Libya: Rule out sending in ground troops, MPs tell David Cameron, page 2

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reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 09:40 AM by ararisq

From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of

Tripoli

;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land, and sea;
First to fight for right and freedom
And to keep our honor clean:
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marine.
Our flag's unfurled to every breeze
From dawn to setting sun;
We have fought in every clime and place
Where we could take a gun;
In the snow of far-off Northern lands
And in sunny tropic scenes;
You will find us always on the job
The United States Marines.
Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve;
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines.

Well, they are headed in. How do I know? Because a politician told me they weren't.

reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 10:20 AM by TinfoilTP

reply to post by kwakakev

First of all there is no such thing as alciaduh. That's just childish jibberish.
Second of all you are purposely misrepresenting the evidence. The rebels took over the entire country up to Tripoli until Kaddafi started using his airforce and decimating them. You don't seem to have a problem when Kaddafi was killing and maiming and wiping out water systems etc. with air power and armor.
He was sanctioned, assets frozen and embargoed, didn't work. He was offered to leave, he didn't go. Even Napolean knew when it was time to count his losses and bail, so did Mubarak so there was decent precedent he could follow in leaving. Now he'll have to face an end in the manner of Saddam or Mousilini, only himself to blame in the eyes of the established world institutions and in all legalities set forth by them.

The UN is only good when it suits a favored cause it seems, and to some it is obviously great as a podium for the Palestinians but no good when used to stop a dictator from killing his own people. The double standard some make so blatantly obvious undermines the UN all the time. The Palestinian card is really lame and has no bearing getting pulled here in the first place. It's at least not totally fictitious like the imaginary alciaduh card though.

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reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 10:48 AM by kwakakev

reply to post by TinfoilTP

There has been a much stronger media blackout of the events surrounding Libya compared to Egypt and it has been harder to gauge the public opinion with these demonstrations. Conformation of where the public support is was solidified when 1 million guns where handed out. No leader who felt threatened by revolution from his people would do this.

What would America do if some militia decided to take on Washington and lost, then Russia and China decided to jump in and take on Washington as well? Just because there was an assault on the leadership does not mean there is the over ridding public will for revolution and it does not mean other counties can jump in and start blowing stuff up.

reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 11:00 AM by legalizeit

Originally posted by kaleshchand
Also they don't have an exit plan.
www.businessweek.com...
So that may just mean that once they are there they will stay there. Why amt I not surprised?

You only need an exit plan if you intend to leave .. this is about world domination nfortunately .. once you have your foot in the door .. it stays open .. no matter what ANYONE says .. they will easily and smootly find a way to get troops on the ground in Libya too.. just like how smootly they got the no fly zone and bombed gadaffi ANYWAY ... thats what they do ! ... they're good at this with everyone in their pockets .. taking advantage of their millitary power and money to get to corrupt leaders ... and threatening them if necessary .. either way the arab word will soon show headlines that they support the US (whether they like it or not) .. even Cameron will get approval from his stupid MP's .. they are just like the congressmen here .. stupid .. just oppose and make noise to waste time .. to show they are doing something .. no matter how useless .. then they all fall in line in the end and support ..

reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 11:13 AM by MrWendal

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Are you kidding? This will be over soon, an easy cakewalk after Kaddafi lost at Benghazi.
His commanders in the field know it is certain death to face the rebels, it is also certain death to form columns and try to get back to Tripoli. Whole columns of armor lay wasted just from day one of air attacks.
The rebels will be back at the gates of Tripoli, and they probably wont have to fire a bullet. They will be able to take prisoners or defectors with broomsticks.
If Kaddafi arms the residents of Tripoli like he threatened, he will be cutting his own throat quicker because they will use them same weapons to rise up against him when the rebel army gets there.

Will it be over as fast as Iraq was? If memory serves me correctly, the US Coalition forces had no problem steamrolling over Iraq's military, the problem came when the US didn't leave. Maybe you didn't notice, but even though we rolled right over Iraq's military and killed Saddam and his children... we are still there and there is still fighting.

reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 05:00 PM by TinfoilTP

reply to post by MrWendal

No boots on the ground.

4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council

note,
while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory

www.un.org...

So with the absence of any occupation force, how is this even remotely comparable to Iraq?
There will be no foreign occupation under the current UN resolution.

reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 10:02 PM by Dachende

reply to post by TinfoilTP

Name ONE U.N resolution in the last ten years that hasn't been broken during the wars in the middle east?

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 01:41 AM by kwakakev

reply to post by TinfoilTP

No boots on the ground.

I can understand your faith in they system, I use to have it. I hope you are right in that troops will not be on the ground. Unfortunately I cannot see it from past experience, it is going to take a lot of pressure from the international community to get the western alliance to stand down. After the air strikes have weakened the country, it will not be called an invasion but a peace keeping mission. Time will tell, I really do hope you are right on this one.

edit on 22-3-2011 by kwakakev because: added 'it'

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 03:18 AM by MrWendal

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by MrWendal

No boots on the ground.

4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council

note,
while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory

www.un.org...

So with the absence of any occupation force, how is this even remotely comparable to Iraq?
There will be no foreign occupation under the current UN resolution.

The key words in what you said is "The current UN resolution" .. so what stops them from changing the resolution? If memory serves me correctly we were not going to be an occupying force in Iraq or Afghanistan, but what are we today?

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 01:19 PM by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by MrWendal

No boots on the ground.

4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council

note,
while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory

www.un.org...

So with the absence of any occupation force, how is this even remotely comparable to Iraq?
There will be no foreign occupation under the current UN resolution.

The key words in what you said is "The current UN resolution" .. so what stops them from changing the resolution? If memory serves me correctly we were not going to be an occupying force in Iraq or Afghanistan, but what are we today?

In order to get another UN resolution, China and Russia will have to not use their veto power and vote abstain again. That is highly unlikely evidenced by Russia's hypocritical statements against the Libya action after they abstained last time. It only takes one veto to stop a resolution.

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 01:24 PM by xavi1000

For all of you who promote and defend this no fly crap zone and "protecting " civilians crap ..ground troops are already preparing :
U.S. troops arrive in Greece in Libya buildup

as part of contingency planning to provide the president (Barack Obama) flexibility on full range of option regarding Libya

www.usatoday.com...

edit on 22-3-2011 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 01:34 PM by exroyalnavy

Will some of you get one thing straight: Gadaffi has NOT handed out guns to all and sundry, only his own supporters in and around Tripoli. They consist of his own Gadaffi tribe, his wife`s Magrahi tribe and about four others.
Libya is about to be split into two independent countries: East and West. Both have oil but water is the bigger strategic asset here.

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 01:54 PM by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by xavi1000
For all of you who promote and defend this no fly crap zone and "protecting " civilians crap ..ground troops are already preparing :
U.S. troops arrive in Greece in Libya buildup

as part of contingency planning to provide the president (Barack Obama) flexibility on full range of option regarding Libya

www.usatoday.com...
edit on 22-3-2011 by xavi1000 because: (no reason given)

That article is from 3/3/2011
Try finding some relevant news.
It makes sense 19 days ago a troop deployment was on the table. It put presure on Gaddafi, Russia, and China. The Russians and Chinese wanted the stipulation of no occupying forces so the US had to threaten it in order to seem to give them something to get their abstain vote.

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 02:06 PM by xavi1000

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

It makes sense 19 days ago a troop deployment was on the table.

Who are you ? Dick Cheney? what sense you war lover ? what sense?

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 03:00 PM by MikeboydUS

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Way to go on spreading misinformation.

Palestinian casualties by Israel's Operation Cast Lead: 1400

Palestinian Ministry of Health: 1440
unispal.un.org...

Palestinian Center for Human Rights: 1417
www.pchrgaza.org...

Amnesty International: 1400
news.bbc.co.uk...

reply posted on 22-3-2011 @ 03:04 PM by MikeboydUS

reply to post by xavi1000

We have thousands of airborne troops based in Italy, which is closer to Libya

500 Marines in Greece is insignificant.

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