US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed with photos of murdered civilians

greenfox83-
I had a friend who came back from Iraq and she was saying the military gives you pills everyday to take. She said that they never said what they were, but what they did was make war seem like it was surreal. She remembers laughing at a dead body, but in no way was that who she was. It makes people immune to the casulities of war. Might be a reason why they would do such a thing, standing next to a deer you just shot is a prize photo, not a human you just shot, horrible.

That is insane. It sounds like they are spoonfed ecstasy. I've even heard that the US government thinks a good treatment for PTSD is for victims to take ecstasy as treatment. This is a truly insane idea unless you are already the equivalent to an e-tard, in which case you would go haywire when off of the stuff.

This should be investigated immediately!

Gorman91-
Did you not clearly read rouge?

Yes, I read the word "rouge". Then I remembered reading many similar stories, leading me to believe that the term "rouge" is just a smoke screen.

Where have I demonized the entire stock of the US army for this? I have not. I am quite aware that all humans, regardless of job or position, have a psychological dimension to them where they may think it is right to do messed up stuff. The fact is that while most US servicemen/servicewomen would not do this, there is certainly encouragement to engage in such acts as "trophy" collecting and messing with corpses.

The fact is that there seems to be a serious and widespread lack of honor and discipline among US combat forces. This opens up A LOT OF DAMN QUESTIONS if you ask me.

I mean, really. If you spend a hard day in intense combat, would you be itching to hug a mutilated body and smile for the camera and then cut off his finger for a trophy? I am barred from even entering my military because my government claims I have some unknown mental issues (ie socialism), and I wonder why our coalition allows people like this through screening, and the system allows them to get away with 4000 photos of it before some outsiders see the pictures and report them.

Perhaps these are the character types that the US seeks to put in uniform, those truly delusioned enough to even fight this pathetic crusade.

fooks-
suck much?

how do you get that from that picture?

where is the carnage?

i want the carnage or it never happened buttmunch.

Thanks for the insult. What are you, 8 years old or something?

I posted the article. I didn't make the article. Perhaps if you look hard enough, specifically in a post in this thread, you might find the two released photos because I just did.

Rocky Black-
YA I got a big problem with this.

The soldier go over enter combat and kill the enemy. One leans down to take a picture of the sniper who they have been trying to get. And now they plaster it over the news as. Ruthless american soldiers killing innocent civilians.

This specific unit took over 4000 incriminating photos. They also cut off parts of bodies, like fingers, as trophies.

Well I dont know if any of you have seen some of the videos of innocent civilians but I have. Not inniocent at all.

I understand there are some bad apples. This is the case in any war.

Throwing grenades at convoys once they pass by.
Shooting at soldiers while pretending to be civilians.

I have seen literally hundreds of videos of the "war on terror", from all sides.

You know what I see? Citizens fighting for their country against imperialist invaders. How the hell can you see that differently? Huh?

If the US is ever run over by another country, and you see Americans on the streets throwing grenades at the convoys of the invaders, you better damn well condemn them too lest you be a hypocrite.

caf1550-
the # that these people do to not only americans overseas BUT anyone they get there hands on that has to do with western culture is even worse, they burn them hanging on bridges, they cut there #ing heads of on live t.v. with absolutley no remorse what so ever

And you don't think that US aggression and invasion has anything to do with this extreme behavior?

Do you honestly believe that muslims and/or arabs would be doing these things if the US has not been provoking violence in the region for decades?

What about when Bill Clinton launched missiles against Al Qaeda camps in the 90s to get the news off his back when he was caught getting head from Monica Lewinsky? Perhaps Americans forget that they killed well over 100,000 Iraqis during the first Gulf War. Perhaps they forgot that they supplied chemical weapons that Saddam used to kill tens of thousands of Kurds? Maybe they also forgot that they incited a violent civil war in Afghanistan just to fight those damn commies? Do they know anything about how the CIA brought the Shah to power by a coup, and how he lead a brutal dictatorship for decades until the 1979 Iranian Revolution.

No, I guess not, because the prevailing conception is that those muslims hate your freedoms so go there and kill 'em all (while the military industrial complex boosts an extravagant profit in the process).

sk0rpi0n-
To all the people who think these sociopaths have done nothing wrong... I cant wait till they finish in Afghanistan and move back into your neighbourhoods... and you know.... maybe go on to take up a job near your workplace or your kids schools.

What I've been hearing is that the extremely underfunded American educational system is building vast cement schools and hiring ex-Marines to teach highschool classes. No wonder why the US is filled with psychos that go on massacres every week.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
From the source:

US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.

Before you all get your panties in a bunch, this is just hear say. No photos as viable evidence has been submitted. Further, the above quote should be a huge red flag? How does the OP much less the author of the article no for a fact that these individuals were defenseless? This sounds more like to me as propaganda....biased BS.

Check out the AJE article on this for another image. The Public Intelligence website, which published the photos, has been taken down, but there they have a screenie.

reply to post by CMacc63


another person who i can finally agree with

reply to post by Thepreye


Under equipped? Typical hippy with your head up your anu... www.longwarjournal.org... these iraqis were using the same anti tank, sniper, and automatic weapons as us. Tough guy? We don't consider ourselves that but since you think so, I appreciate it.

And you don't think that US aggression and invasion has anything to do with this extreme behavior?

Do you honestly believe that muslims and/or arabs would be doing these things if the US has not been provoking violence in the region for decades?

no i dont think that US agression has anything to do with that because its not only americans there doing it to ITS ANYONE who has any influence to the west at all

edit on 21-3-2011 by caf1550 because: fix it

Yeah, so we have no business being there. THOUSANDS of civilians are dead. Time to leave RIGHT NOW. You people shrugging this of make me sick and are the reason these people are dead

Originally posted by CMacc63
And if those of you who wish to bad mouth "US military foces" have served on active duty, in a combat environment under intensely stressful situations; if you have, then speak your peace. If you have not, than pehaps you should remain on the sidelines and just read posts like these, with little or "NO" comment.

"stressful situations"?
Lets see... state-of-the-art weaponry, technology, armor, Air support, logistics, communication etc etc etc.
I wonder how stressed the under-equipped Afghans must feel knowing they have been fighting a better equipped enemy for 10 years now.

To witness a close friend get blown to pieces or to be there at the airport as the flag drapped coffin is off-loaded from a plane might have an affect on you which you didn't think it would.

Oh... and those guys in turbans and beards are incapable of making friends or developing kinship with their comrades. I mean, they can just see a guy get ripped apart by American/NATO fire and just shrug it off like watching a cockroach get squished right? Also, do you believe that these guys in turbans are immune to war related stress??? Just asking.

Turning you into a vengeful, murderous killing machine; completely going against your countries values without regard to justice and honor. These things I've witnessed first hand.

Hopefully this might explain to a lot of people here where these Afghan fighters get their will to fight from. The whole religious bit is only one part of the thing. Ill put it this way... American soldiers may fight out of a sense of service to their country... but the Afghans seem to fight out of a sense of service to their God.

So don't judge an "entire" country based on the illegal activities of a "rogue" element of its military.

Speaking for myself Im not. Also, lets not judge an entire culture based on the illegal activities of rogue elements within their community.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


no one is shrugging it off EVERYONE know this was bad, GET OVER IT, civilian deaths happen in EVERY war that mankind has scene not only accidental deaths but the execution of thousands of civilians, its the way war it GET OVER IT

This is getting out of hand.

First, everyone needs to calm down. Take a breather. Then come back to the discussion.

If these guys killed civilians, they need to be arrested, tried by a military court, and then sentenced. I'm friends with guys who once worked at Leavenworth. The guards have and interesting sense of justice, and they'll get what's coming to them.

A few of the things I've read here have made me want to comment on this. First, the military doesn't give you a special pill to make the war seem surreal. If you've been there, you know it's pretty surreal even without pills.

For those who say civilian kills don't happen, they do. That's an unfortunate part of war. Sometimes mistakes are made. I feel bad for everyone involved in those situations because no one is ever the same after that. The army compensates the families, but nothing could ever bring their loved ones back. It does happen. It's tragic. But that's war.

Now premeditated kills do happen, but the army squashes that crap quickly. They are rare, but those involved are almost always sent to prison. That happened once while I was in Iraq. A squad in another unit killed a family and it was like the Earth swallowed up those monsters.

As for some saying that people should feel nervous about veterans moving into their communities. I think I'm a great asset to my community. I do volunteer work. I tutor fellow students. My landlady loves me. And I'm soon to graduate college to become a high school English teacher. The only odd thing I do is go to the range and practice marksmanship once a month to make sure I'm still sharp in case I'm called back to active duty. How would I make anyone in my community nervous?

A lot of the civilian deaths used in statistics are over reported. There were many times after a firefight that the locals would run up to the dead combatants, snatch their weapons, and run off. For the civilians out there, how would you feel to have survived a firefight, be tending to your wounded, only to have the press walk through to see no weapons and report them as civilian deaths. Mind you, we don't initiate these things. Our rules of engagement for patrols was to only fire if fired upon. Hence, we couldn't shoot the people who were taking the weapons. Think of that before you swallow those civilian death figures.

So, we have learned that these people will most likely be sentenced to a long and hard time in prison. We've learned a little about what combat actually is and some of the circumstances involved in combat. Also, we've learned a bit about vets.

Knowing this, let's keep this a bit more civilized and not bash an entire country, military, or group based on our own prejudices.

www.nationmaster.com... Here is how many civilians are murdered in the US each year. Where is the outcry for justice? Over 16000 every year.

Im glad you know how stressful war is since you obviously haven't been.

Originally posted by LoverBoy
reply to post by Thepreye

 

Under equipped? Typical hippy with your head up your anu... www.longwarjournal.org... these iraqis were using the same anti tank, sniper, and automatic weapons as us. Tough guy? We don't consider ourselves that but since you think so, I appreciate it.

edit on 21-3-2011 by LoverBoy because: (no reason given)

You stereotyping whinger, I'm no hippy, why were they using US kit?? Do you really think they were as well equipped and supplied as you lot?

Obviously I don't think you're a tough guy, just a loverboy who joined the army at the wrong time, if you don't wana die don't sign on the dotted line.

reply to post by Thepreye


Since you know me so well, show me where I said I didn't want to die? If we were scared to die we couldn't be there. Kind of common sense. Click the link provided, since you talk from no first hand experience or knowledge of what the enemy carried, click the link. It is there for a reason.

reply to post by Mandelbrot2012


Actually, this is not entirely true.

reply to post by LoverBoy


oorah

semper fi

Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by SmokeandShadow

 

no one is shrugging it off EVERYONE know this was bad, GET OVER IT, civilian deaths happen in EVERY war that mankind has scene not only accidental deaths but the execution of thousands of civilians, its the way war it GET OVER IT

And what did you just do...oh yeah, you shrugged it off. Do you know what that is? It occurs when you RATIONALIZE civilian deaths and exercise willful ignorance to the gross injustice of our troops feet being on foreign soil.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


how is that shrugging it off by getting over it, does it effect your life in any way no, IT WAS AN AWFUL THING THAT HAPPENED but get OVER IT did you know them in any way no
im not saying it was right at all but im not being a whiney little pussy because me unlike you dont let things like this effect my life

Originally posted by LoverBoy
www.nationmaster.com... Here is how many civilians are murdered in the US each year. Where is the outcry for justice? Over 16000 every year.

Im glad you know how stressful war is since you obviously haven't been.

I hope you know the fact that you are comparing domestic incidences of murder to the civilian casualties of war show how desperate the straw grabbing has become.

Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by SmokeandShadow

 

how is that shrugging it off by getting over it, does it effect your life in any way no, IT WAS AN AWFUL THING THAT HAPPENED but get OVER IT did you know them in any way no
im not saying it was right at all but im not being a whiney little pussy because me unlike you dont let things like this effect my life

Who says it is affecting me or my life, in fact, it doesn't except when I have to argue with ignorant fools and trolls like you. You can't diffuse the subject, so leave.

reply to post by SmokeandShadow


Domestic citizens are not civilians? Or is it the fact that three times as many civilians are murdered here. Hm I thought murder was murder, and I am grabbing at straws?