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Allied Forces Begin Military Action Against Libya - Live Updates

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by BRITWARRIOR
 


Have you read the thread? Because many of the questions you are asking have already been addressed in past posts.

I personally feel disinclined to summarize every argument in the thread for someone disinclined to read said thread.

But in short, NO, all the uprisings are not about Libya. Libya in one domino in a chain that was set up, it just didnt fall as easily as it was intended to, because Japan had to go and have a huge Earthquake and that took momentum away from the media manufactured coup that was supposed to happen.

Its just one chess piece in a bigger game over there of consolidating the region for the end game in exploiting the oil and mineral wealth in the region. Its just a chess piece in which things did not go as the NWO intended. Even with their paid "rebels" they could not create enough internal discontent to make the "ousting" of Gaddafi look like a popular movement.



Oh come on for the love of god,

Honestly i have to ask are you a paid Gaddafi supporter?

The rebels are paid by the NWO really?

Trust me if anybody has planned this then they are not human, id be worried more about that


I really do admire your over creative mind its clearly on overdrive right now, honestly i really do, its great the way you conspiracy theorist think up things like this and i agree sometimes its useful and they make great movies, but the majority of the time only makes things worst and confuses the people and then divides them, this is not good for humanity at a time we need to be coming together is it?.

But for all this to happen like you say it has, would be somewhere in the odds of winning the lottery 12 weeks in a row, sorry its to big a stretch for me,


Respectfully




posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by gravitor
I think it has been ever so fortunate that they had joint british and French exercises planned well in advance for right now.
What a fluke????
www.voltairenet.org...


Misinformed!

When David Cameron annouce "weeks ago" we are prepairing for every possible solution aswel as the No fly zone that they had been pushing for a week before that at the UN, french & British war planes started military exercises over the UK, this was on the news so its no secret

Hardly a NWO Oil grab conspiracy its standard procedures



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Originally posted by 0011100

Yeah, several American/English/Arab news outlets showing buildings blown the hell out of with eye-witnesses in besieged Benghazi were staged like the moon landing... As for oil economics Libya only produces 2% of the Worlds oil and the Saudi's already upped their production to make up for it. Studies have already proved the price of gas is based on speculation.


I could set up cameras in parts of Detroit and make an argument that the city had just been bombed. None of the videos I saw showed any credible evidence that attacks were happening at that time.

Oil PRODUCTION isnt the only relevant factor.



I have always thought that about Detroit lol



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
In both of those nations, much like Libya, the conflict was instigated for economic reasons, and then the nations were "rescued" from the conflicts started by those economic interests.


Leftist doctrine has it that every war is waged for economic interests. You see everything through red glasses, but those glasses dont show you reality. Reality is that France have had long-time ties to the Libyan people and are horrified by Gaddafis mass slaughter of those people. You like to blame America and its Corporations for all evils in the world, but America is not at fault here. In fact George Bush warned that Gadaffi is the type of person who would kill his own a decade ago.


I can't decide whether i should cry or laugh...Oh yes, france and the holy Sarkozy were horrified by Gaddafi's slaughter and decided to intervene for humanitarian issues. Are you kidding me or kidding yourself?
Libya is the key oil supplier of all Europe. Dont you know it? Do some research.
But ok, sarkozy and bush are really good persons, no no, they are angel.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Gaddafi just showed Nick Roberts of CNN what 2 cruise missiles can do to one of his compounds. Nick Roberts should ask himself if it's smart to film in an area where it could happen again...



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR

Originally posted by gravitor
I think it has been ever so fortunate that they had joint british and French exercises planned well in advance for right now.
What a fluke????
www.voltairenet.org...


Misinformed!

When David Cameron annouce "weeks ago" we are prepairing for every possible solution aswel as the No fly zone that they had been pushing for a week before that at the UN, french & British war planes started military exercises over the UK, this was on the news so its no secret

Hardly a NWO Oil grab conspiracy its standard procedures





You are misinformed, or trying to conceal the facts???
This was all planned a long long time ago , the theatre of the UN is a farce, they constructed the UN to give a kind of authority to their planned global domination, and it's not about oil.

You sound like a well indoctrinated servant of the crown?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR

Honestly i have to ask are you a paid Gaddafi supporter?


Nope, but if you start going down that road, I will tell you right now, I will alert on you. If I cant accuse people like you of being paid NWO shills you better damn well believe Im not going to tolerate anyone using that argument on me.


Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
The rebels are paid by the NWO really?


You find it hard to believe that corporations would use mercenaries to undermine legitimate governments?

www.towardfreedom.com...


Last month, Judge José A. Cabranes of the Manhattan-based federal Second Circuit Court of Appeals issued a judicial opinion that sent international lawyers, human rights advocates and African environmental activists reeling. Cabranes ruled that transnational corporations who participate in gross human rights abuses cannot be held responsible for torture, genocide, war crimes and the like because, as corporations, their activities fall outside the jurisdiction of international law. The Pan-African Newswire described the court’s opinion as a corporate licence to kill. Judge Pierre Leval, also of the Second Circuit, issued a dissenting opinion describing the Cabranes ruling as an unprecedented ‘blow to the efforts of international law to protect human rights’.


Oh and for all of you inclined to question my "leftist" leanings, I learned about the use of mercenaries to install a puppet government in Nigeria in that bastion of socialist leanings, business school. Educate yourself. This has been going on for a LONG time.



Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
Trust me if anybody has planned this then they are not human, id be worried more about that


Then I suppose you better start getting worried.




Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
I really do admire your over creative mind its clearly on overdrive right now, honestly i really do, its great the way you conspiracy theorist think up things like this


Since you are too lazy to even read this thread, I doubt you actually read any of the leaked documents on Wikileaks. Or many other things. Its much easier to just let the MSM tell you what to believe. But there is all kinds of stuff out there for people who dont mind reading.

You should sometime. You will quickly realize that the truth is stranger and more terrifying than fiction.

I dont like conspiracy theory. I wanted to believe the status quo. But at some point I just couldnt continue to ignore reality.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Itop1
Everyone keeps saying this is about OIL ?

Then i want those people to answer this question...

The US and other countrys have said that there will be no ground troops or occupying force and that they will NOT be going after qaddafi, so how do we plan on taking the oil??
It is purely a no fly zone and nothing more, so i fail to see how this is about oil?

Please explain this


It's simple you publicly say one thing..... Then do another.

And it's most likely more about the business deals of were and how that oil is used, and who controls that country and its resources, and land area that is important, not just about the fact that Libya has lots of oil.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by petdog82
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no need to be nervous, it won't take long. I'm just confused as to why the Americana are holding back.



Yea, won't take long, just like Iraq. This has nothing to do with Qaddafi other than looking for an excuse to gain control of yet another country. It has nothing to do with how long it will take to get rid of Qaddafi. What then? Years and years of trying to put in a "democratic" government, just like Iraq. I didn't see anybody invade the U.S. when the National Guard shot and killed students at Kent State University. I didn't see anybody invade the U.S. when our own government killed 3000 of it's own people on 9/11. I didn't see anybody invade the U.S. after the incident at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

This is just beyond disgusting. Our own government is so corrupt and evil it isn't funny, but we somehow have moral authority? Isn't it funny how quickly the U.N. jumped on board? Isn't it funny how we don't have all of the outrage toward BHO, the impostor in chief for invading yet another country. I know, I know, it's the U.N. that's doing it. Well, guess what; the U.N. approved all of Bush's wars, too.

We have enough problems without going around the world flexing our muscles. Let's use those resources to help Japan rather than invade another country. Disgusting. Just disgusting.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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You are right "America" is not taking the oil. Multinational corporations are using American military resources, and American soldiers to secure resources THEY will control. Not America. Americans are not going to benefit from this at all. We are paying for it. And when they get tight control of the oil and reduce competition and can control price, we will pay that way too.

The people who will be profiting from this are the multinational corporations. Oh and of course any politician who is in the know about whats going to happen who just happens to own stock. The American people are being used and America the nation is being indebted so that multinationals benefit. Same with other countries like France. Its people are going to pay the price for this involvement, but they will not get a cut of the profits.
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander


Oil PRODUCTION isnt the only relevant factor.




Of course it isn't. But it's far easier for the masses to say 'its about oil' and sound informed instead of grasping the layers of geo-politics, control of key regions for military and economic dominance, for future military actions, etc. THAT would require more than a blase, superficial understanding of a very complex issue.

Just like Iraq wasn't 'about the oil'. In fact, the US gets about half of their oil from N. America! The 'oil' is a tiny, tiny piece. These countries proximity to Russia, China, and Iran are FAR FAR more important that a relatively insignificant amount of oil.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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I did some research and I found nothing that stated libya was the key oil producer to Europe. I found some that say they are A key, but that goes along with Russia, Saudi Arabia and multiple other countries. I also found where it says Libya is the fourth largest oil producer in north Africa. Doesn't seem to big to me. If you have sources stating they are THE key producer I would love to see them. They might be there, but I have yet to find them.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by LoverBoy
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I did some research and I found nothing that stated libya was the key oil producer to Europe. I found some that say they are A key, but that goes along with Russia, Saudi Arabia and multiple other countries. I also found where it says Libya is the fourth largest oil producer in north Africa. Doesn't seem to big to me. If you have sources stating they are THE key producer I would love to see them. They might be there, but I have yet to find them.



Libya is the second largest the key oil producer to Europe
www.oilandgaslibya.com...




As Europe’s single largest oil supplier, the second largest oil producer in Africa and the continent’s fourth largest gas supplier, Libya dominates the petroleum sector in the Southern Mediterranean area and has ambitious plans for the future.





I did some research and I found nothing that stated libya was the key oil producer to Europe. I


sadly i dont believe you found nothing



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Its also not about the US. Our military is being used to support the agenda of multinational corporations. Not just "American" corporations. You dont need to trace a line of profit back to the nation, because America is not meant to make a profit from it.

We are just a resource to be plundered too.

Some of our politicians will profit, and other private individuals will profit, and the multinationals themselves will profit. But its not about the US as a nation making a profit. They will pay for as many wars as they can on the national credit card and run us into the ground, they arent loyal to us.

We are just a means to an end.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Yeah yeah, Europe needs Libya's Oil.

Well when the Leader er "Ruler" of Libya goes Cracker Jack you might as well attack so you can get a stable mind in there and start shipping you oil again.

We'd do the same to the President if he showed incompetence.
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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"It isn't just about US..."

OF course it isn't. But, as is the case with most things, Americans like to think everything is about them, and everything is about oil, even though it isn't t all.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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I guess you failed to see where I stated they might be there.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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So... i have a couple of question for the oil grab conspiracy theorists

Oil grab
More like oil control and profit control. So really quaddafi or however you spell his name is just a puppet who got a big head, and he might, or might not need to be replaced, depending on how he plays ball, and the circumstances. It's just a game of the eliets and quaddafi is just a figure head.



1 Are the UN (United Nations) in on this up & coming oil grab? because they voted on it and enforced the NO FLY! with out them this would not have gone ahead at all and don't forget its a vote each, big difference here, Iraq big difference period,


Yes. Both knowingly and unknowingly.



2 Are the people of Egypt in on this Oil grab, wait.... instead i'll just throw the entire middle east in on this question with what has happened in the region of late, was all the uprisings in the middle east all because the west wanted a tiny bit of oil in Libya?


Yes that and control of peoples and nations.



3 Are the Arab League in on the Oil Grab? because they and the People of Libya was so badly crying out for one and was instrumental in getting it with out them this would not have gone ahead again


Yes oil is there number one bargaining chip. If it was not for the west they would of been fighting among themselves for resources and oil and watter and everything else.



4 Are all of these nations supporting the no fly zone in on this oil grab?. ok so lets list the oil grabbing countries bellow... France Great Britain USA Spain Norway Italy Qatar UAE - United Arab Emirates


Yes, but its not oil grab. It seems to be more along the lines of oil profit control, basically who gets to make the contracts.



So my question is ARE ALL THESE NATION PLANING ON TAKING LIBYA'S OIL ASWEL? I MEAN COME ON? REALLY


Yes, they all in one form or another are in on something and definitely it has to do about oil, and other resources and control of the country and peoples living there. But in not direct ways, for that there is quaddafi or whoever will replace him.



put the TV on and look what Gaddafi has & is doing to his people, do you stand by that mad man?

I did and all i saw was some blown up buildings. And guess who blew them up. And no I don't stand by him, but for some reason people in the country stood by him, even knowing he was mostly a puppet to foreign powers. Go figure eh, crazy world we live in.



do you stand by and agree with the killing of innocent protesters?

No, thats why I think whatever problem they had, which is most likely that they got the short end of the stick in there own countries business deals, which most likely have to do with oil. What I think is...That they should of taken care of it them selfs. Bombing places and building does not solve problems, if you have not noticed.



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