Common sense observation about the state of disaster of Fukushima nuclear power plant.

The obvious state of destruction of the "containment" facility's evidenced by a multitude of pictures and videos is what can only be labeled as catastrophic. Considering that these facility's are constructed out of concrete and steel and visibly mangled and range from partially to wholly destroyed and have been described by Japans own nuclear experts as being a "last line" of defense against total nuclear fallout is only one tell tale sign.

The act of spraying ocean water through high power firetrucks and dumping corrosive sea water by helicopter can only be interpreted as last desperate acts from people who have no idea what there is left they can do. I mean honestly...... Dumping water onto exposed fuel rods by helicopter? Think about that for a second.

Connecting what can only be described as very long, giant extension cord into a complex that has that amount of damage to highly technical cooling systems and electronics is really going to restore a complex process of cooling to these massively damage structures?

Please stop relying on the main stream media and start relying on your common sense. I am not a nuclear scientist, I am a bartender who is somewhat intelligent and you would be shocked what your common sense can tell you that the main stream media can't if you are at least informed on some level that involves common sense.

I wouldn't bet my life on it but I would bet Libya is a false flag event to divert media attention to give the worlds more elite governments time enough to form plans of action to avoid the public panic, outrage and civil unrest the horror of something like this will incite.

After all, when has the UN EVER cleared military action the likes we are seeing now on the scope and scale we are now seeing in such short time. Ask yourself why is this all happening at once and maybe you can see the big picture.

I don't intend to debate this as this is my point of view and I could very well be wrong but my common sense is telling me I am not. Now, Ill go back to making cocktails to relieve stress for those that need it.

Looks like we got a winner! Thanks for actually being honest and saying how you see it.

I think everyone sees this too, but we have a problem.

Almost everyone is in denial, and they are scared out of their minds. So they refuse to admit how bad this has become. They want to watch their little war and focus on that for awhile. Or something, ANYTHING just not Fukushima please!!!

They are in denial of reality. Large areas of Honshu Island in Japan will have to be evacuated and will be rendered uninhabitable. Potentially even Tokyo....

Who knows the effects of the fallout cloud that is going through North America and on to Europe? No body. But we all know its' gonna suck real bad.

And this is just due to a few things going wrong. Just think if things really started to go wrong? We have 100s of reactors all over the world. Humanity is on the brink of total annihilation and we didn't even realize that all it takes is a few 9 EQ's and a tsunami or two and bam, theres the human race down the tubes.

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Good post. I've been thinking all week that they are just saying they are trying to keep the radiation in, while knowing that everything they do will be for nothing. Like when all the radiation has been expelled [ whenever that will be ] - - or they may even do it themselves , they will finally just say, "Okay! We've stopped the leak!"

Oh, and speaking of DIVERSIONS.. another oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.. convenient? The entire planet is one gargantuan conspiracy.

I'm just totally confused. Almost confused enough to think my time line has shifted. lol
I thought the UN had voted on that stuff already, like days and days ago. I thought it was just a no fly zone thing but it appears it was some UN war thing. I didn't think they UN could declare war.
I thought Japan had an earthquake and tsunami and that there was a nuclear meltdown in process.
I thought that first wave or radiation to hit the US was just the first steam let off, I thought that...

It seems that nothing much happened in Japan though- we thought it did but oh, now here's Libya, look at this. Don't worry, we got some power cord and we can turn it all back on and it will all be ok.

I feel like a dog that was getting too hyped up so his master wagged a beggin strip and threw it in the other direction.

Darn! Wonder how that iodine got in the spinach? Ok, iodine, that's normal, thought for a second we had RADIOACTIVE IODINE. Yeah.

Woof.

The implications of this are ground shattering, they really are. If Tokyo has to be evacuated, that will destroy the global economy. Can you imagine a future of no Japan the way we think of it today? I can't , its frightening and disturbing, but part of me says to just let go and accept it, because it's inevitable.

Radioactive waste doesn't disappear in a few days, each element has it's own half-life. Iodine 131 decays in like 2 or 3 weeks sure. But Cesium 137 takes a century to decay. This is pretty messed up for sure.

I wish I was just full of it, I wish I didn't understand this situation and what it possibly means for the human race, but geez man this combined disaster is just the most epic thing I've ever witnessed and it's off the hook.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Looks like we got a winner! Thanks for actually being honest and saying how you see it.

I think everyone sees this too, but we have a problem.

Almost everyone is in denial, and they are scared out of their minds. So they refuse to admit how bad this has become. They want to watch their little war and focus on that for awhile. Or something, ANYTHING just not Fukushima please!!!

They are in denial of reality. Large areas of Honshu Island in Japan will have to be evacuated and will be rendered uninhabitable. Potentially even Tokyo....

Who knows the effects of the fallout cloud that is going through North America and on to Europe? No body. But we all know its' gonna suck real bad.

And this is just due to a few things going wrong. Just think if things really started to go wrong? We have 100s of reactors all over the world. Humanity is on the brink of total annihilation and we didn't even realize that all it takes is a few 9 EQ's and a tsunami or two and bam, theres the human race down the tubes.

No one ever considered that nuclear devastation could actually happen without WW3 and all out war involving warheads.... Very sadly, we were all wrong, it would seem that despite our technological control we lack the ability to control the one force that defines our very existence...... Mother earth and she has the ability to send us right back to the stone age in record time.

Originally posted by HiMyNameIsMike
reply to post by Helious

 

Good post. I've been thinking all week that they are just saying they are trying to keep the radiation in, while knowing that everything they do will be for nothing. Like when all the radiation has been expelled [ whenever that will be ] - - or they may even do it themselves , they will finally just say, "Okay! We've stopped the leak!"

Oh, and speaking of DIVERSIONS.. another oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.. convenient? The entire planet is one gargantuan conspiracy.

edit on 20-3-2011 by HiMyNameIsMike because: (no reason given)

Excellent mention about the oil spill. My girlfriend just alerted me to this about 5 minutes ago. So much news coming so fast is NEVER a good thing. It just stinks to high heaven of manipulation.

Originally posted by hadriana
I'm just totally confused.

I feel like a dog that was getting too hyped up so his master wagged a beggin strip and threw it in the other direction.

Woof.

You are not confused my friend. You are seeing the manipulation 100% right in your face.

You know what this means right? It means that Fukushima is SO BAD, they had to bomb Libya just to get us off it for a day or two. Just to buy a few days....

The MSM keeps comparing it to Three Mile or saying that it's less than Chernobyl. They are full of it, go do the math yourself, go look up the information available about ALL of these reactors. You will see quickly that Fukushima's 1,2,3,4 are the worst potential disaster in the history of human kind, if they can't put a lid on it.

And we aren't even considering 5 and 6 yet either.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
The implications of this are ground shattering, they really are. If Tokyo has to be evacuated, that will destroy the global economy. Can you imagine a future of no Japan the way we think of it today? I can't , its frightening and disturbing, but part of me says to just let go and accept it, because it's inevitable.

Radioactive waste doesn't disappear in a few days, each element has it's own half-life. Iodine 131 decays in like 2 or 3 weeks sure. But Cesium 137 takes a century to decay. This is pretty messed up for sure.

I wish I was just full of it, I wish I didn't understand this situation and what it possibly means for the human race, but geez man this combined disaster is just the most epic thing I've ever witnessed and it's off the hook.

In my mind, after reading every thing I could about Chernobyl and Three Mile Island and looking at Fukushima and relying on my own common sense, I just don't see how this tiny island of Japan will be able to sustain this disaster. The square footage of land vs contamination does not bode well and if this as I suspect not only rival but exceed the 7 on the international scale for nuclear disasters, Japan is just not large enough to house any life for quite some time to come.

I see a lot of distractions from the important things like the salt water.
that's a last ditch effort right there


remember ground zero
no worries there
its safe to breath.

when I see "as if you don't trust the govrnment"
thats all the reason I need to not trust the government.
I have a supervising nuclear pwer engineer in the familly who is retired.
he basically has put it the way it is stated in the OP

Originally posted by Helious
The square footage of land vs contamination does not bode well and if this as I suspect not only rival but exceed the 7 on the international scale for nuclear disasters, Japan is just not large enough to house any life for quite some time to come.

We could be looking at multiple 7's. Or a 10, whatever you wanna call it.
I call it a nightmare come true.

Not to mention the fact that Fukushima Dai-ni had accidents.
Onagawa plant had an accident.
Tokai plant had an accident.
And Rokkasho fuel processing plant had an accident.

Most of those other accidents were only rated 2's and 3's on the international scale. But that's still outright insanity. 11 plants shut down, plus other crap. Can you imagine if the quake was a 9.6 and if the Tsunami was 10 feet taller? I can't....

Here is a link for actual information about those other accidents.
2011 Japan Nuc Accidents Wiki

Another thing I feel that is worth mentioning is all this talk of evacuation.

Like you [ Helios ] said, they are quite a small island for the amount of radiation facing expulsion. People are wondering to themselves, "Well, why aren't they trying to evacuate them?" - - for one, of course [ and probably most importantly, as it always is in politics ] financial reasons. They don't have the money to evacuate people, and neither do other countries.

Next, where would the people go? - - There are [ before the quake, and tsunami ] approximately 130 million people in Japan. If there is a plan that can evacuate on that large a scale, please present it.

Finally, if they COULD evacuate the people, by the time they secured the funds, got everything in motion, there would most likely be wide-spread radiation, including people carrying radiation. So, they would probably bring the radiation with them, and affect the areas they are brought to.

I'm not against evacuating Japan, I just don't see how it's even remotely possible.

My heart aches for them, it truly is a tragedy

-Mike

Originally posted by Danbones
I see a lot of distractions from the important things like the salt water.
that's a last ditch effort right there


remember ground zero
no worries there
its safe to breath.

when I see "as if you don't trust the govrnment"
thats all the reason I need to not trust the government.

From what I have been told, and remember that I myself have no knowledge of these things! I am relying on official statements made by top officials on public news stations. Salt water is not only highly corrosive to the elements of nuclear fuel rods but also on ANY electronics and subsystems that would be in place to control these once power is restored!!! Think about that, blasting highly powerful jets of saltwater for days on highly devastated and damaged buildings and electronics and thinking turning the power on will solve all the problems? I think not.

Not only that but there is a serious issue of the fuel rods maintaining a straight up and down position to avoid the fission process and to the best of my knowledge the best way to do that would NOT to be blasting them non stop with high powered jets of water.......... Am I crazy?

The evacuees are setting off the alarms in host countries.
with out the yen carry trade, that is a game changer right there..

the Nuclar power industry is the biggest scam in the world
every hospital is also a nuclear medicine "reactor" these days
every university lab
bio weapons..mutations...GMO and radiation.. Non GMO and radiation
they irradiate our food...
porno scanners
altitude...


how much of the ocecans bio mass is left now
I read about a quarter of what it was this will set it back even more....

who nows what else

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Helious
The square footage of land vs contamination does not bode well and if this as I suspect not only rival but exceed the 7 on the international scale for nuclear disasters, Japan is just not large enough to house any life for quite some time to come.

We could be looking at multiple 7's. Or a 10, whatever you wanna call it.
I call it a nightmare come true.

Not to mention the fact that Fukushima Dai-ni had accidents.
Onagawa plant had an accident.
Tokai plant had an accident.
And Rokkasho fuel processing plant had an accident.

Most of those other accidents were only rated 2's and 3's on the international scale. But that's still outright insanity. 11 plants shut down, plus other crap. Can you imagine if the quake was a 9.6 and if the Tsunami was 10 feet taller? I can't....

Here is a link for actual information about those other accidents.
2011 Japan Nuc Accidents Wiki

The fact is, we as humans can not predict what Mother Earth can do or is even capable of, we just have not been around long enough nor have enough understanding to predict. Until the time that we do have complete knowledge, this type of power is unsafe and a determent to the human race. I wish I had a solution to an alternative power but like I have said, I'm just a normal man and I do not. My common sense tells me, if men were not as greedy as they were we would already have one, but as we are power hungry things, money seems to mean more than human life or even our very existence, why should we be entitled to life here?

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The salt water at temp corrodes the casings of the fuel rods and then they relase the radiactive fuel pellets
the pellets fall into the smashed up floor and tumble down
if enough pellets collect in one place the temp is high enough to melt whatever it is sitting on and it won't stop till it reaches water
which will steam pressure blast the contamination start up a mile or so
also there is contamination of the ground water
they are on shore so out to sea it goes...

they won't tell us

BP and the oil spill would be an accurate template of how the corporate government will handle this.

also
The PTB have oracles
both old and new fangled
at the top I doubt they are as suprised as we are
when things happen.

even the bugs will be contaminated.

Originally posted by HiMyNameIsMike
Another thing I feel that is worth mentioning is all this talk of evacuation.

Like you [ Helios ] said, they are quite a small island for the amount of radiation facing expulsion. People are wondering to themselves, "Well, why aren't they trying to evacuate them?" - - for one, of course [ and probably most importantly, as it always is in politics ] financial reasons. They don't have the money to evacuate people, and neither do other countries.

Next, where would the people go? - - There are [ before the quake, and tsunami ] approximately 130 million people in Japan. If there is a plan that can evacuate on that large a scale, please present it.

Finally, if they COULD evacuate the people, by the time they secured the funds, got everything in motion, there would most likely be wide-spread radiation, including people carrying radiation. So, they would probably bring the radiation with them, and affect the areas they are brought to.

I'm not against evacuating Japan, I just don't see how it's even remotely possible.

My heart aches for them, it truly is a tragedy

-Mike

They would have to rely on "world charity" and the world would respond. Japan has contributed to world progression for too long for the international community to turn it's back but make no mistake, every major world government knows to never let a tragedy go to waste and whoever contributed most to "helping" survivors / evacuees would be sure to benefit through many many avenues. Sky is the limit on something like this, a merging of nations of this scale would upset global balance and economy, anyone could only guess at this, an unlikely scenario until now.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by Helious

 

The salt water at temp corrodes the casings of the fuel rods and then they relase the radiactive fuel pellets
the pellets fall into the smashed up floor and tumble down
if enough pellets collect in one place the temp is high enough to melt whatever it is sitting on and it won't stop till it reaches water
which will steam pressure blast the contamination start up a mile or so
also there is contamination of the ground water
they are on shore so out to sea it goes...

they won't tell us

BP and the oil spill would be an accurate template of how the corporate government will handle this.

also
The PTB have oracles
both old and new fangled
at the top I doubt they are as suprised as we are
when things happen.

even the bugs will be contaminated.

edit on 20-3-2011 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

I think that the BP oil spill is a great example of a tragedy on an epic scale that is brute force sealed from public knowledge. The enacted laws to make any coverage of the area a felony and BOOM, all coverage of the spill dissolved overnight.

Only thing though, there is absolutely no way to cover this up in the long run, I don't think that is there agenda here, they need to buy time to devise control plans to mitigate damage region by region. Nothing like this in my opinion has been seen before and has caught even the most elite off guard.

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No you are not crazy sir. You are one of the only sane people left, I am afraid.

However, I am pleased to make company with you because I am seeking the solace and sanctuary of speaking with truthful and honest individuals who actually are willing to speak up about the dire problems facing humanity today.

I admit I am borderline obsessed with this thing. How can I not be? The whole world is changing so rapidly now it's unbelievable...Everyone knows that it's all different now and the future is scaring the crap out of them so bad that they refuse to even acknowledge reality.

I tried to bring the issue up with people in real life, they said 1) Not a big deal, 2) Not dangerous and to top it off if I dared disagree, it hit some sort of very weak nerve and they FLIPPED OUT HARD CORE. More than one person did this it's a pattern. They are like programmed with anger and rage. The world they once knew and loved (yeah right no one loved it) is gone now. Maybe they are just mad because they were used to the comforts of it? I don't know. But it makes them MAD as hell for you to point out the truth here.

It just pisses me off it does. Not only are people programmed through ignorance, but the media won't stop lying about everything, and the gov't doesn't give a dam if my children get cancer or not.

The only reason I am taking this at the highest level of emergency is because it is the highest level of emergency, ongoing! We have a fallout issue now, and it's 100% covered up.

The actual Radioactive Fallout is IN THE USA / CANADA RIGHT NOW!!! And the MEDIA isn't saying ANYTHING, not even MENTIONING it!!! They pretend it doesn't exist. It's bad man. They are either too embarrassed to admit it, or they are actually wanting our children to get cancer.

This "they don't want panic" is total utter garbage. I'm not panicking. I have sat down on this couch all day long just fine. I am just a little pissed off that's all. So please forgive me and don't feel that I am angry with any of you, I am not. My anger and utter disappointment is directed at the Media and the Govt. They are total complete failures, they failed me and they failed everyone.

They should have had disaster preparation. But they don't teach that skill. Why? Maybe for a reason....

Let's face it, if human civilization is wiped out, it will be almost entirely our own fault. The Japanese knew the potential hazards of building plants with MOX fuel rods on a subduction zone prone to earthquakes, and as a country that is supposedly "Well-prepared" for tsunamis and earthquake, you would think someone would have pointed out these dangers to them.

We had control over most of this crisis. But, instead of evacuating those living near the plants and calmly advising us about the potential threats those plants could have, they chose to tell everyone to continue their blissfully ignorant existences and just trust them. I'm not saying to not trust your government, but things could have certainly been handled a lot better. Or is the value of human life lesser than that of the Almighty Dollar?

Japanese diplomats and military personnel have been evacuated, but ordinary citizens have to wait? In an idealist world where Democracy is by the people and for the people, and the military/government defend and protect us, you would think ordinary citizens would have top priority. I'm fifteen and still living with my dad, if something happens over here one day, will I get top priority or will I just be an afterthought like these poor people are?

Too make a long, nonsensical rambling short: we could have prevented this crisis, we could have warned people of potential threats, and we certainly could have taken proper responsibility.

Just remember,
This world isn't built on conspiracies, it's built on ignorance and stupidity.