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Compasses going crazy...Theories and Research

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posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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That is one scary link, So after reading that HAARP could very easily be causing this magnetic anomoly. Now, if they are consentration on the New Madrid area and on up North, they could very well be setting us up for a Big Quake. Where is the money coming from to finace HAARP. We all need to stop paying taxes. They are using our own money, to kill us, and we even paid for all of the Fema Coffins to bury us in. If we stopped paying it would shut the government down for sure. Trying to get everyone in the US to agree on anything is the problem.




posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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I went to 3 locations and took pictures. However, one of the locations is actually showing less angle than when I was looking at it the other day. I wish I hadn't forgot my xD card in my camera, as I was totally intending on taking the picture today.

In my 4th location, when I got myself correctly oriented the compass is a more east than in the other locations, but not as much as I thought it was. That being the case, I'll go to the same locations again and do it but I think I have to be a bit more precise.

So - to summarize. I might be wrong. The difference I'm seeing may be minor enough to be considered normal variation.

Or the difference I'm noting isn't as extreme as I originally thought and I'll have to be more precise to really be certain. One location seems to be different than it was the other day, so I'll look again in a few days.

I had a nice cop van drive up and check out what the strange woman doing on the side of the road. Good thing - the one was a friend of mine who was totally unfazed by the idea I might be mapping out a magnetic oddity.

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posted on Mar, 27 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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great to see someone is out there actually trying to document it though. So far, unless I missed something, all the evidence was not backed up. The only picture I remember seeing was of a scratched table and a pyramid.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 08:28 AM
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Why it is so quiet now? Already bored of this nonsense? Unbelievable what's going on here.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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When you have uneducated Troll's acting like children and ATS Radio personalities basically calling members "stupid" and "don't know enough how to find magnetic north" and "don't know how to read a compass".....you can expect members to stop posting. The Troll's and even certain ATS Staff, can't validate whether a person knows what they're doing or not, only by their own personal opinions. Are they standing there, next to these people, holding their hands and checking their every move? No. Yet, they're self-righteous approach to all members involved in this thread, caused the drop off in replies. My personal thanks to those Staff members who have the ability to see through their Computer screens to know if any particular person has knowledge of compass use, and claiming that the only good compasses are issued only by the US Military, for killing this thread.

230 flags, says this topic was important to 230 members. And possibly as many more who simply didn't come out of hiding, fearing abuse for posting their thoughts.

I won't sit here and debate about peoples knowledge or "understanding" or "proper training" of compass use, maps and magnetic poles. That would be a an endless void of arguing that I personally will not waste time on.

By the way.......my very expensive and accurately calibrated Engineers compass (Which was NOT purchased at Walmart), reads magnetic north to be to the northeast of my declination by a total of 11 degrees as of this post. But my years of compass use to align satellite TV dishes and my years of youth becoming an Eagle Scout and time spent working on a local Survey team, means nothing and is not a valid level of "experience" in the minds of the people who continuously bashed members in this thread.
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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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It's probably gone quiet because there is no anomaly to discuss.
I got my compass out at the start, thought there was something wrong too.

However, using the North Star as a proper reference instantly proved there was nothing wrong except for me assuming I knew EXACTLY where North was during daytime.

So what we have produced is a map of people who cannot find North, with or without a compass :-)

i.e. a compass is no good on this thread unless you also have an exact due North reference, since we are discussing the differences between the two.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Actually, this thread died the very night ATS Live talked about it. Not pointing fingers, but, just saying.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Being a dick is WAY easier than figuring out why every person is wrong the same way.

And yes, people should be a bit braver about being wrong. It happens, and some people being snotty doesn't make it worse. It just makes them snotty. Even people being wrong the same way is interesting in itself, and people who aren't so full of their own superiority would recognize that.

Be brave people. Being potentially wrong isn't that horrible.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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I did not read the whole thread but I have noticed the compass in the car is telling me me north is north east for some reason?



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by habfan1968
I did not read the whole thread but I have noticed the compass in the car is telling me me north is north east for some reason?


Magnetic North is slightly Northeast from True North.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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It has gone quite because there isn't any evidence I have seen that makes this thread credible. My compass reads north and i live near an area where many others have said their compass does not.....I have come to my own conclusion, like the one i made earlier in that people do not know how to read a compass. You need a compass, a map, and a point of reference to find yourself on a map.....if not you will become lost.....i have said before these people have a map, and a compass but they did not realize that the magnetic north and true north change.....this has been discussed for years before this thread. Other people who do not know how to read a compass have come up with the same conclusion many of you have too. Don't feel bad and attack us and say we are trolls but rather look into how to read a compass and you will find you errors.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by habfan1968
I did not read the whole thread but I have noticed the compass in the car is telling me me north is north east for some reason?


Magnetic North is slightly Northeast from True North.


That depends on where one is. In the eastern US, it's slightly west of north, in the western US it's slightly east of north, increasing as one goes westward. Deviations will exacerbate as one travels northward toward the poles, meaning that in Canada the deflection will be more pronounced, and towards the equator less so.

Yesterday, during daylight and using georeferenced satellite images to indicate geographic north, I found a deviation of 11 degrees too far westward at work (19 degree deflection of the needle total), which had not been there a week before - it was reading true then. If the overcast clears tonight, I'll take another reading at night, using Polaris as the northward reference.

Compass used - US Military Issue Lensatic compass.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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I have to be more precise. Once I oriented myself, the degree of differetiation was much less. There still seems to be some.

On that note - a Canadian gov. website for calculating your declination.

gsc.nrcan.gc.ca...



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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When you have uneducated Troll's acting like children and ATS Radio personalities basically calling members "stupid" and "don't know enough how to find magnetic north" and "don't know how to read a compass".....you can expect members to stop posting. The Troll's and even certain ATS Staff, can't validate whether a person knows what they're doing or not, only by their own personal opinions. Are they standing there, next to these people, holding their hands and checking their every move? No. Yet, they're self-righteous approach to all members involved in this thread, caused the drop off in replies. My personal thanks to those Staff members who have the ability to see through their Computer screens to know if any particular person has knowledge of compass use, and claiming that the only good compasses are issued only by the US Military, for killing this thread.


That's for real, ATS radio was ridiculing people like that? Yeah, my compass is reading normal, but I never insulted anyone who was having different readings... I never assumed people were idiots that didn't know how to read a compass. Wow....



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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This has been the problem through the entire thread...
There are "Two" [2] North Poles because the earth is flopped over on it;s axis and wobbale , Magnetice North is where it would be if the Earth was on it's Correct Axis.



Magnetic North is slightly Northeast from True North.


The Magnetic Pole has always been hundreds of miles from True North. The entire thread was about the Magnetic North Pole, not the True North Pole that is aligned to Polairis. The Magnetic Pole is move toward Russia, we know that as a fact, and have accounted for it. Now everyone that lives around the New Madrid from Alabama to Ohio are not all compass illiterate. Point Your compass toward the North Star all should be way off to the East because the Magnetic Pole is not nor has ever been close to the North Star. My house was "Not" aligned to True North 11 years ago, it was aligned to Magnetic North. Six [6] months ago my compass showed that the alingment of my house to Magnectic North was 3-4 degree toward Northeast, Now it has changed so fast that Magnetic North is now exactly Northeast. Taking into account that Magnetic North is moving 45 miles per year we are told, but according to my compass reading it has moved a whole lot faster since 6 months ago than we have been told. And when the Magnectic North flips [Not the earth flipping] it can cause many Magnectic Poles to form all over the world. That is what the thread is about. [ "True North should have never even been discussed or compare with anything in this threas because we were never discussing True North"]



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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Oddly, I drive the same care everyday and noticed on the way home that it was no longer say N when it usually did when driving in the direction. Mag North has moved is all I am saying.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Maps are in True North. I would imagine that many people think of North/South oriented roadways, and those are usually on True North. Magnetic North only makes sense in context to something else, preferable something that doesn't move.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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reply to post by MadDogtheHunter The idiots talking about True North is what killed the thread They are the dumbes and illiterates!!

 
It died when all the idiots that say were are compass illiterate got on here going on and on and on about True North when we were never talking about True North. They can't seem to get it through their heads that True North and Magnetic North has never been in the same place since the earth fell off its True Axis thousands of years ago. Now if the Earth moved 23.5 degrees back to it's correct axis both poles would be in the same place.



posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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There are 3 "norths" on all military, and most topographic, maps. on those types of maps, a declination diagram, usually on the lower-left, with show the interrelations between them, with three prongs and numbers for each. The prong with a star at the top is "true" (geographic) north, the one with an arrowhead is magnetic north, and the one with "GN" at the tip is grid (UTM or MGRS grid) north.

Magnetic north varies from year to year with the movement of the magnetic north pole, and there will be a figure (usually in "arc minutes", shown by a " ' ") to allow the user to compensate for declination changes in the interim between map editions. One arc second is 1/60th degree. Maps for this area, for example, say the change is 2' year, meaning that it should change 1 full degree in 30 years at that rate.

Geographic north and grid north never change, and so are always the same relative to one another. The difference in grid north comes from trying to superimpose a flat (measured in meters from a specific point on Earth) grid on to a round planet. Every 6 degrees of longitude, a "new" grid is used to account for that curvature. Coordinates given in meters on the UTM grid can't be merged across those lines, since the orientation of each to the other is so "tilted". Grid north and geographic north coincide on the central meridian of any given 6 degree UTM zone, and as you go east or west to the edges of that 6 degree zone they vary more and more.

Most military and topographic maps that have a grid printed on them use the UTM or MGRS (a UTM grid modified for military use) grids. In those cases, it's most often "grid north" that is used to report location coordinates back ("grid coordinates"), and that is the conversion used from "north" to "magnetic north" to take compass bearings.

"Grid north" is also what you align the edge of your compass with to orient the maps, since the grid is printed right there, and so easy to align the compass edge with.



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posted on Mar, 28 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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There is a good reason people, including myself brought up true north though... If I decide I am going on a map plotting hike, first thing I do is find true north, and make sure my compass is working properly. If it is not my map is not plotted correctly best case scenario, worst case scenario I get lost and die.... How do people who say their compass is off, then get mad when people bring up true north, know there compass was working properly last read, or even this read if they don't know how to orient it? That is the reason I brought true north up, it is always relevant to a discussion on compasses.



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