Defendant Convicted of Minting His Own Currency, page 4


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reply posted on 20-3-2011 @ 08:49 PM by RedPill

Now it is “domestic terrorism”!!





The leader of a group that marketed a fake currency called Liberty Dollars in the Asheville area and elsewhere has been found guilty by a federal jury of conspiracy against the government in a case of “domestic terrorism.”


Source



“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Anne Tompkins said. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”


I am telling you, soon kindergartners will be arrested for terrorism because they spoke the wrong word at the wrong time or said the word "gun".
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reply posted on 20-3-2011 @ 11:10 PM by ..5..
reply to post by PETROLCOIN


Bingo. The Feds were terrified that people would dump their worthless paper for a currency backed up by something of value.

Could yo imagine what would have happened if people only used FRN to pay taxes with and merchants refused to accept FRN but would liberty dollars? The ponzi scheme would collapse and they can't have that now can they?
They are parasites that don't care if they kill the host.


reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 04:29 AM by quackers
Originally posted by PETROLCOIN
You let me down. I expected something from you and you could not provide it. In a court of law - which you are so fond of, as you have made clear - you would be ass out for not providing evidence that you were expected to provide. Shame on you for failing to prove your point and succeeding in proving mine.


There is a difference between supporting a decision and understanding how a conclusion was drawn, but then I would not expect you to understand that. You keep harping on about evidence, as if I have something to prove in this argument. I do not, however the evidence you seek is present in this thread if you could be bothered to actually read.


Obviously I have. Obviously I am the more informed individual out of the two of us on the context of the Constitution since you continue to fail to prove your point. If you put up an effort to make a logical argument I am sure you might start to get close to making sense. But continuing this charade isn't helping you.


Sorry, obviously not or you would not be here crying. Instead you would be pointing out the folly of your own constitution in this matter. Of course in order for that to happen you would have to accept that I am correct and in doing so show your understanding of exactly where this man went wrong and what needs to change in order to prevent the same thing happening to others. Unfortunately your own ignorance prevents you from doing so and as long as that remains the case you will get nowhere. You are a prime example of why nothing changes.


reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 09:08 AM by civilchallenger
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
Originally posted by PETROLCOIN
35 other countries have the word "Dollar" in their currency and use the "$" symbol. What is the problem?


Umm... Because they're not in the U.S.? What this case goes on about isn't a copyright issue but rather one of counterfeit. Since the coins resemble the U.S. coins, they can be mistakenly used as legal tender.


Which coin do you suppose a cashier will mistake the coin for? A US silver dollar? Their face value is $1. The face value of a Liberty Dollar is $20.

I can see how someone would mistakenly believe the Liberty Dollar is a US federal mint coin. But then again I could design a piece of electronics, make it white in color, and therefore people may assume that the product was designed by Apple. And that just isn't enough to say something is an "imitation". If the style is the same but there is no comparable product then you don't have a counterfeit. All you have is a similar style and its not illegal to design a product with a similar style to another. In fact it happens all the time.

Therefore, there is no basis on which to say Liberty Dollar is imitating US federal currency! If the US mint produced a $20 1 oz coin prior to the Liberty Dollar then people just may have a point to make. But in fact there is no US coin that comes close to the design.

And one more important point: if the US federal government comes out with a slogan such as "In God We Trust" its obviously a public owned slogan and therefore I own it as much as you do. So why shouldn't I be able to use that slogan however I wish?


reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 09:25 AM by eonpeon
Originally posted by Wolf321
reply to post by PETROLCOIN


I think the work-around on the issue of minting is how the fed does not 'mint' money. They print notes, essentially IOU's, backed by the government with, now, nothing but faith. The congress created the U.S. Mint, who does mint coins under the authority of the congress.

This is how other people and cities have been able to get away with making printed money for say a town or county. They aren't minting currency, nor or they counterfeiting U.S. currency. Those people are essentially doing what the FED does by printing out promissory notes, which are usually backed by FED notes or gold/silver.

edit: When I say the FED prints, I mean the US Bureau of Printing and Engraving prints the actual paper, but it is valued from the FED. The whole thing is a bunch of hogwash. Its a big con job, but that is how they legally get away with it.


edit on 19-3-2011 by Wolf321 because: clarification


Close, but not quite correct...

The Federal Reserve Bank is allowed to produce money out of thin air, which it then LOANS to the Government - at interest! The Government pays that interest back through taxes collected.

There's no gold or silver to back it whatsoever.


reply posted on 21-3-2011 @ 10:05 AM by civilchallenger
reply to post by RedPill


Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.


President Nixon COMLETELY undermined the US dollar when he closed the silver certificate redemption window in 1971. There is nothing left to be undermined. The Liberty Dollar is simply cleaning up the mess after the Dollar was undermined by the Federal Reserve. The are the American heroes in this story, while the Federal Reserve bureaucrats responsible for its destruction very much belong behind bars for fraud and for as the FBI puts it "undermining the [formerly] legitimate currency of this country".

As always, regardless of the stupidity of the definition the US federal government uses to define terrorism, the US federal government itself fits the definition better than anybody else including (the most fictitious) Al-Qaida. The fact of the matter is that the FBI loves, kisses the ass of, and otherwise worships the people who undermine the US dollar. Sickening! While undermining a currency is not terrorism, certainly destroying someone's life because they compete with your employer is terrorism. In other words, the FBI or the ones telling them what to do are concerned competition with the dollar could reduce their own salaries. Therefore, they destroy Liberty Dollar. Its your classical mafia protection racket.
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