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Originally posted by Akragon
Has anyone considered the theory that evil and good are man made concepts?
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by Akragon
Has anyone considered the theory that evil and good are man made concepts?
Yes, I would consider that idea in the beginning of my search for the truth. However, I am no longer at that point along the road.
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ChaosComplex
Okay welcome to sunday school 101
Theres the spiritual plane of heaven, Theres the Heavens(Space) and the earth(3rd dimension) right?
So god removed satan of his heavenly place, cast him down with 1/3 of the angels(that are the number of the stars), And who are now known as demons or evil spirits.
Being a spiritual entity they were in heaven, Still are spiritual entities, But when they fell to the earthly realm, They appeared in flesh because they fell from the heavenly realm, Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven yes?, So mans spirit is the only thing that grants him access into the after life, whether you are saved and go to heaven, Or are not and choose not to follow god, You go to hell
May I offer a suggestion here. This appears to contain an assumption. I do not know a place in the Bible where it says they became flesh after they fell. I tend to believe they are still spirits, like in evil spirits or demons. These entities will never inherit bodies permanently, as in the bodies belong to them. They will, however, possess those who are not in Christ on occasion.
I tend to believe that there is a second chance after death for those who are not familiar with these choices, as Jesus preached to the spirits in prison from the days of Noah as seen in I Peter.
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by Jim Scott
Im sorry but yeah lucifer is satan, He is the brightest morning star? he was the light bearer on gods behalf before he tried to destroy dethrone God? and jesus Is now the only way to the father, he is our high priest.
Satan is refered to as many things, serpant, Devil, Prince of darkness, Prince of persia, Prince of the air, Lucifer ect.......Lol look at the apple logo , on the back of an ipod or on your imac rofl
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by Jim Scott
Im sorry but yeah lucifer is satan, He is the brightest morning star? he was the light bearer on gods behalf before he tried to destroy dethrone God? and jesus Is now the only way to the father, he is our high priest.
Satan is refered to as many things, serpant, Devil, Prince of darkness, Prince of persia, Prince of the air, Lucifer ect.......Lol look at the apple logo , on the back of an ipod or on your imac rofl
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by InnerstellarOne
Right.....i can show you tons of Inspired messages my friend, even recent ones...
The fact is the bible was written by man...Inspired yes...but not written by.
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ChaosComplex
Okay welcome to sunday school 101
Theres the spiritual plane of heaven, Theres the Heavens(Space) and the earth(3rd dimension) right?
So god removed satan of his heavenly place, cast him down with 1/3 of the angels(that are the number of the stars), And who are now known as demons or evil spirits.
Being a spiritual entity they were in heaven, Still are spiritual entities, But when they fell to the earthly realm, They appeared in flesh because they fell from the heavenly realm, Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven yes?, So mans spirit is the only thing that grants him access into the after life, whether you are saved and go to heaven, Or are not and choose not to follow god, You go to hell
May I offer a suggestion here. This appears to contain an assumption. I do not know a place in the Bible where it says they became flesh after they fell. I tend to believe they are still spirits, like in evil spirits or demons. These entities will never inherit bodies permanently, as in the bodies belong to them. They will, however, possess those who are not in Christ on occasion.
I tend to believe that there is a second chance after death for those who are not familiar with these choices, as Jesus preached to the spirits in prison from the days of Noah as seen in I Peter.
Exactly satan and his fallen angels are still spirits!, But when man saw them, They appeared in the physical right? I know spiritual beings can make themself visable, But the angels actually lost thier beauty and honour when they fell, And the breeded with the woman and took unto them wives, So These demons planted thier spiritual seed into the woman to create halfings, Im sorry i should i corrected that assumptions, No the spirits did not become flesh when they fell, But they appeared as flesh, And mated with woman
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Lucifer is a mistranslation of Hebrew by Jerome. Lucifer is a Latin word used to translate a Hebrew word which is a bright King from Babylon. Christ is the true bright and morning star which rises in our hearts. This is mentioned in 2 Peter 1:19 and and Revelation 22:16. If anything, Lucifer is a better word for Christ, but we can't use it since Jerome has it fixed in our mind that it means Satan. This was an incorrect translation. Semantics. Satan is the false Lucifer.
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by Jim Scott
Im sorry but yeah lucifer is satan, He is the brightest morning star? he was the light bearer on gods behalf before he tried to destroy dethrone God? and jesus Is now the only way to the father, he is our high priest.
Satan is refered to as many things, serpant, Devil, Prince of darkness, Prince of persia, Prince of the air, Lucifer ect.......Lol look at the apple logo , on the back of an ipod or on your imac rofl
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Live with God, not against.
how?
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by InnerstellarOne
Right.....i can show you tons of Inspired messages my friend, even recent ones...
The fact is the bible was written by man...Inspired yes...but not written by.
It was written by man because God spoke it and man scribed it? of course god didnt write his own book and gave it to man straight away, Man had to live his life seeking god and to live a holy life after the fall in eden, God told man to write down these things, so man did, That we could have the knowledge and existance of God today.
Its not called the Word Of God for nothing now is it>:?
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ChaosComplex
Okay welcome to sunday school 101
Theres the spiritual plane of heaven, Theres the Heavens(Space) and the earth(3rd dimension) right?
So god removed satan of his heavenly place, cast him down with 1/3 of the angels(that are the number of the stars), And who are now known as demons or evil spirits.
Being a spiritual entity they were in heaven, Still are spiritual entities, But when they fell to the earthly realm, They appeared in flesh because they fell from the heavenly realm, Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven yes?, So mans spirit is the only thing that grants him access into the after life, whether you are saved and go to heaven, Or are not and choose not to follow god, You go to hell
May I offer a suggestion here. This appears to contain an assumption. I do not know a place in the Bible where it says they became flesh after they fell. I tend to believe they are still spirits, like in evil spirits or demons. These entities will never inherit bodies permanently, as in the bodies belong to them. They will, however, possess those who are not in Christ on occasion.
I tend to believe that there is a second chance after death for those who are not familiar with these choices, as Jesus preached to the spirits in prison from the days of Noah as seen in I Peter.
Exactly satan and his fallen angels are still spirits!, But when man saw them, They appeared in the physical right? I know spiritual beings can make themself visable, But the angels actually lost thier beauty and honour when they fell, And the breeded with the woman and took unto them wives, So These demons planted thier spiritual seed into the woman to create halfings, Im sorry i should i corrected that assumptions, No the spirits did not become flesh when they fell, But they appeared as flesh, And mated with woman
I apologize if I am wrong, but to my way of understanding these fallen angels are created by God, making them creatures, as you and I. We, like they, cannot change our state of being from spirit to flesh at will, without death as an interim condition. Such abilities would be confined to God himself, as when Jesus does so. Perhaps you are referring to when Jacob wrestled with the angel all night. It is reasonable to assume this was Jesus, as no other body would have been resurrected to do so, and only God can become a body at will. On the other hand, perhaps God gave the angel a body just for the task, and then took it back later. Who knows. I don't. Not worried about it.
Originally posted by Akragon
Since this topic keeps coming up perhaps some of you might like to read this...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by Akragon
Since this topic keeps coming up perhaps some of you might like to read this...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
You make some good points. You probably should have mentioned the beginning of Job, too, or other scriptures where we are "turned over to the buffetings of Satan." There is a refiners fire for those who rebel against God, apparently, for those whom God loves and wants to correct, like a good father. If you see those who are doing evil and not getting corrected, I suppose there is a place for them later. Who knows what God will do. He might let everyone off. After all, He paid for everyone to go to heaven, and He said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by InnerstellarOne
reply to post by ChaosComplex
Okay welcome to sunday school 101
Theres the spiritual plane of heaven, Theres the Heavens(Space) and the earth(3rd dimension) right?
So god removed satan of his heavenly place, cast him down with 1/3 of the angels(that are the number of the stars), And who are now known as demons or evil spirits.
Being a spiritual entity they were in heaven, Still are spiritual entities, But when they fell to the earthly realm, They appeared in flesh because they fell from the heavenly realm, Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven yes?, So mans spirit is the only thing that grants him access into the after life, whether you are saved and go to heaven, Or are not and choose not to follow god, You go to hell
May I offer a suggestion here. This appears to contain an assumption. I do not know a place in the Bible where it says they became flesh after they fell. I tend to believe they are still spirits, like in evil spirits or demons. These entities will never inherit bodies permanently, as in the bodies belong to them. They will, however, possess those who are not in Christ on occasion.
I tend to believe that there is a second chance after death for those who are not familiar with these choices, as Jesus preached to the spirits in prison from the days of Noah as seen in I Peter.
Exactly satan and his fallen angels are still spirits!, But when man saw them, They appeared in the physical right? I know spiritual beings can make themself visable, But the angels actually lost thier beauty and honour when they fell, And the breeded with the woman and took unto them wives, So These demons planted thier spiritual seed into the woman to create halfings, Im sorry i should i corrected that assumptions, No the spirits did not become flesh when they fell, But they appeared as flesh, And mated with woman
I apologize if I am wrong, but to my way of understanding these fallen angels are created by God, making them creatures, as you and I. We, like they, cannot change our state of being from spirit to flesh at will, without death as an interim condition. Such abilities would be confined to God himself, as when Jesus does so. Perhaps you are referring to when Jacob wrestled with the angel all night. It is reasonable to assume this was Jesus, as no other body would have been resurrected to do so, and only God can become a body at will. On the other hand, perhaps God gave the angel a body just for the task, and then took it back later. Who knows. I don't. Not worried about it.
The parable of the wheat and tares is the only true explanation of this.
How ever God can do all things, Jesus was flesh, And spirit, But he still appears as flesh when he comes to people on earth, people have even reported they have touched his hands where the holes are and felt this injury.
I dont believe satan or demons can take on pure flesh formation, Without planting his seed into a woman, Just as satan bore a child of spirit, So was jesus born of GODS spirit, and his seed, But jesus was born of virgin miraculate birth, Which makes him perfect and sinless, The demons that breeded spirit with flesh however sinned and lusted, creating evil and wicked giants
Jesus was born pure, Gods son, holy and without blemish , So here we can understand that thought a spirit being cannot become flesh unless its seed mingles with flesh.
Just incase you didnt know lol