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Libya: Rule out sending in ground troops, MPs tell David Cameron

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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David Cameron will today come under pressure from MPs to rule out a ground invasion of Libya.


Libya Ground Invasion By UK Forces


the Chancellor, and William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, have refused to rule out the possibility of troops being deployed.




The United Nations resolution said only that there would be no foreign occupation.





He also said that the action against Libya was intended to "save lives" and was not about "regime change".



Well there you go only now the media admits the united kingdom will rethink the possibility of sending UK Ground Forces into Libya of course they will have there MPs to vote on it but expect a huge yes.

So official if this happens you know what will come next, i could only imagine the Russians and Chinese having a secret meeting how to deal with the western forces.


This wont end very well.




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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:29 AM
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Also they don't have an exit plan.
www.businessweek.com...
So that may just mean that once they are there they will stay there. Why am I not surprised?



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:37 AM
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Originally posted by kaleshchand
Also they don't have an exit plan.
www.businessweek.com...
So that may just mean that once they are there they will stay there. Why am I not surprised?


They barely have an entrance plan. Do some bombing, and then...?



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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www.telegraph.co.uk...

typical British pro war support for an invasion




Libya commentary: invasion may be only way to end this



i hope not case that would start world war three



As David Cameron remarked only four weeks ago, you cannot "drop democracy from 40,000 feet". The only way to get rid of a determined and resourceful dictator like Gaddafi is to send in ground troops to drive him from his bunker.





The conflicts in Kosovo in 1999 and Iraq in 2003 both began with the imposition of no–fly zones. But Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic and Iraq's Saddam Hussein were only defeated by the introduction of ground troops.



And now Kosovo , bosnia are still a huge mess go figure, guess what in bosnia the bread costs 3 dollar more what any change will be brought in Libya? are those rebels stupid idiots drugged addicts?

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:09 AM
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Are you kidding? This will be over soon, an easy cakewalk after Kaddafi lost at Benghazi.
His commanders in the field know it is certain death to face the rebels, it is also certain death to form columns and try to get back to Tripoli. Whole columns of armor lay wasted just from day one of air attacks.
The rebels will be back at the gates of Tripoli, and they probably wont have to fire a bullet. They will be able to take prisoners or defectors with broomsticks.
If Kaddafi arms the residents of Tripoli like he threatened, he will be cutting his own throat quicker because they will use them same weapons to rise up against him when the rebel army gets there.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Are you kidding? This will be over soon, an easy cakewalk after Kaddafi lost at Benghazi.
His commanders in the field know it is certain death to face the rebels, it is also certain death to form columns and try to get back to Tripoli. Whole columns of armor lay wasted just from day one of air attacks.
The rebels will be back at the gates of Tripoli, and they probably wont have to fire a bullet. They will be able to take prisoners or defectors with broomsticks.
If Kaddafi arms the residents of Tripoli like he threatened, he will be cutting his own throat quicker because they will use them same weapons to rise up against him when the rebel army gets there.


Certain death to face the rebels ?

you mean the same ones Gaddafi's troops were smashing into the dirt, giving them a basically undefended run into the rebel stronghold city ?

You watch too much CNN and FOX.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Dachende

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Are you kidding? This will be over soon, an easy cakewalk after Kaddafi lost at Benghazi.
His commanders in the field know it is certain death to face the rebels, it is also certain death to form columns and try to get back to Tripoli. Whole columns of armor lay wasted just from day one of air attacks.
The rebels will be back at the gates of Tripoli, and they probably wont have to fire a bullet. They will be able to take prisoners or defectors with broomsticks.
If Kaddafi arms the residents of Tripoli like he threatened, he will be cutting his own throat quicker because they will use them same weapons to rise up against him when the rebel army gets there.


Certain death to face the rebels ?

you mean the same ones Gaddafi's troops were smashing into the dirt, giving them a basically undefended run into the rebel stronghold city ?

You watch too much CNN and FOX.


No, certain death from the skies. The battlefield has changed, Kaddafi's forces cannot form up to fight or flee in organized columns.
Kaddafi's army don't stand a chance, it's like shooting ducks in a barrel.

The highway of death.
www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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This is a very delicate situation. The UN really needs support from the Arab League on this. We need to see Arab aircraft in the skies over Libya and, if ground troops are to be sent in, I think they should consist of Arabic soldiers, or at the very least a join operation. To do anything else could be problematic in the long run.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:38 AM
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It looks like we have learnt nothing from recent history. No Fly Zones always lead to boots on the ground in the past, especially if they want to remove Gadafi, which I believe is the unstated goal of the operation.

Again we have no exit strategy, like Iraq and Afghanistan, the goals are not totally clear. The possibility of getting bogged down in a longer conflict is something of concern.

We are talking about arming the rebels, without even knowing who they really are and what they want,

You cant bring a legitimate democracy on the back of military intervention from the west.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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the UN already has ground troops fighting gadaffy
they are called ALCIADUH
go figure
we ain't bringin no democracy to no one...
we don't have one ourselves..

anyone who thinks this is about giving anything good to anyone..
ain't worth saveing



Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side

www.telegraph.co.uk...

to bad
this'll go over most everyones heads
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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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It looks like we have learnt nothing from recent history. No Fly Zones always lead to boots on the ground in the past, especially if they want to remove Gadafi, which I believe is the unstated goal of the operation.

Again we have no exit strategy, like Iraq and Afghanistan, the goals are not totally clear. The possibility of getting bogged down in a longer conflict is something of concern.

We are talking about arming the rebels, without even knowing who they really are and what they want,

You cant bring a legitimate democracy on the back of military intervention from the west.


The rebels are already armed and Kaddafi's army is getting disarmed the hard way. There is no need to send in ground forces when there is already one there willing to do it and wanting to do it. That is all anti-west drivle by those who don't want to see the West act millitarily in any manner whatsoever.

Besides nobody bothered to actually read the UN resolution. It clearly states that not one inch of ground will be occupied. It also authorizes strikes to ensure the safety of the people. The rebel army is the people.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:51 AM
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yeah britian
armed ALCIADUH
all else is moot
period



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:54 AM
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They said the same in Yugoslavia and in Iraq and in the end both required armed troops on the ground. There will already be special forces on the ground finding on highlighting the targets for the planes to bomb. So ground forces are already on the ground. I believe more will be needed. I know regime change and soldiers on the ground is not part of the UN mandate, but we will look pretty stupid if we end this and the regime is still in charge.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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In ten days, when the first feet have hit the ground, come back and tell us your theory again.

You sit here, 100% trusting that you are supporting the right side, because fox and cnn tells you so.

Sheeple.... sheeple....sheeple.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by Dachende
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


In ten days, when the first feet have hit the ground, come back and tell us your theory again.

You sit here, 100% trusting that you are supporting the right side, because fox and cnn tells you so.

Sheeple.... sheeple....sheeple.


So you are either on Kaddafi's side or not. I'll side with the West, the winning side. You obviously are on the crazy tyrants side.
I'll watch everywhere as I am now, all there is to see is Kaddafi getting slaughtered in a now hugely one sided affair.
There won't be any occupying troops on the ground, it is stipulated clearly in the UN resolution so keep wishing for it but it won't happen.
When Kaddafi loses control and can no longer offer Russia or Germany or China any oil contracts, Kaddafi will be dropped like yesterdays trash by those scavangers. They will be at the door with a fresh pen and paper ready to do business with whoever the new guys in power are.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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Have you read what you have written, the crazy tyrants side sounds like the west.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
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Have you read what you have written, the crazy tyrants side sounds like the west.


So then you believed him when he said it was al qaeda drugging a few youths coffee? Or maybe you religiously follow his green book full of so many sane and wise disciplines?

LOL what a joke and the worst part is you got people flagging your twisted views



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Mate no one is saying Gadafi is a good person, most think he is crazed nut case, but there are many nutcase leaders around the world with terrible human rights records, yet the west is not interested in these guys or providing no flight zones for their citizens. Take Operation cast Lead where 15,000 innocent palestinians were killed in Israeli attacks. Where was the west defending the rights of innocent citizens then.

The problem is the wests double standards and the animosity it creates in the Arab world. Remember being told American troops would be greeted with flowers when they entered Iraq?

Governments who are brought to the people on the back of the wests military intervention lack legitimacy and will be tainted with as a puppet government, just like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Not only did they ask for help, they begged for it then they cheered when they got it. Big difference.
In the case of Libya, this is a new faction, seeking independance from a dictator, who after weeks of slaughter was about to get seiged in a city of 3/4 million people and Kaddafi's "show no mercy" by his own mouthed words was about to wipe them out. The same people the whole world went to the UN crying about when they were being portrayed as innocent protestors dying in the streets. It's as if they are worth saving in that role but now they are not. Which is it?
It's noble to be an unarmed sheep following the google/youtube preprogrammed schedule but as soon as you gain an identity and wave a flag, forget it now you are pond scum, not worth the effort.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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I believe that alciaduh is involved and a threat to Libya. I believe it is up to the Libyan people to decide who is their leader. I do not believe the rebels have the local support for a revolution, it is the international backing where most of their support is coming from. I do not believe bombing runs are going to sort out this mess and will only add to the chaos.

If you think killing, maiming, people lying in pain with damaged bodies, missing family members and friends, broken infrastructure with no electricity, water and basic supplies and reducing a country to a living hell is the only way to sort out one problem then either you do not know what war means or you do not care.




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