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Nobody could say that Saddam Hussein wasn't a danger. Not only was he a danger to the free world -- and that's what the world said. The world said it consistently -- he was a danger to his own people, as well. Remember we discovered mass graves with hundreds of thousands of men and women and children clutching their little toys, as a result of this person's brutality.
Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.
In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.'
On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.'
The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports 'to the outer limits' in the case for the threat posed by Iraq.
Originally posted by nyarlathotep
I will agree that this is a pretty damn big lie, and yes, I am a Bu#e. However, and a big however, 5,000 of his own people tortured and murdered is pretty damn atrocious.
I mean, we lost just under 3,000 people from 9/11 and I am pretty pissed off about it. Imgine 5,000 people tortured and then murdered.
I am not saying that number lying of that magnitude is not bad, I am still disgusted that someone would kill that many of their own people.
Originally posted by nyarlathotep
Well, mass graves usually indicate one thing: plotted extermination. Let's say he was fighting insurgents, all of those people, including children, yes children, were killed in such a short period of time, that they needed a mass grave site?
Originally posted by radardog
There are bound to be mass graves some where with hundreds of thousands of corpses; according to Iraq's own records, 5 million people were killed.
Official Iraqi documents recovered after the fall of Saddam’s regime suggest a staggering 5 million executions were made during Ba’ath era alone. Over 10 million were also imprisoned. They were all Shi’ite save a small percentage of Kurds. It is also very interesting to note that after the 1991 Shi’ite uprising over 300,000 were killed or captured never to be seen again, but there were no injured. This is very odd considering the logical fact that wars result in many more injuries than deaths. Under Saddam, however, people were either killed instantly or killed in mass executions soon after. With slogans such as “After today no more Shi’ites” the army had advanced into the city of Karbala. The killed were killed, the captured were killed, and the injured were killed as well. No one was spared.
I suppose how many iraqi's were in mass graves depends on the when your talking about as this systematically occured thruout iraq over a period of years. are we talking about local to one area or nationwide?
My point here is, lets say this was an actual lie, not a confusion of info...
IS THIS N ACTIONABLE LIE? is the question you havwe to ask yourself...
in otherwords....can you actually DO something to get Bush with this lie?
Doubghtful, was he speaking to the press when he said this or under oath?
Do the words "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" ring a bell?
Politicians lie? noooo...you dont say? The pot calling the kettle black?
He was speaking in an interview with David Frost of the BBC. The fact that he was not under oath doesn't make it any less of a lie.
On to debate,
Do you mean found by the coalition or found by anyone? Im still unclear on the time period in question here? Both our links each have cited are about a month apart timewise.
What are you using to determine this statement was a lie as opposed to a misstatment/innaccurate research at that time? Is it possible its a lie, yes...is it possible that this was some type of error from sources to the Prez? yes.....it it can you clarify this?
Lying in general is not illegal,
You are grasping at straws and using a semantic smokescreen to spin Bush's statement as not being a lie.
'While experts may disagree on the exact figures, human rights groups, governments and politicians across the world have no doubt that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and their remains are buried in sites throughout Iraq.'
Indeed it seems that a lot more than 5000 bodies have been found in mass graves in Iraq,
its just splitting hairs to try and pick one instance out of the timeline and say only 5000 bodies were found [BY COALITION FORCES during x timeline]