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reply posted on 27-7-2004 @ 09:16 PM by dr_strangecraft
There are some greater minds than I that can answer that question. Until they answer, here's my take on it.

Masonry stretches back to a time when being free was unusual. Most people were born into a relationship where they were bound by "fealty" to someone else.

Usually, this meant that they owed the lord of the manor a share of all their labor. In return, the manor owed them protection from bandits, and representation in court.

Because serfs were not free to buy and sell on their own account (since the lord owned a share of all they produced), they could not enter into contracts or make oaths without m'lord's permission. In feudal times this meant they could not marry, borrow money, join the priesthood, or go on pilgrimages without getting the contract approved by their lord.

Even serfs and slaves who purchased their own freedom could be re-infeudated (enslaved) if they failed to pay a special tax on their liberty. Such people had to wear a special cap to show that they owed the tax to their lord. The only way to avoid ever having to pay the tax, or risk being enslaved, was to be free from birth.

In masonry, the candidate makes a pledge and binds himself to a code of conduct. No person who was born to servitude could legally take such an oath. If a serf did, the master could legally compell the serf to divulge all secrets or other parties to the contract.

In other words, if a serf was made a mason, then his lord could legally compel him to divulge all the proceedings within the lodge, and the names of all the masons he knew.

Here is why this was important:

Masonry goes back to a time when there was no religious liberty. Men were not allowed to have an open Bible without a priest present, to interpret scripture correctly. So an open Bible was an afront to the church.
One of the great symbols in masonry is of course, the open Bible.

While political and religious division have no place within the lodge, it is also true that masons are honest about their personal beliefs in God while in the lodge. In a day when you could be executed for disagreeing with the church, it was a matter of life and death that your brother masons did not divulge what you said in the lodge.

This is the only sense in which masonry is a "secret" organization. It is also the reason that candidates must be freeborn: the candidate cannot owe to anyone an explanation of who he sits in lodge with, or the doctrines they profess.

I cannot prove it. But personally I am convinced that Masonry goes back to the time before the Reformation, when a Bible could only be opened by laymen in secret, when you could be killed for speaking freely about your faith. Brother masons will understand why I believe those things.

Anyone can see how masons would be accused of all kinds of horrible things if they were suspected of trying to approach God outside of the church hierarchy.

Maybe more knowledgeable men can correct my mistakes, or improve my explanations. Hope that helps, bastet.


reply posted on 28-7-2004 @ 04:23 PM by theron dunn
Originally posted by DEEVAH
our rituals and methods.... this quote is from theron reply. Rituals of what???

There are three basic degrees in masonry, which are conferred on candidates using rituals. Part of the ritual is, of course, spoken, and a fragment on that is a declaration of the candidates qualification:

By what further right does he expect to gain admission into a lodge of Free and Accepted Masons?
By being a man, freeborn, under the tongue of good report and coming well recommended...


I guess I'm skeptical cuz you the thing is, i heard from a haitian person that where she is from masson means satanism, Massonics are actually highly ranked there. They do ceremonies and give people protections. I guess those are different massons....

Well, that would come under the classification of HEARSAY. Your friend thinks that masonry equals satanism, but knows nothing about it except that masons are well known.

The plain fact is that masonry is hundreds of years old, and there are MILLIONS of masons worldwide. Kings and princes, presidents, and gardeners, politicians and businessmen have all been masons, and NEVER has anyone shown that masons are other than honorable men that serve the community and their countries...

Now, I would be remiss if I did not note that there HAVE been a few bad masons, but they are a vanishingly small number, and when we find one, we kick them out of the fraternity quickly. We try to ensure up front by investigation that a man is a good man before we allow him into the fraternity. ALL real Masons will tell you the same as I am telling you now, so you are left with two choices: This is a grand conspiracy, involving over 5 million masons (current worldwide membership) that ensures we all say the same thing, OR, the more reasonable assumption, we are simply telling the truth.

Now, one last point. ANYONE can claim to be a mason. As I noted above regarding women's masonry and co masonry. Real masons have no way of stopping these folks from claiming to be masons. The fraternity is so old that there are no "copyrights" or "trademarks" on the rituals and name that can be enforced, and masonry is so distributed (there are over 100 Regular Grand Lodges in the United States alone(!) each independent and recognized by all the other grand lodges)) and no single one of them owns outright the name and logos and symbols. THAT is how we can have "masonic" organizations that we do not recognize and consider clandestine.

Is that what is going on in Haiti? No, I don't think so. I really suspect that what you friend knows about Masonry is nothing but rumors based on no information.
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