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Compasses going crazy...Theories and Research

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by grimdar
Do compasses fluctuate? Is it normal? Mine is fluctuating 20 degrees, you can see the needle going back and forth, usually every 20 seconds or so. There is no interference around me.


Can you set it down on a level surface and leave it for a while, then check back? Perhaps movement from your hand, or movement from moving the device is still rocking it for a bit. If you let it settle for a bit in one level location, does it still do it?


Perfectly level on a wooden desk, with no movement whatsoever. I initially started this experiment and marked with a pen where the compass was pointing in the morning, just to see if there was a shift during the day.

To my surprise the answer was yes, but right in front of my eyes, the needle clearly moves 20 degrees east about every 20-30 seconds now. I'd like to snap a video of it, but when my iphone approaches, it several interferes with it. It's doing it as I type this,..it just moved 20 degrees WEST... making a total offset movement of 40 degrees




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Probably a dumb question, but it isn't near a wall or anything electrical?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Can you go set it outside. If it is near your computer, my first guess is that when your computer spins up it is producing magnetic interference.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by roguepriest
reply to post by Aeons
 

I wonder if taking readings when the sky is heavily chem-trailed will make any difference?


I absolutely wondered the same thing and in a post a couple pages back laid out a *speculative* scenario that I felt compelled to write just to get it off my chest and on record. While it's obviously premature to speculate IF compasses may be getting affected from manmade interventions, before we can actually determine IF many are truly reading in anomolous ways, I think it's fine to bring up items in this research that might well be affecting them as a plausible hypothesis, and I also find the whole idea of EM weapons systems and such things as ionospheric heaters (HAARP etc.) potentially a plausible culprit especially if as some posters have claimed they are getting 'pulsed' type readings on their compasses.

One scenario that has been laid out is that these aerosol/particulate scatterings (of which so many are now aware) may not just be for weather mod. alone but also for other 'warfare' purposes. IF they involve (one component) scattering various metals, which some claim, which are energized in our skies then I feel it might be likely they could have the potential to supercede earth's relatively weak magnetic field at least locally or regionally. I wonder as well as recording the time and location of when compass readings are taken it might be helpful to also note existance of clear or cloudy skies and any sky anomolies. As a side note I seem to recall pictures of rainbow clouds above and in close realtionship time wise to some of these latest very severe quakes.
edit on 23-3-2011 by Tecumte because: added text for clarification



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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A bit far in to this thread to post this, but a few tips for achieving accurate compass readings:

    1. Ensure compass is no less that 100 feet away from any building or vehicle
    2. Be sure there are no power/telephone/cable lines within 500 feet of the compass
    3. Remove any watches, jewelry or metal clothing accessories
    4. Pacemakers and hearing aids may cause slight interference
    5. Keep all cell phones, bluetooth and pagers well away from the compass
    6. Don't hold compass tight to your body. You'd be surprised the trace amounts of "interference" the human body can produce
    7. Take multiple readings from several locations
    8. Take readings in different weather conditions and times of day/night

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by coolottie
reply to post by Phage
 
Thank you for the info, The earthquakes in Arkansas have really picked up, March 22, and George Ure,
thinks it would indicate a large quake coming somewhere. But since this just shows the strength on the Field, then that is not even what we going by, Sorry, and thanks for teaching me something. I learn something every time I come on ATS.


Greetings coolottie:

Nice to see you out there.

At the first look, this might appear to be off topic, but then again, maybe not. What if these compass anomalies tied in with some (or all) of the other "strange things" that are being tracked now?

How about assisting in this project which will correlate earthquake lights, strange sounds and rumblings - before, during, after - and earthquakes. The information collected could possibly lead to some sort of earthquake prediction system here within ATS if the data can be analyzed for some sort of predictive pattern. The idea is to collect the correct data from the start - and as soon as possible IMHO.

I, personally, would welcome any advice/help/suggestions/interested parties to make this idea better and a reality sooner. (Phage are you there?)

It might be interesting to see if any of these sounds have "Earthquake Lights" associated with them before/during/after the sounds and an earthquake? Or were there sounds/lights and the EQ hasn't happened as yet - we really do not have enough data to make an informed decision as to the amount of time between events...?

Please help to spread the word to as many people as possible to quickly build the database as this information and map may prove to be quite timely - especially to people in the Yellowstone/New Madrid/West Coast/Alaska areas.

Earthquake Lights Map Live Update

Thank you for your time and consideration.

These challenges to life and sanity on this planet must be met with clear minds and sound hearts, so may your 2011 see you embracing its highest potential and onward through the fog!

In Peace & Light

tfw




American Red Cross

Dodged a Solar Bullet

Will America's Nuclear Power Plants Fail in an 8.0 Earthquake?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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reply to post by thorfourwinds
 
If people can also get videos or images of the earthquake lights or rainbow looking clouds. I just took my compass out in the middle of a field. Before it was exactly Northeast, in the field it did correct 2 degrees. I will check it in other areas when I go somewhere.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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I tried using my droid compass and everything seems to be working right lol. But then again I didn't know where magnetic north was before so i don't have a point for reference lol.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by freestonew
whew!
There is that old shortwave radio ham "problem". "Can you detect the signal through the noise"? It would be easy to assume all this is "noise" if your compass reads normal, or that you could "prove" that someone with bad readings merely held the compass too close to his iron belt buckle!
Patterns mean Something: look at that map! see that the places where compass deviance is, is in one area of the country!
I will keep track of this one thread!
freestone


Greetings freestonew:

I agree. Patterns mean something.

What if these compass anomalies have something to do with pre-quake sounds, rumblings and/or lights? At the same time the compasses are acting strange, there are worldwide reports of these other curious things.

How about assisting in this project which will correlate earthquake lights, strange sounds and rumblings - before, during, after - and earthquakes. The information collected could possibly lead to some sort of earthquake prediction system here within ATS if the data can be analyzed for some sort of predictive pattern. (CLP are you there?) The idea is to collect the correct data from the start - and as soon as possible IMHO.

I, personally, would welcome any advice/help/suggestions/interested parties to make this idea better and a reality sooner.

It might be interesting to see if any of these sounds have "Earthquake Lights" associated with them before/during/after the sounds and an earthquake? Or were there sounds/lights and the EQ hasn't happened as yet - we really do not have enough data to make an informed decision as to the amount of time between events...?

Please help to spread the word to as many people as possible to quickly build the database as this information and map may prove to be quite timely - especially to people in the Yellowstone/New Madrid/West Coast/Alaska areas.

Earthquake Lights Map Live Update

Thank you for your time and consideration.

These challenges to life and sanity on this planet must be met with clear minds and sound hearts, so may your 2011 see you embracing its highest potential and onward through the fog!

In Peace & Light

tfw




American Red Cross

Dodged a Solar Bullet

Will America's Nuclear Power Plants Fail in an 8.0 Earthquake?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by soficrow
 

I see. My comment about earthquakes and geomagnetic activity naturally brings HAARP into the conversation.


Of course - it's part of the "denial" package, and some might say the reason for the denial.



1) Can you explain how, by affecting a region of the ionosphere, HAARP can impact the magnetic field?


Can you explain how to "manipulate the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" without impacting the magnetic field?

According to the European Parliament, as outlined in the thread European Parliament issues warnings on HAARP, HAARP is about "manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere":



…regarding ...the environmental and public risks connected with the high Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP) programme...

…despite the existing conventions, military research is ongoing on environmental manipulation as a weapon, as demonstrated for example by the Alaska-based HAARP system,”

…Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. ...HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter.

Entire Text of European Document





2) Can you explain how such effects can cause compasses to exhibit fixed deviations as described in this thread?


My point, made repeatedly here and elsewhere, is that earthquake- and solar-related deviations are temporary.



In addition. Assuming that earthquakes (the Japan earthquake in particular?) can disrupt the magnetic field. Can you explain why I and others are observing no anomalous compass readings?


Magnetic field disruptions tend to be temporary AND localized. Ie,:



MAGNETIC FIELD ANOMALIES ASSOCIATED WITH GEODYNAMIC PHENOMENA.
Abstract
Significant variations of the Earth's magnetic field seem to be associated with geodynamie phenomena, particularly volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. The variations have small amplitudes, generally only a few nT. These small signals are embedded into larger transient variations due to other natural or artificial causes. An original method of recovering interesting signals having amplitudes down to 1 nT, is to describe the whole variation analytically so that each component may be isolated. Several studies have shown that significant signals exist for tectonically active regions: 10-30 nT for large-scale arrays over periods of years; 5-15 nT for volcanic phenomena; 1-5 nT for earthquakes.




Geologic al and geophysical traits of western South America between latitude 25° S and 33°S, and the Magsat anomalies map
Abstract
The total field Magsat anomalies map for South America presented by Hastings 1982 shows the highest positive anomaly in the western part of the Continent, between lat. 25° and 33° S. The magnetic anomaly is located in a segment of the Andean Belt that has particular geological and geophysical characteristics. Their interpretation in terms of anomalous subduction behavior of the Nazca plate, responsible for the rise of asthenospheric matter to shallow crustal levels (Febrer et al., 1982), is consistent with the presence of the positive magnetic anomaly.


Results and perspectives of tectonomagnetic investigations in the Western Antarctic


The results of long-term (1998-2005 yrs.) tectonomagnetic investigations in the Western Antarctic near the lo- cation of Ukrainian Antarctic Station «Academic Vernadsky» are reviewed. The peculiarities of the Earth’s anomalous magnetic field and its dynamic temporal variations (tectonomagnetic anomalies) were studied using the newly founded tectonomagnetic polygon. Near the Argentine Archipelago intensive tectonomagnetic effects up to -2.8 nT/year were determined. Their spatial-temporal structure agrees with tectonic structure elements. We suggest that the nature of such effects is caused by a piezomagnetic effect under the influence of stretching tec- tonic forces (few bars per year) in sub-latitudinal direction. Perspectives of tectonomagnetic investigations in the region are discussed.




Can you explain how such disruptions can cause the fixed deviations described in this thread?


Again, my contributions to this thread have emphasized that earthquake- and solar-related deviations tend to be temporary.


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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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I agree paterns may mean something...please do not take this personally...

The patern I see, is that a few years ago, compass apps came out, those that are most likely to see these apps are the younger generation, or those less likely to know/understand ..old school magnetic compasses.

Phone app compasses, are true north apps., meaning that they do not..give you a declination to align a magnetic compass to it " and all declinations are positive meaning if unknown it will point easterly"...they give you a degree reading where ever you pont them, to true north!

That said before any patterns go crazy about madrid fault...eg's, or what ever...please consider the earliest paterns of all...
Young ppl with a new tool, they have never used or had a reason to use....yet alone a tool that has two ways to be read....one making the other look false unless your educated in compass use and know that mag north is measured off true north!
Because true north is fixed and mag north has always been moving...and always will be...and can be plotted and predicted years ahead of time.
Its very tough to measure anything from a moving start point ie hard to measure your houses legnth if your tape measure is hooked to a moving lawn mower....hence the importance of true north..you cant measure anything if the start point is moving.


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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by arrus75
... it appears, that magnetic north is where is should be ...but there is a strong magnetic pull a few hundred miles off the coast of South Carolina that is interfering with compasses...


This is is almost exactly where I was going, although I was thinking the (additional) (North) magnetic pole would have been further north, pulling at the magnetic field of the East coast of the USA while not strong enough to influence the magnetic field of West coast.

Adding a South magnetic pole of the correct strength somewhere around Wyoming would have a similar effect, but would result in readings taken further West being out in the opposite direction as their magnetic fields would be pushed West around the additional pole... which doesn't appear to be the case.

Adding short lines to the map that show the direction of magnetic North might clarify what the magnet field lines are doing.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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I posted a few days ago that my compass points south. Its an old one and after investigation found that a compass can go bad. Yes, I have a bad compass that has been too near an electrical source or has been hit by lightning. Just to answer my own post.
Spike



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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I have been Personally feeling the effects of the rapid shifts in the earths Electromagnetism. This past few weeks unexplainably i have been experiencing unusual amounts of visual and sound disturbances. Such as Floaters and Visual Snow. Certain parts of my body have been experiencing pain and a electric burning sensation. Doctors have not been helping. Except to inform me that i may have schizophrenia. I personally believe that i and many others are experiencing what we call the Acceding process. I have been refereed to the Indigo Children movements. And even if still have doubt this movements has provided more peace and awnsers than any religion has. I have in a way have started the accession process. I hope many others do as well.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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I had a thought I shared with friends about what could happen to people in a Shifting, I thought what if the Middle East is have a Southern Magnetic Pole forming there, and causing all this unrest. I found this articile on another ATS thread, [but did leave a flag]



to that grim scenario that fact that much research also has revealed that increased magnetic storms couples with the magnetic pole shift and changing core of the earth will likely lead to natural disasters such as the catastrophe that hit Japan during March 2011, and it's a veritable witches' brew of madness, mayhem and mass death.


Link To Articile
www.helium.com...

Link to Thread: Vortex of Death
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Can you explain how to "manipulate the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" without impacting the magnetic field?


According to the European Parliament, as outlined in the thread European Parliament issues warnings on HAARP, HAARP is about "manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere":


Was the EU Parliament composed of ionospheric scientists? If not, whom did they consult on the capabilities of HAARP?
Can you explain what "electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" HAARP manipulates?



Magnetic field disruptions tend to be temporary AND localized. Ie,:

1) Ok. Some magnetic effects seen in a few locations. A very dated study which also says:

Small but significant H signals recovered from noisy magnetic records have tentatively been assigned to geodynamic manifestations like faulting or volcanic eruptions. Two major problems appear which are generally not discussed. First, can the observed magnetic perturbation be reliably related to other phenomena such as ground deformation, tremors, etc., and are time-dependent parameters compatible? Second, can the observations in one area be extrapolated to other situations on some justifiable basis? It appears that the results obtained are greatly dependent on the mechanism involved, particularly regarding the time constants. These mechanisms are discussed in more detail by Beamish in his review

It seems the authors themselves aren't really confident that there is a link and if there is, how the heck does it work?

More recent studies indicate that there may be ULF precursors to earthquakes but that is not quite the same thing as claiming that earthquakes affect the magnetic field. There are no dramatic changes.
www.phoenix-geophysics.com...

These studies are talking about field strengths of a few nanoteslas. No magnetic compass will detect such weak signals (1000 times less than general field strength) and if they did they would demonstrate an oscillation, not a steady deviation.

2 & 3) Yes, there are magnetic anomalies in various locations but those papers don't seem to associate them with earthquakes or say they are temporary. I don't think such anomalies tend to appear out of nowhere with enough strength to deviate compasses by 50 or 60 degrees.
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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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I think Terrance Aym is the next Sorcha Faal.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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Erm. That was MY question.


Can YOU explain how to "manipulate the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" without impacting the magnetic field?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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reply to post by soficrow
 

You are claiming that HAARP "manipulates the electrical properties of the atmosphere". Please explain what that means exactly. What electrical properties? What manipulation?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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You are claiming that HAARP "manipulates the electrical properties of the atmosphere".


Erm. No. It's the European Parliament making that claim. Just click on those little linkie thingies in my post for the full document.

And again:

Can YOU explain how to "manipulate the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" without impacting the magnetic field?




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