How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
To Haslune,

No advancement in knowledge is made through reading books alone. Every so often a non-parrot has to come along and say the book and sometimes propaganda is wrong.

I am not afraid to say when I think I am wrong. Earlier I said that I didn't know what the purpose of the Grand Gallery and associated chambers was, beyond that it wasn't a tomb. Due to some other information I have come into, I think it may have been a tomb of sorts, and it was refridgerated.

I say of sorts because there are two identical sets of chambers like this. So the pyramid wasn't a tomb for a single individual as portrayed in books, and I have talked before about the twin living spaces near the apex not even mentioned at all in official literature. The "tombs" were refridgerated. There is evidence that someone has been digging in the southern face of the pyramid, in an offset location, which suggests they knew what they were looking for and had a good idea of where to find it. Did they find it? I don't know, I am having difficulty finding information about this southern breach. They might not have dug deep enough or quite in the right location, or were instructed to stop digging.

There is something, or someone not quite dead, still in the other "King's Chamber", something that has been very cold and is today thawing out, and "the powers that be" are getting worried about it because they aren't going have their way much longer. I hope it's not long before the pyramid is flipped back, the right way up.

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Thawing out , don't know . Other places to dig around the pyramid , during the time they had passage ways that led to and from the surface as depicted in some artistic renditions from religious texts . Were the artists accurate in their drawings showing other entrances , would their drawings have to be approved by the priests or someone else or just a fanciful addition ?

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
To Hanslune,

There is something, or someone not quite dead, still in the other "King's Chamber", something that has been very cold and is today thawing out, and "the powers that be" are getting worried about it because they aren't going have their way much longer. I hope it's not long before the pyramid is flipped back, the right way up.

'flipped back, the right way up' ...and that means?

Your writing seem to be more in the line of a science fiction book are you testing a plot or story line?

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There is certainly alot more to, and inside, the Khufu pyramid than is officially documented. Pierre Houdin is getting there. Houdin says he is reserving some of his evidence. Why is he keeping his powder dry? For battle. I think it's because he knows there are people who know exactly what's inside the pyramid and want to keep it hidden, and they'll do everything to try and discredit him in order to prevent an actual investigation inside the pyramid. Houdin knows it'll be a battle to reveal the pyramid's secrets.

Refridgeration: This is not the reason why I know the King's chambers are freezers, but I'll give circumstantial evidence consistent with this. There are cavities in the construction surrounding this chamber which might suggest thermal insulation. The entrance to this chamber also suggests several cavities. I know the official explanation for the cavities above the chamber are that's it's to redistribute load or something along those lines, but I don't think so. That never made much sense to me anyway. Why isn't there something similar in the "Queen's" chamber? It's deeper in the pyramid, and therefore has greater load.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
To Hanslune,

There is something, or someone not quite dead, still in the other "King's Chamber", something that has been very cold and is today thawing out, and "the powers that be" are getting worried about it because they aren't going have their way much longer. I hope it's not long before the pyramid is flipped back, the right way up.

'flipped back, the right way up' ...and that means?

Your writing seem to be more in the line of a science fiction book are you testing a plot or story line?

It is a good story, and what's better is that it's true.

One purpose of this pyramid was about securing Ascension, and the revolutionists stopped the Khufu pyramid completing its purpose. There were two men sealed inside and it was intended that one of these men would trigger Ascension. They lived and worked seperately from each other in identical living spaces. These two men had some connection with what was (and is in one case) contained inside each respective freezer - the two King's chambers.

The true hierarchy, therefore, was upset and it remains upset to this day. You might hear socialists today talking about "flipping the pyramid," which is why I am using the same phrase in response. Socialists aren't being entirely truthful, they flipped the pyramid 10000 years ago, and I think they are becoming worried the true hierarchy is about to be restored and the sorting of the wheat from the chaff is going to happen.

Here is a good 3D model of the Khufu pyramid - I haven't don mine yet. I think it shows there is easily enough space for two sets of Grand Gallerys and King's Chambers etc.

www.3dancientwonders.com...

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
I know the official explanation for the cavities above the chamber are that's it's to redistribute load or something along those lines, but I don't think so. That never made much sense to me anyway. Why isn't there something similar in the "Queen's" chamber? It's deeper in the pyramid, and therefore has greater load.

How do you know there's not?

The only reason we know about the ones over the King's Chamber is because of a crack that was observed to go deeper than would have been thought, followed by investigators blowing open a passage with black powder to see what was in there.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
I know the official explanation for the cavities above the chamber are that's it's to redistribute load or something along those lines, but I don't think so. That never made much sense to me anyway. Why isn't there something similar in the "Queen's" chamber? It's deeper in the pyramid, and therefore has greater load.

How do you know there's not?

The only reason we know about the ones over the King's Chamber is because of a crack that was observed to go deeper than would have been thought, followed by investigators blowing open a passage with black powder to see what was in there.

Harte

Because the ceiling of the Queen's chamber is the same as King's chamber several levels above. I think it's the "A" shape that redistributes the load in both chambers. I think the cavities in the King's chamber are there for thermal insulation, and I suspect there are similar layers of cavities below and at the sides of both King's Chambers. Maybe not below the chamber.

I said earlier that this was a good story. Actually it's tragic story because the past 10000+ years of war etc should never have happened.

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An interesting drawing. I don't know where the ground level entrance to the spiral ramps might be. They might be at or below the base, although I am confident they start at opposite corners of the pyramid. Pierre Houdin's "notch" in the north eastern corner will give access to the upper of one pair of spirals, but I don't know know the gradient and therefore how many turns there are before you get to the bottom or top.

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
reply to post by watchdog8110

 

An interesting drawing. I don't know where the ground level entrance to the spiral ramps might be. They might be at or below the base, although I am confident they start at opposite corners of the pyramid. Pierre Houdin's "notch" in the north eastern corner will give access to the upper of one pair of spirals, but I don't know know the gradient and therefore how many turns there are before you get to the bottom or top.

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I know I have seen another depiction of below and in front of the pyramid or pyramids of what i will call a grand gallery of sorts , pillars and entrances leading right under the pyramid . Will attempt to dig it up again . Pardon the pun . Whether the Egyptians are hesitant in uncovering everything involving the pyramids is their decision to respect . The curiosity in most of us would like them too , the skeptics on the other hand I imagine prefer no theories proved keeps them happier this way . One up manship does no one any good .

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
Because the ceiling of the Queen's chamber is the same as King's chamber several levels above. I think it's the "A" shape that redistributes the load in both chambers.

The ceiling in the King's Chamber is flat, while the one in the Queen's is "A" shaped:

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
I think the cavities in the King's chamber are there for thermal insulation, and I suspect there are similar layers of cavities below and at the sides of both King's Chambers. Maybe not below the chamber.

Your belief is just that - belief.

You can believe anything. It doesn't make it so.

Harte

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Your link to an external image doesn't work, so I don't know what argument you were trying to make. I get a 403 error or something like that: Forbidden Access.

A-shape may not have been the right description. Gabled ceiling may have been better. I am convinced those cavities in the King's chamber are not about redistributing load (the gabled ceiling does that, as it does in the Queen's chamber) and there are a series of similar cavities where the entrance is, therefore suggesting a common function for these cavities. I think that function is thermal insulation.

I said earlier I didn't think the shafts went anywhere interesting. Looking at the plans, I now strongly believe the ones that lead out of the "Queen's" chamber lead to the spiral ramps.

Here is a good link that also suggests a second Grand Gallery, although they have it located in the wrong place, unless there are FOUR Grand Galleries:

www.bmme.de...

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
reply to post by Harte

 

Your link to an external image doesn't work, so I don't know what argument you were trying to make. I get a 403 error or something like that: Forbidden Access.

A-shape may not have been the right description. Gabled ceiling may have been better. I am convinced those cavities in the King's chamber are not about redistributing load (the gabled ceiling does that, as it does in the Queen's chamber) and there are a series of similar cavities where the entrance is, therefore suggesting a common function for these cavities. I think that function is thermal insulation.

The link was to a pic of a drawing of a cross-section of the GP. It was intended to illustrate the fact that the King's Chamber ceiling is flat, not arched or "A" shaped.

The Queen's Chamber ceiling is "A" shaped, not gabled.

Try this pic:


Not sure why the other one didn't work. Maybe that one will.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
reply to post by Harte

 

Your link to an external image doesn't work, so I don't know what argument you were trying to make. I get a 403 error or something like that: Forbidden Access.

A-shape may not have been the right description. Gabled ceiling may have been better. I am convinced those cavities in the King's chamber are not about redistributing load (the gabled ceiling does that, as it does in the Queen's chamber) and there are a series of similar cavities where the entrance is, therefore suggesting a common function for these cavities. I think that function is thermal insulation.

The link was to a pic of a drawing of a cross-section of the GP. It was intended to illustrate the fact that the King's Chamber ceiling is flat, not arched or "A" shaped.

The Queen's Chamber ceiling is "A" shaped, not gabled.

Try this pic:


Not sure why the other one didn't work. Maybe that one will.

Harte

Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly.

I know the Queen's chamber's ceiling is gabled and the King's flat. My point is that if the cavities above the Kings's chamber before you get to its gabled ceiling are for stress relief, then why not do the same in the Queen's chamber? My point is that the cavities above the King's chamber are for another function, and that function is thermal insulation. The gabled ceiling is for stress relief. There was a similar series of cavities in the entrance to the King's chamber, when the three or so doors were present, suggesting that all these cavities are not stress relieving but for thermal isolation - similar way to the way double or triple glazing functions.

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly.

I know the Queen's chamber's ceiling is gabled and the King's flat. My point is that if the cavities above the Kings's chamber before you get to its gabled ceiling are for stress relief, then why not do the same in the Queen's chamber? My point is that the cavities above the King's chamber are for another function, and that function is thermal insulation. The gabled ceiling is for stress relief. There was a similar series of cavities in the entrance to the King's chamber, when the three or so doors were present, suggesting that all these cavities are not stress relieving but for thermal isolation - similar way to the way double or triple glazing functions.

Again, how do you know they didn't do the same above the Queen's chamber?

Short of using dynamite, we might never know.

You're assuming something as fact about the GP which is actually not known.

Besides, it appears to me that the passageway above the Queen's chamber might redirect the weight you're talking about, whereas there is no such passageway above the King's Chamber.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly.

I know the Queen's chamber's ceiling is gabled and the King's flat. My point is that if the cavities above the Kings's chamber before you get to its gabled ceiling are for stress relief, then why not do the same in the Queen's chamber? My point is that the cavities above the King's chamber are for another function, and that function is thermal insulation. The gabled ceiling is for stress relief. There was a similar series of cavities in the entrance to the King's chamber, when the three or so doors were present, suggesting that all these cavities are not stress relieving but for thermal isolation - similar way to the way double or triple glazing functions.

Again, how do you know they didn't do the same above the Queen's chamber?

Short of using dynamite, we might never know.

You're assuming something as fact about the GP which is actually not known.

Besides, it appears to me that the passageway above the Queen's chamber might redirect the weight you're talking about, whereas there is no such passageway above the King's Chamber.

Harte

If the passage you're talking about is the Grand Gallery, only a thin slither of that is directly above the Queen's Chamber, so I don't think that would reduce the weight bearing down on the chamber by much.

How do I know they didn't do the same above the Queen's Chamber? My reply is, why use a different construction technique to that used in the King's Chamber? Why not again use the cavities, followed by the gabled roof/ceiling to cap it all, if it's about relieving pressure? The other evidence is again the fact that cavities were used to seal the entrance to the King's Chamber. These cavities in the entrance had nothing to do with weight relieving.

I'll tell you why Egyptologists are desperate to make people think these are weight relieving chambers, it is because the thermal isolation solution (which is the correct one) would suggest the Original Egyptians (those who built the Khufu pyramid before the Ancient Egyptians built the others and the Valley of the Kings) had refridgeration technology, and had a purpose to use it in the two King's Chambers. That would go against the official history of Earth written by the parasites who currently control Earth and want to keep its history a secret, and the Ascension process in limbo.

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Great Thread!

This topic is always a tough debate.

I of course think The Great Pyramids are the work of both Humans and ET's.

It is easy to draw pictures of how people think they built them with logs and pulley's and ropes.....

But pictures are not reality. Basic math would indicate that some of those stones would snap logs right in half.

Also ....there is some other indications that would imply that there wasn't even enough Trees to make into rolling logs for all 3 pyramids.

I don't know about you but this King looks like he has some different DNA than us.


Also....the documentary called The Pyramid Code points out SEVERAL fallacies in how mainstream Egyptology claim the pyramids were built.

Originally posted by Trafalgar1805
I'll tell you why Egyptologists are desperate to make people think these are weight relieving chambers, it is because the thermal isolation solution (which is the correct one) would suggest the Original Egyptians (those who built the Khufu pyramid before the Ancient Egyptians built the others and the Valley of the Kings) had refridgeration technology, and had a purpose to use it in the two King's Chambers. That would go against the official history of Earth written by the parasites who currently control Earth and want to keep its history a secret, and the Ascension process in limbo.

Right.

Refrigeration technology that evaporated into thin air over the last 4500 years.

An idea is only an idea. You need at least some type of fact if you want to be taken seriously.

Do you know what it takes to refrigerate something?

Harte

How ever it was built is always seeming to be the main stay of the pyramids debate , the notorious tunnels that have been left to stay under the sand might have a better chance of being dug up with the new government . That is if they choose to follow up on this article . Pacing the digs is all well and good , Do the Egyptians really think it is necessary to go all the way ? Would making the whole of the history known bring in more dollars for the region , probably and most certainly Yes for more extensive digs and the tourist dollars as well .

What ever rational they are using to hold back in disclosing ALL of the mysteries , not like they can just move the evidence else where can they ? Since they haven't excavated it secretly ( best left covered up ) , or have they ? The pure scale of the final out come would not take anything away from the area if they found out that it was human power that built them , and any intervention from off world beings would add 100 fold to the area as well .

Tunnels to one pyramid doesn't necessarily mean that they did not do the same with the rest of them . Even connecting them together is really not that far fetched . They would not need slaves to help with the digs if they were certain in deciding to uncover all the mysteries . Where would all that sand be needed to be placed ?

I would go if not for a visit with a friend in Alexandria , would you ?

To bad the region is in such turmoil over oil and possible nukes close by .

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Howdy dplum517

It is easy to draw pictures of how people think they built them with logs and pulley's and ropes.....

But pictures are not reality. Basic math would indicate that some of those stones would snap logs right in half.

Also ....there is some other indications that would imply that there wasn't even enough Trees to make into rolling logs for all 3 pyramids.

The AE left images of their pulling heavy weighs on sleds - were they making stuff up? They didn't use logs obviously they used sleds as have other cultures. On your second comment, no they will not snap the logs or the sleds, wood has a characteristics called 'compressibility' which prevents weight from crushing wood.


Moving rocks, Egyptian style

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by dplum517

 

Howdy dplum517

It is easy to draw pictures of how people think they built them with logs and pulley's and ropes.....

But pictures are not reality. Basic math would indicate that some of those stones would snap logs right in half.

Also ....there is some other indications that would imply that there wasn't even enough Trees to make into rolling logs for all 3 pyramids.

The AE left images of their pulling heavy weighs on sleds - were they making stuff up? They didn't use logs obviously they used sleds as have other cultures. On your second comment, no they will not snap the logs or the sleds, wood has a characteristics called 'compressibility' which prevents weight from crushing wood.


Moving rocks, Egyptian style

Since the Egyptians had boats they got the wood from ? Okay then , they transported the wood back with them . They also had animal fats to lubricate the runners of the sleds .