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Originally posted by kalenga
reply to post by LeoVirgo
Hi Leovirgo, it's odd that the compass changes so much in my area? I wanted others to follow this anecdotal study in January but no one clicked onto it here.
All I have found out is that my house is built on a fault line, so might it be that which is causing these fluctuations?
If so, then why is it fluctuating, is it a normal occurence in faultline areas for compasses to move so much?
Anyone have any idea of causes? I live in a semi country area, not near a city or powerline, phone mast etc.....
I have tried to rule out causes myself but maybe it is just as the compass says, the fluctuations are real?
Notice the black line with 0° on it running down the Mississippi river? Along this particular line, both the geographic and magnetic north poles are in alignment so there is no declination. If you move East of this line, the magnetic north pole will pull your compass needle further and further to the West of geographic north - the angle of compass declination is West Declination. Moving west of the Mississippi river will pull your compass needle further and further to the East.
I am away from my research sources, but the Earth has not just a single magnetic pole, but has several smaller dipoles that could be growing. In fact the one near South Africa has already flipped, so some of these minor poles could be growing in strengh.
ALMOST INCONCEIVABLE CHANGES IN THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD. The Earth's geomagnetic field has be found to change as rapidly as 6 degrees per day corresponding to Figure10. Rapid Rotation of the Earth's Inner Core of the ANALYSIS
A gyrocompass is similar to a gyroscope. It is a compass that can find true north by using an electrically powered, fast-spinning gyroscope wheel and frictional or other forces in order to exploit basic physical laws and the rotation of the Earth. Gyrocompasses are widely used on ships. Marine gyrocompasses have two main advantages over magnetic compasses:
At night the stars appear to drift overhead from east to west, completing a full circuit around the sky in 24 (sidereal) hours. (Of course, exactly the same motion occurs during the day, except that the stars are not visible
The celestial poles are also the poles of the celestial equatorial coordinate system, meaning they have declinations of +90 degrees and −90 degrees (for the north and south celestial poles, respectively).
Originally posted by coolottie
Everyone, Go To the First Page of this Thread, "True North" is "Never " mentioned once, not at all mentioned. When we said North we meant Magnetic North ...because that is what we were talking about.
I dare you to read the first page. GO Read it.
Originally posted by sepermeru
reply to post by DisappearCompletely
You'd better alert the media that they should print retractions of all those news items two months ago, long before this thread, about how some compasses would soon start to act like this because of the shifting...you know what, forget it, I give up. I've learned something valuable from this thread, and it's not about compasses.edit on 31-3-2011 by sepermeru because: (no reason given)
Perhaps there are some localized magnetic disturbances in your areas
Originally posted by coolottie
reply to post by Doc Holiday
I know it changes pole star every 26,000 years,[called the procession] the last pole star was Thurban, in the Constellation of Draco, the dragon. That is not what I was talking about.
At night the stars appear to drift overhead from east to west, completing a full circuit around the sky in 24 (sidereal) hours. (Of course, exactly the same motion occurs during the day, except that the stars are not visible
The celestial poles are also the poles of the celestial equatorial coordinate system, meaning they have declinations of +90 degrees and −90 degrees (for the north and south celestial poles, respectively).
Link to quote: en.wikipedia.org...
Here is the map I was trying to show that the pole star is really not right over the pole, but it does a complete rotation around the pole every 24 hrs. I think the Pole star is about 40 something miles from being right over the North pole, and as the earth turns every day [24 hrs.] the pole star goes around it. It is not stationary directly over the exact North Pole.
I don't mind a good debate, but this was just misunderstanding of what I was saying.
Originally posted by THEDUDE86
....i am still not sure why this is so hard to understand that there is nothing going on here that science didnt predict
Originally posted by sepermeru
reply to post by MadDogtheHunter
The problem is that many people clearly haven't done more than quickly skim the thread and its title, and are posting with an obvious lack of awareness that this wasn't discovered on ATS and doesn't need to be confirmed by its members. Whether the explanation is truly the one provided in the media is certainly a valid discussion to have, but it's not the one a lot of the people in this thread have been having.
Originally posted by coolottie
reply to post by nenothtu
The thing is that True North is not unchanging, the North Star is not on True North but moves around it in a 24 hour cycle. This is because the Earth Wobbles. When Man first stepped foot on the Moon, they set up refectors to monitor the wobble of the earth. The wobble causes the North Star to make a circle around the North Pole. And I guess we better take into account that the earth is slowing down in rotation about a half a nano second each day, therefore everyday is longer than the day before. Here on this link is a map, that was shown early in this thread showing the alignment in my area. The Mississippi River is 0, I am 2 lines west of it.
Now , also notice the little circle at the True North Pole and the True South Pole, that little circle shows how much the True poles rotate every 24 hours.
Notice the black line with 0° on it running down the Mississippi river? Along this particular line, both the geographic and magnetic north poles are in alignment so there is no declination. If you move East of this line, the magnetic north pole will pull your compass needle further and further to the West of geographic north - the angle of compass declination is West Declination. Moving west of the Mississippi river will pull your compass needle further and further to the East.
Link
www.compassdude.com...
I am 2 clickes east of the Mississippi. which will cause the compass to be slighty pointing east. My friend that ploted the position of the house at first did not believe it was pointing Northeast and did a declination, because he thought it had to be the problem. Well, it wasn't wrong. North is Northeast where I am. Now getting a camera and pointing the compass at the North Star is totally rediculious.
Yesterday, I got an email from Dr. Barry Warmkessel, an Astrophsyicst, he had been in China all week and could not get back to me sooner on this. His statement on the matter.
I am away from my research sources, but the Earth has not just a single magnetic pole, but has several smaller dipoles that could be growing. In fact the one near South Africa has already flipped, so some of these minor poles could be growing in strengh.
ALMOST INCONCEIVABLE CHANGES IN THE GEOMAGNETIC FIELD. The Earth's geomagnetic field has be found to change as rapidly as 6 degrees per day corresponding to Figure10. Rapid Rotation of the Earth's Inner Core of the ANALYSIS
After getting the email, I can see, where you think everyone that has an off reading must be wrong, well we are not wrong.
And let's see your proof of your compass being right, If everyone on ATS, has to have total proof of everything they say, then you should have a field day on the UFO threads.
The celestial poles do not remain permanently fixed against the background of the stars. Because of a phenomenon known as the precession of the equinoxes, the poles trace out circles on the celestial sphere, with a period of about 25,700 years.