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Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by Vizzle
Russia, China, India, Germany, and Brazil do not support this.
That goes to prove the ridiculousness, of the UN. Oh, the games people play.
If they, truly, didn't support the action, they should have actually taken a stand and voted against it. All this did was give them the opportunity to, once again, point fingers at the US, and turn even more worldwide public opinion against the US.
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
So I call out Obama's illegal actions and immediately I must be a supporter of George W. Bush and his actions? Talk about only seeing black and white, get a clue.
The UN has no authority over this country, no authority appropriated to it in the United States Constitution, and the Congress has the say in all military actions NOT the President, not NATO, and not the UN. Criminals think they can walk into government and trick the masses into believing they wield the power and final say, well they damn sure do not, and the sooner people awake to this fact the sooner we can get our house back in order.
You want to be a supporter of the international cabal of criminals who hide inside the halls of international organizations? Good go to your beloved criminals, wrap your arms around them, but unlike you internationalists who support war and illegal actions I shall remain loyal to the real laws and the real authorities not some supranational organization run by criminal bankers and businessmen for their own benefit at the expense of myself and my country.
Originally posted by whaaa
Originally posted by WTFover
Originally posted by Vizzle
Russia, China, India, Germany, and Brazil do not support this.
That goes to prove the ridiculousness, of the UN. Oh, the games people play.
If they, truly, didn't support the action, they should have actually taken a stand and voted against it. All this did was give them the opportunity to, once again, point fingers at the US, and turn even more worldwide public opinion against the US.
I don't think other countries pointing fingers make a tinkers damn in world wide opinion concerning the US.
We pretty much solidified the worlds opinion of us when we invaded countries that posed no threat to steal their resources.
edit on 20-3-2011 by whaaa because: truth hurts
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This time around Libya is a threat to Europe as they are a considerably more capable foe then Taliban era Afghanistan and Hussien era Iraq combined.
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This time around Libya is a threat to Europe as they are a considerably more capable foe then Taliban era Afghanistan and Hussien era Iraq combined.
So Libya has made recent threats against Europe, or is this just hypothesis?
Originally posted by links234
This isn't a war though.
I see no American Air Force jets or bombers flying over the country.
The U.S. claimed initial success two days into an assault on Libya that included some of the heaviest firepower in the American arsenal — long-range bombers designed for the Cold War —
A second wave of attacks, mainly from American fighters and bombers, targeted Libyan ground forces and air defenses, following an opening barrage Saturday of sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Originally posted by Liquesence
Originally posted by links234
This isn't a war though.
I see no American Air Force jets or bombers flying over the country.
I do not see them either, not living in Libya; however, firing missiles into and running bombing campaigns over a sovereign nation that has not attacked one pretty much IS an act of war.
The U.S. claimed initial success two days into an assault on Libya that included some of the heaviest firepower in the American arsenal — long-range bombers designed for the Cold War —
A second wave of attacks, mainly from American fighters and bombers, targeted Libyan ground forces and air defenses, following an opening barrage Saturday of sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Source
We are bombing a sovereign nation that is no treat to us. This is wrong. End of story.
ETA: As a liberal, i oppose this decision and these actions just as i opposed the others, regardless of who is president, and i vocalize said beliefs just as loudly.edit on 20-3-2011 by Liquesence because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This time around Libya is a threat to Europe as they are a considerably more capable foe then Taliban era Afghanistan and Hussien era Iraq combined.
So Libya has made recent threats against Europe, or is this just hypothesis?
Ghadaffi has gone on tv confirming his nation as the direct financier, supporter and backer of the bombing of Pan Am Flt. 103 over Scotland which makes Libya a "State That Sponsors Terrorism" which justifies the invasion.
Originally posted by Hefficide
Speaking as a liberal American...
I was for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan when they occurred. I was caught up, like most of us, in 9/11 fever and was drinking the Kool Aid. I later learned that I'd been misled and felt very betrayed. In fact... This is the reason why I know identify as "liberal" and not "Republican", my previous self imposed label.
If Ghaddafi is killing his own people, as the news suggests he is, then I support this action. But I am reticent to accept anything the media tells me at face value. So I am on the fence right now. If Obama is doing this for the right reasons, then good. If not, well then I'll call him a war criminal just as eagerly as I call George W. Bush one.
~Heff
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi have all shot and killed protestors......Where's the "No fly Zone"?
More than 100 anti-war protesters, including the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers, were arrested outside the White House in demonstrations marking the eighth anniversary of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.
That is a good point, and is in fact one of the main purposes of the United Nations.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I believe that having an organization that has the power to impose sanctions and even take military action to stop people in the world from doing what Gadhafi is doing is a good thing.
All human organizations can be abused. Despite all its flaws, it’s still the best we have to deal with these situations.
It can be abused, for sure and may be being abused as we speak. But we are on on this planet together and we should take care of each other.
Originally posted by sparky11
reply to post by Wolf321
There is nothing in Liberal-Progressive philosophy that is inherently anti-war. The gist of their philosophy centers around the power of a centralized govt to solve problems - that includes the use of violence to promote their worldview. Liberals only play the "peace" card when it is politically opportunistic. Hence, Liberals are now cheerleaders for Obama's illegal war in Libya.
Our nation's founders believed in "classical liberalism" - the freedom and power of the individual rather than the authority of church and state. With the advent of the phony left/right paradigm Liberals now have more in common with fascists than do so-called "conservatives".
True conservatives believe as the founders did. Each nation has the right to self determination without outside intervention. They knew that 'humanitarianism' often comes with strings attached. And, as in the present case, liberals are once again being used as dupes for transnational corporations and the globalist agenda.
Originally posted by Secularist
I really cant believe how stupid some people are and how they get so many stars writing stupid things. Really, no matter what it is, to some of you people theres some backwards meaning behind it always, all the time. If you payed any attention to the news in the past three months you wouldnt be so dense to whats going on.
Lets get real with the situation and stop with the stupid smear campaigns against the U.S.
This is nothing like Iraq. Pay attention.
Originally posted by Wolf321
Originally posted by restlessbrainsyndrome
This is not for the financial gain of the oil companies. This has the backing of U.N.
While Libya sells most of its crude and fuel across the Mediterranean to Europe, exports have fallen to a trickle and may be halted for “many months,” because of damage to oil facilities and international sanctions on Libya prompted by Qaddafi’s military assault on opponents, the International Energy Agency said March 15.
...
Qaddafi declared on state-run television March 15 he had “lost trust” in Western nations and companies and would grant future oil contracts only to China, India and Russia. Germany, whose leaders have publicly opposed a military intervention in Libya, has acted differently from other western states, Qaddafi said, and German companies might still be allowed to invest or get contracts.
Source
Yeah. No financial gain for the oil companies here. Move along folks.
And Saddam violated the UN terms that ended the gulf war so we had every right to go in any time we wanted.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Originally posted by Secularist
I really cant believe how stupid some people are and how they get so many stars writing stupid things. Really, no matter what it is, to some of you people theres some backwards meaning behind it always, all the time. If you payed any attention to the news in the past three months you wouldnt be so dense to whats going on.
Lets get real with the situation and stop with the stupid smear campaigns against the U.S.
This is nothing like Iraq. Pay attention.
They won't because all they see is A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH MEANS ITS DRIVEN BY RACISM.
The right will use any oppourtunity to attack the nation it is sickening and not to mention shades of Anti Americanism.
Star for you for being for being firmly grounded in reality, logic and common sense!!edit on 20-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Originally posted by sparky11
reply to post by Wolf321
The entire right has been salivating and foaming at the mouth for the last decade in hopes of going to war with Iran and Syria yet both events will not occur.
The right also wanted and pushed through an illegal war in Iraq but have the audacity to complain now as the right remained quiet then and should remain quiet now. Can you say double standard?