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Compasses going crazy...Theories and Research

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:43 PM
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It may be helpful if you set your compass on a curb or sidewalk which is parallel to the road (something to provide a reference line) and take a picture of it.

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Even if it was fluctuating, I fail to see how that would account for it.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Aeons
 

It may be helpful if you set your compass on a curb or sidewalk which is parallel to the road (something to provide a reference line) and take a picture of it.

edit on 3/23/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)


Can do. I'll include the GPS, just for a reference point of coordinates too.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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I wonder if taking readings when the sky is heavily chem-trailed will make any difference?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by roguepriest
reply to post by Aeons
 

I wonder if taking readings when the sky is heavily chem-trailed will make any difference?


I have no intention of making this my new career. I live in the flight path to the airport. I could spend the rest of my life studying plane trails to see if they are unique and then breaking out my compass to derive meaning from them. I have visions of myself as some Shaman beheading chickens and trying to make predictions from my backyard.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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Hey now, don't be hating on chicken beheading shamans now




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Tecumte

Originally posted by Aeons
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Every compass that is wrong is pointing wrong the same way.

Sure - that's possible. But then, odds are that that is even more strange.


Aeons, are you sure they are all pointing wrong the same way? I was under the impression from reading earlier posts in this thread that some were pointing NW some E some NE ect. was this just due to the location of the person measuring though, and not corrected for location, I would have to go back through the thread. Also I was under the impressoin a few contributers posted pretty fair swings in the readings even in slightly different directions even in a relatively short time frame. Anyone recall and has anyone been keeping track?

I posted a 'general' compass reading from Mid Missouri not long ago that relayed that I couldn't see any difference in N here from where I ususally expect it to be. This wasn't meant to be scientific on my part, but I shall try and get a more accurate measurement and see just how many (if any ) degrees it is off. I just recently had my rural property surveyed with a N/S line across an open field and I think the surveyors had the coordinates listed in an official survey, Possibly I can use that as a reference and see how far off my compass is anyone have thought on that?


I took my compass out yesterday, when I did errands. The magnetic North is different in my community than when I went to two other communities. Previously, I have gone to stores that I know have compasses, and put all their compasses out and looked. In those cases, they were all off. Yesterday, only the reading my specific community was off out of the four places I checked.
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Apologies, I think I misunderstood your earlier comment. I thought you were referring to all of the other posters here having their compasses all off in the same direction, rather than meaning the ones you have. I've been trying to squeeze in reading posts here at work on my couple of (short) breaks. Carry on....



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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I am aware the readings I get from time to time sound absurd. I am an avid Backpacker and rely on my compass. I spend time during the spring and summer navigating the forests of northwest montana. I use a SUUNTO M3D compass. I plan to buy a new compass to make sure my equip is not malfunctioning.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Thank you for the info, The earthquakes in Arkansas have really picked up, March 22, and George Ure,
thinks it would indicate a large quake coming somewhere. But since this just shows the strength on the Field, then that is not even what we going by, Sorry, and thanks for teaching me something. I learn something every time I come on ATS.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Do compasses fluctuate? Is it normal? Mine is fluctuating 20 degrees, you can see the needle going back and forth, usually every 20 seconds or so. There is no interference around me.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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I don't know if this has been adressed yet, but I believe that smart phones and the like use GPS to tell you where North is. In that sense they should always work, unless the sat. gets screwed up somehow. I may be wrong, but this was always my assumption of how it worked. Trying a magnetic compass and my Iphone showed that (assuming the Iphone is correct) that my magnetic compass was in fact off. But not by a whole lot....still enough to be obviously different than my Iphone.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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According to Phage, "There is scant evidence that geomagnetic activity influences earthquakes or vice versa."

Wotta crock. ...It's just a legal position.


There is no doubt that variations in the Earth's magnetic field can cause earthquakes but for some odd reason, mainstream corporate-government funded scientists continue to demur. This helps explain what's going on...

Thanks to anon72 for this thread: European Parliament issues warnings on HAARP. Here are a few VERY important clips from the original document:



…regarding HAARP research:

“[The European Parliament]… regrets the repeated refusal of the United States Administration to send anyone in person to give evidence to the public hearing or any subsequent meeting held by its competent committee into the environmental and public risks connected with the high Frequency Active Auroral Research Project (HAARP) programme currently being funded in Alaska.”

…despite the existing conventions, military research is ongoing on environmental manipulation as a weapon, as demonstrated for example by the Alaska-based HAARP system,”

…HAARP can be used for many purposes. Enormous quantities of energy can be controlled by manipulating the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere. If used as a military weapon this can have a devastating impact on an enemy. HAARP can deliver millions of times more energy to a given area than any other conventional transmitter.

…From the 1950s the USA conducted explosions of nuclear material in the Van Allen Belts(24) to investigate the effect of the electro-magnetic pulse generated by nuclear weapon explosions at these heights on radio communications and the operation of radar. This created new magnetic radiation belts which covered nearly the whole earth. The electrons travelled along magnetic lines of force and created an artificial Aurora Borealis above the North Pole. These military tests are liable to disrupt the Van Allen belt for a long period. The earth’s magnetic field could be disrupted over large areas, which would obstruct radio communications. According to US scientists it could take hundreds of years for the Van Allen belt to return to normal. HAARP could result in changes in weather patterns. It could also influence whole ecosystems, especially in the sensitive Antarctic regions.

Another damaging consequence of HAARP is the occurrence of holes in the ionosphere caused by the powerful radio beams. The ionosphere protects us from incoming cosmic radiation. The hope is that the holes will fill again, but our experience of change in the ozone layer points in the other direction. This means substantial holes in the ionosphere that protects us.

With its far-reaching impact on the environment HAARP is a matter of global concern ...

Entire Text of European Document




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Perhaps you would like to discuss it in that thread.
It's off topic here.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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Perhaps you would like to discuss it in that thread.
It's off topic here.


I'm responding directly to YOUR legal position, presented as scientific "fact" - so it's on topic in that regard. In addition, the information provided in my post directly helps to explain why compasses do in fact go crazy periodically and unpredictably. ...Falls under the "Theories and Research" component referred to in the thread title.








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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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I'm sorry. I must have missed the part of your post which indicates that HAARP could be responsible for the apparently anomalous compass readings being discussed. Or are you claiming nuclear devices are responsible?

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
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I'm sorry. I must have missed the part of your post which indicates that HAARP could be responsible for the apparently anomalous compass readings being discussed. Or are you claiming nuclear devices are responsible?


I was responding to your statement, "There is scant evidence that geomagnetic activity influences earthquakes or vice versa."

But for your edification, here's how it works:

1. HAARP "manipulat(es) the electrical characteristics of the atmosphere" - which impacts the magnetic field.

2. Variations and micro-variations in the magnetic field temporarily affect compass readings.

...IN ADDITION, a) disruptions in the magnetic field can cause earthquakes, while b) earthquakes disrupt the magnetic field, and c) the two dynamics combine to establish a feedback loop, which helps in part to explain "aftershocks."

NOTE: This feedback effect does NOT negate mechanical tectonic influences but rather, adds to the mix.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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I see. My comment about earthquakes and geomagnetic activity naturally brings HAARP into the conversation.

1) Can you explain how, by affecting a region of the ionosphere, HAARP can impact the magnetic field?

2) Can you explain how such effects can cause compasses to exhibit fixed deviations as described in this thread?

In addition. Assuming that earthquakes (the Japan earthquake in particular?) can disrupt the magnetic field. Can you explain why I and others are observing no anomalous compass readings? Can you explain how such disruptions can cause the fixed deviations described in this thread?


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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Well, some of the other posters who are also finding that their compasses are pointing in an unexpected direction all seem to have their compasses pointing more easterly than would be expected.

If everyone was reading them wrong, then they are all reading them wrong and somehow also getting them wrong in exactly the same way. Or if their compasses are off, shouldn't they be off in different ways, not all the same way? Random distrubtion should be expected, not a consistent reading in the same direction.

Roll a di with 8 sides, and you should expect a random distribution. Have many people roll a di in many locations, and some get an anomolous roll that makes all of the anomolies roll 7 when they are out of pattern? That'd be a freakin' amazing thing in and of itself.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by grimdar
Do compasses fluctuate? Is it normal? Mine is fluctuating 20 degrees, you can see the needle going back and forth, usually every 20 seconds or so. There is no interference around me.


Can you set it down on a level surface and leave it for a while, then check back? Perhaps movement from your hand, or movement from moving the device is still rocking it for a bit. If you let it settle for a bit in one level location, does it still do it?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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1) Can you explain how, by affecting a region of the ionosphere, HAARP can impact the magnetic field?


If as their website states, HAARP is only there to research effects on the ionosphere, then why the need for several such facilities around the world?
Surely it would only take one for the purpose we are told..



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