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CNN Propaganda at its finest: "GPS: China flexes military muscle" Chinese frigate in Libya's

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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CNN Video: GPS China flexes military muscle

Brief summary of the video speaks about China having a missile frigate, Xuzhou, that was relocated to Libya from hunting pirates in the Gulf of Aden. Supposedly, this is the first time in history that a Chinese warship has sailed in the Mediterranean sea. It was there in support of a humanitarian mission to send Chinese nationals working on various projects in Libya back to China safely.

The video then goes on to discuss how China is building up its forces to match the US's and "flexing its muscles" by performing naval exercises around Taiwan and Vietnam. It also mentions a 13% increase in defense spending, mentions an aircraft carrier it's supposed to launch later this year, a stealth fighter, and the "carrier killer" missile (see type D).

In summation, it's saying that China wants to protect its economic interests and investments, and compares China to the US, which was once an isolationist country and is now a superpower.

Now for my thoughts, it seems as if CNN is conditioning the public for a showdown between the US and China. Not sure how such a conflict could start, maybe the Taiwan theater, or a battle over resource in the Arctic? Either way I don't see anything alarming about China wanted to bolster its armed forces. I mean what do they expect China to do; Just sit around twiddling their thumbs?

They formed an alliance with Russia and Iran which some think will be the opposition to "Western" forces in a WW3 scenario, but I do not think it is. I think they know something is corrupt with the oil market namely OPEC and the west. When it crashes, and it will, they will be largely unaffected because of their alliance and sharing of natural gas, and oil.

This article, Russian Oil and Gas Challenges - CRS Report for Congress, goes into great detail about the situation at hand.

I do not believe the hype at all. We're in Libya now to secure more oil reserves, ironically at the same time Obama is trying to woo Brazil and sell F-18's to them for what? You guessed it! Brazil's Oil!!!

In my opinion the attacks in Libya, trips to Brazil, the unrest in the Middle East, are all attempts to scramble and secure what oil reserves are left before the collapse happens.

The Sino-Eurasian-Persian alliance is to counter the fallout of that collapse.

Will that lead to WW3? Well that remains to be seen.




edit on 20-3-2011 by majesticgent because: fixed dead link to the chinese aircraft carrier.

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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This is a important topic that I believe is severally downplayed



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Most definitely. That frigate is also in a good location to do some recon. Get a good look at Western forces, how they operate, and ways to defend against them. That is IF the frigate is still there. I would think they would have vamoosed in order to prevent an "accidental" attack on it, but maybe the chance for reconnaissance was just to good for them to leave.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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All we need now is the Russian Federation involvement. Oh wait, they already have made comments about our moves! All we are doing to Russia is killing their investors. Investors who buy Russian weapons.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Not to mention those Chinese nationals in Libya were helping with projects to build Libya's infrastructure which is now presumably being destroyed. At the end of the day, follow the money trail and you'll see where the truth lies. I'm sure Russia, and China are losing a lot of money because of this "No-Fly Zone" that's why they abstained from the vote. Wonder why they just didn't stop it outright?
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Very interesting

It does say china had 36000 people it wants to get out of Libya so its not cool to claim that they are out of their minds and sailing in uncharted waters (for them). CNN definitely needs to chill before they start causing shizz.

I can understand China wanting to be able to protect themselves considering if they were "put out" or their market crashed it would be very good for the US. If China did want to undermine the US or take them out in a way, they wouldnt even need military. All they would have to do is switch the world currency to the Yuan and send the US into hyperinflation where the US will undo itself. I have read the thread "china attacks the US dollar" (might have been slightly different title) and china definitely is not attacking the dollar in any way by switching the currency to the yuan, i mean who would want that pile of dump money the federal reserve imagined up. I dont blame China for wanting real money instead of monopoly money. Thats beside the point of this thread though.

Id say let China flex their muscles they deserve it after all the years Ive grown up having everyone say look at the cheap junk made in china. I dont want to think of China as an unstable force to be feared but more so a powerful ally that when working with the rest of the world can do amazing things for mankind (despite their current social system preference).

S&F, Im very curious to be seeing what they will be up to in the near future.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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its a inevitible structure of society to train specialized individual for combat purposes.

Just as our counties have police forces... so will the world...



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Yes it seems as if they are being painted as the next USSR. I just think they are no different than we are. Just trying to sustain an economy and live life, but with all the war mongering going on who can blame them for wanting to defend themselves?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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I agree and they should because if you do not then someone will always try to encroach on your sovereignty. Be it economically, or militarily. China is working with a lot of countries that the US does not have good relations with, and sometimes conflicts of interest arises to where the money flow gets interrupted by things as no-fly zones.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Propaganda? Since when is reporting straight forward facts, devoid of any opinion, considered propaganda?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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True there were facts, but this segment was rife with speculation and opinion. The video states that China is trying to become the next superpower? Is that a fact or an opinion? Who says that the buildup has anything to do with testing Japan and the United States? When the US does naval exercises near Korea it is it a test/show of force against China?

China evacuates their citizens and even some other countries citizens, and so did other countries, so what? Does not mean that they are trying to police the world as the next superpower.

Also, the carrier statement about the US "having a monopoly on floating islands (aircraft carriers)" What? I guess they forgot about the Japanese carriers in World War II, and the fact that the Chinese carrier they are mentioning is a rebuilt Ukrainian carrier. Plus the Russians, UK, and the French had/have aircraft carriers.

In my opinion this is propaganda to try to paint China in the same light as the USSR as our military adversary / antagonistic superpower in the last cold war. Propaganda laying the ground work for a new Cold War between China and the USA.


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Why would there be an accidental attack on a Chinese naval vessel? Just because its near an engagement area doesnt mean its going to be targeted. Since the British have Libya under naval blockade, and since the Frnech have the Libyian airforce grounded, it would be difficult to blame an attack on a Chinese vessel on something other than intentional.

The Med is not owned by anyone nation, and China is free to demonstrate freedom of navigation exercises in whatever international waterways it chooses. China did have vessels in the Gulf of Aden to work in conjunction with anti piracy forces in the area. It was one of their farther deploymenets, since the PRC Army/ airforce takes priority over its naval arm.

That has recently been changing, and China is quickly moving their Army-navy from a brown water to a green / blue water force.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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I was being sarcastic about the Chinese frigate being attacked. I'm sure if the frigate is still there that the UN and friends know that it is there and would not dare attack it. With that being said, accidents do happen like the 747 that was shot down accidentally www.washingtonpost.com...

I agree, I'm not making a big deal about China going to the Mediterranean, the video is. According to the video, it is the first time ever that a Chinese ship went to the Mediterranean. CNN is saying that China is flexing its "military muscles" by said act not me. That is why I feel it is propaganda making China the next "boogey man" nation as the USSR was.

If that is the case the US Navy must be tired of flexing because it has ships all over the world's oceans and seas.

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:49 AM
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The use of naval power and that presence throughout the world is called showing the flag, and is an ancient tradition that goes way becak before the US was even a country.

The talk about China flexing its military would be accurate in this case, if for no other reason than it does highlight something the chinese army-navy has never done before. I dont think its meant as anything sinister, other than the media taking note of Chinese growing influence in parts of the world, which is not new, in addition to a Chinese military presence, which is somewhat new in certain areas.

As you pointed out about US naval vessels all over the place, China has stated it wants to be more involved in world affairs, and has taken actions to suppoort that claim. I think we will be seeing more participation, or observation, form chinese military assets.

As far as your link about the 747 - it goes to the Washington post website, but it gives an error and nothing is displayed.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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Originally posted by majesticgent
CNN Video: GPS China flexes military muscle

Brief summary of the video speaks about China having a missile frigate, Xuzhou, that was relocated to Libya from hunting pirates in the Gulf of Aden. Supposedly, this is the first time in history that a Chinese warship has sailed in the Mediterranean sea. It was there in support of a humanitarian mission to send Chinese nationals working on various projects in Libya back to China safely.

The video then goes on to discuss how China is building up its forces to match the US's and "flexing its muscles" by performing naval exercises around Taiwan and Vietnam. It also mentions a 13% increase in defense spending, mentions an aircraft carrier it's supposed to launch later this year, a stealth fighter, and the "carrier killer" missile (see type D).

In summation, it's saying that China wants to protect its economic interests and investments, and compares China to the US, which was once an isolationist country and is now a superpower.

Now for my thoughts, it seems as if CNN is conditioning the public for a showdown between the US and China. Not sure how such a conflict could start, maybe the Taiwan theater, or a battle over resource in the Arctic? Either way I don't see anything alarming about China wanted to bolster its armed forces. I mean what do they expect China to do; Just sit around twiddling their thumbs?

They formed an alliance with Russia and Iran which some think will be the opposition to "Western" forces in a WW3 scenario, but I do not think it is. I think they know something is corrupt with the oil market namely OPEC and the west. When it crashes, and it will, they will be largely unaffected because of their alliance and sharing of natural gas, and oil.

This article, Russian Oil and Gas Challenges - CRS Report for Congress, goes into great detail about the situation at hand.

I do not believe the hype at all. We're in Libya now to secure more oil reserves, ironically at the same time Obama is trying to woo Brazil and sell F-18's to them for what? You guessed it! Brazil's Oil!!!

In my opinion the attacks in Libya, trips to Brazil, the unrest in the Middle East, are all attempts to scramble and secure what oil reserves are left before the collapse happens.

The Sino-Eurasian-Persian alliance is to counter the fallout of that collapse.

Will that lead to WW3? Well that remains to be seen.




edit on 20-3-2011 by majesticgent because: fixed dead link to the chinese aircraft carrier.

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edit on 20-3-2011 by majesticgent because: gramma


Sorry, but if you were brazilian you would know that Obama is SO far from wooing us. And we are NOT buying those F18s. It's just not gonna happen. And the US knows it. Do you know how many times Obama has visited Brazil in his life. One. He never came here when Lula was president, probably because he knew it would be a waste of time and money, as Lula clearly showed a strong opposition to the american government.

So, I am sorry, but that assumption is far from reality.

Also, Brazil is a democracy; Not only that, the biggest democracy amongst emerging countries. Go read what Obama has heard from our new president on his visit. Brazil won't settle for anything less than equal a balanced trade. You want to drill our oil? Then lets discuss reducing taxes from our ethanol exportation. That's how it goes.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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China will soon make a move on the chess war board to secure Egypt as a foothold to gaining the resources of the middle east. Once they go on the march it will fall to them like Tibet. They, not the Arabs, will be the threat to the New Rome's dominating the entire earth. The New Roman Empire will amass its allies to form a force to counter China's sweeping move to gain its needed resources.

The old Rome conquered Egypt in olden times. Again, they will focus on Egypt, claiming they want to liberate the people from China's grip of oppression. As Israel becomes involved in the conflict, it will fall by the hand of one of the two world super powers.

A time-line of the Roman empire
www.scaruffi.com...

Brief Chronology of Rome
www.musesrealm.net...

OBELISKS OF ROME
www.romeartlover.it...

Satan will soon become emperor of the earth.

"emperor >noun the ruler of an empire.
-ORIGIN Latin imperator 'military commander', from imperare 'to command'."

A new empire that reflects his and its rebel position to Yahweh's Sovereignty. No more will he hide it under the wraps of false Christendom.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Here is the link that was broken in my other post:
www.washingtonpost.com...

I would agree with you and the point you are making about showing the flag, but the mention of the J-20 stealth fighter and the "carrier killer" SSM (surface to ship missile) makes me think that this video has a different slant than just being informative.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by majesticgent
I do not believe the hype at all. We're in Libya now to secure more oil reserves, ironically at the same time Obama is trying to woo Brazil and sell F-18's to them for what?

In my opinion the attacks in Libya, trips to Brazil, the unrest in the Middle East, are all attempts to scramble and secure what oil reserves are left before the collapse happens.



Originally posted by henriquefd
Sorry, but if you were brazilian you would know that Obama is SO far from wooing us. And we are NOT buying those F18s.


I agree with you.

I wasn't saying that Brazil was going to do anything, but Obama is trying to woo them and trying to sell F-18s, meaning he's trying to butter up to them for an agenda. Then in the second paragraph, I mentioned these are attempts to oil reserves not that it would be successful which I believe is the agenda he's trying to push.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Very interesting outlook. I've heard many people refer to the Gog / Magog invasion of Israel as the invasion from Russia and China. All I can really say is wait and see.



posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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It's good to try to make sense out the elites shenanigens, however I believe you are in error with regards to the tactics. The middle east unrest was called out in advance by Lindsey Williams. It's purpose is not to secure oil but to create oil scarcity and create a serious of economic shocks that will bring the US to it's knees.

They don't need Libyan oil. There is a lot more untapped oil reserves right here in North America. That oil may be pledged to China and Russia at this point.

Oil will reach $200 a barrel, the US will default on it's loans and will become a police state, with possible foreign (aka Chinese ) intervention. It's all orchestrated. It's kind of sickening watching your so called elected leaders dance like puppets on a set of strings designed to destroy Western civilization.




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