adrian Street, The Brisco Brothers, Harley Race... Bigger than life characters who piqued my curiosity and pulled me in.
It was magical. It is intended to be magical. It is theater, after all. Some folks become spell bound watching plays, or the opera... For me it was watching Jimmy Snuka fly off the top of a cage. I lacked the words to explain the magic, then, and I still, for the most part, lack them now.
i know im 4 years late, but i have to say, i agree with you.. to wwe, wrestling is a very bad word.. vince doesnt want to tie himself down to just one entity. i remember going to robarts arena in sarasota fl in the 80s to see sullivan, funk, dusty, windham, lugar.. to me wrestling was like superheros.. now, the guys do not even try to be good.. do u notice the basically all do the same moves, same style and none of these guys are over?? shoot i remember old skool wwe where the enhancement talent like sd jones, steve lombardi etc. were over like rover... jusr seeing the guys in the ring when you were live was like a special attraction. i remember when andre only came on tv 10 times a year and was mystical but today, big show is on every episode and gets beat by guys just coming up... its a true joke.
thanks for listening
And, yes... oh God, yes... I know it is scripted. I know it is, in all honesty, little more than a highly refined circus side show act - taken to stellar levels with pyrotechnics and loud music. But, even knowing, I still get caught up.
As a fan I've lived through the days of televised wrestling events coming from school auditoriums and small clubs. I've lived through Monday Night wars. I remember the days, before the lawsuits, when my favorite company was the WWF. I also remember when I couldn't bear to watch Hulk Hogan telling me to eat my vitamins, while wearing neon clothing - causing me to turn off the WWF and begin watching WCW.
I remember the attitude era.
I remember discovering ECW and forsaking both of the big two.
I remember the "invasion" that brought me home to the WWF - only to have to retrain my brain, shortly thereafter, into thinking of it as the WWE.
Over the years I have come and gone from the fold of fanhood. Currently I do not have cable and am constantly thinking about the poor decision, on your part, to have all of your programming on cable networks... The number of fans you are missing is probably substantial. But I've never judged that, business is business, after all. Still, it is not uncommon for me, on Monday nights, to find myself wishing I did have the extra cash to throw at cable - and wondering just what is happening on RAW.
Not a day goes by that I don't check the online dirt sheets to read about your product Mr. McMahon. Not a single day. I still keep up with it, even as a 44 year old man. Even after watching for more than three decades, buying numerous PPV events, and attending a few live ones... I have not burned out yet. My DVD collection is cluttered with your products, and I watch them often. I am what your demographic sheets don't seem to be able to peg down with simple numbers. Mr. McMahon, I am a die hard, life long fan.
So, imagine my surprise when I wake up today and come across an article that includes this:
Whoooa Nellie! When Brands Go Horribly Wrong: Psst--Vince McMahon and the WWE Are No Longer In the Wrestling Business. Publicist Alerts the Media.
Next thing I know, I’ve received an email from one Kellie Baldyga, a publicist for WWE, DEMANDING that we correct the story. She also copied our owner, Rance Crain, on the email.
What had drawn her ire was the headline. Baldyga wrote in her email, “We are no longer a wrestling company but rather a global entertainment company with a movie studio, international licensing deals, publisher of three magazines, consumer good distributor and more.”
The basis of the article is that a writer penned an article questioning Drew Carey being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame - and he used the word "wrestling" in said article. A WWE publicist contacted him and asked him to remove the word "wrestling" immediately.
Her statement was that they don't call their events "wrestling". They call them "entertainments".
Mr. McMahon do you recall how much fun you had making fun of Ted Turner when he banned the words "foreign object" from WCW, ruling that the word "foreign" MUST be replaced with the word "international"? Do you recall you and your staff having a field day discussing wrestlers bringing "international objects" into the ring?
Now this? Mr. McMahon, it is my humble and respectful opinion that you have lost touch with the core of what it is that your fans want and think. Just as Ted Turner once did. Your company IS WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT! The word wrestling is in there. While I completely understand your desire to branch out and to become a fully fledged movie studio / record label / total media company, I cannot begin to fathom how you'd try to downplay the very nature of this branch of your empire???
IT'S WRESTLING MR. MCMAHON! If you require me to call them superstars and divas? So be it. If you wish that I think and speak in euphemism and call it "sports entertainment"? Fine. But to sick publicists on writers who use the "W" word in any context while describing your product? Poor form Mr. McMahon. Very poor form.
You can easily distance your movie and music products from the "sports entertainment" arm of your empire. Doing this would not upset the fans at all. Even if we all know that you do use the wrestling arm of your company as a means of building these other ventures. You put SUPERSTARS in your movies so that your SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT (WRESTLING) FANS WILL BE A BUILT IN AUDIENCE!
But this... This Mr. McMahon feels like you are ashamed of us, the fans of this product. And, frankly, the event has left me wondering if I care to patronize your product on any level, at all. If you are that embarrassed of me, a wrestling fan, who has always stood by your product, even when others mocked it and me for liking it... For you to act ashamed of me? I find it disturbing.
If I were you I think I might make some peace with the word "wrestling". After all it is the word that made you rich.
Even so, I do thank you for 30 years of enjoyment. Now it's up to you whether I'll have 30 more.