This business with Libya really boils my blood.

It exposes alot of the hypocrisy steming from goverments world wide.

America wants to take a back seat so that they wont further tarnish their image to muslim population where all the uprising has been happening.
So they ask a joint UK and French team to lead the way in this... farce, whilst adding Kuwait and Qatar to support the no fly zone. Even recently, the Canadians are supporting this action.

Forcing out maddog and supporting an uprising.

So where is the line going to be drawn in the Sahara???
There are uprisings all across the Middle East, where the ruling goverments are doing their best to suppress any form of protest.

Will there be any action taken in any of the other countrys where the goverment has killed its people because it did not like what it heard?

With Bahrain, we have king Abdulla (s.p?) who has let neighbouring forces do the dirty work too suppress the peoples voices and has been invited to the Royal wedding...

The UK wants to have this no fly zone to stop the expected massacre at Benghazi, when there has been massacres, genocides in plenty of other places outside of Libya.

David Cameron can wave his magicwand and fund a course of military action, which may lead to war, whilst he cuts jobs and benifits.

What a ¢¥n£!!!

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Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
This business with Libya really boils my blood.

It exposes alot of the hypocrisy steming from goverments world wide.

America wants to take a back seat so that they wont further tarnish their image to muslim population where all the uprising has been happening.
So they ask a joint UK and French team to lead the way in this... farce, whilst adding Kuwait and Qatar to support the no fly zone. Even recently, the Canadians are supporting this action.

Forcing out maddog and supporting an uprising.

So where is the line going to be drawn in the Sahara???
There are uprisings all across the Middle East, where the ruling goverments are doing their best to suppress any form of protest.

Will there be any action taken in any of the other countrys where the goverment has killed its people because it did not like what it heard?

With Bahrain, we have king Abdulla (s.p?) who has let neighbouring forces do the dirty work too suppress the peoples voices and has been invited to the Royal wedding...

Whilst I agree that there does appear to some double standards here, you have to look at this with a realists view. We can do something about Libya. We cannot do anything about Bahrain, Saudi Arabia simply won't allow it and they have us by the short and curlies, at least until we get rid of our Oil dependency.

That's the reality of the situation and you have to bear it in mind, not look at it through rose tinted glasses and imagine us able to take on anyone. We cannot. Even the US cannot.

Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
The UK wants to have this no fly zone to stop the expected massacre at Benghazi, when there has been massacres, genocides in plenty of other places outside of Libya.

And France! But see above. It's about what we can deal with and what we cannot. Saudi simply will not allow the ruling family in Bahrain to fall as it would lead to a worse situation for them internally and will not allow anyone to interfere from the outside. The US should have (either in or near to Bahrain) a Marine Expeditionary Force attached to the 5th Fleet, consisting of several thousand US Marines. These could easily sort out Bahrain, but they don't because to do so would piss of the Saudi's.

You also have to bear in mind that the Shia revolts in Arabia are likely instigated by Iran, at least in some fashion, to destabalise Saudi. The two do NOT get on. Backing shia revolts in Bahrain, Yemen and Saudi will only serve to broaden Iran's sphere of influence, which is not conducive to our own interests.

Again, don't look at this through those rose tinted glasses. Politics is at play here and life is not that simple.

Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
David Cameron can wave his magicwand and fund a course of military action, which may lead to war, whilst he cuts jobs and benifits.

For what it is worth, he is right to slash the Civil service as it has, for a long time, been used as a tool by the previous Government to create client voters (people dependant on the state so will vote for it) and to give the impression people are in employment, when really much of them don't do a real days work like people would in the private sector. It doubled in size from 1997 to 2007 with no appreciable difference seen except the wage bill for whitehall! It isn't right or healthy that 50% of the UK's GDP comes from Government spending.

Also benefits (note the spelling) should also be slashed. Again, used as a tool to creat client voters of people dependant on them we now have an underclass of people who have never worked and can barely spell their own names! Or would you rather everyone get paid thousands to sit on their arses and have hard working people like me pay their way?

Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
What a ¢¥n£!!!

Pretty much what I think about benefit scroungers and those lazy arse civil servants.

Ah well, you may as well go and support the mass-murdering sociopaths on their new adventure to distract us from economic calamities and their own financial terrorism. History always repeats itself.

How many people dying in Yemen and Bahrain ?! (caused by UAE and Saudi's). UAE are involved in carrying out the no-fly-zone!! Really messed up!

And the Israeli PM calling for bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities whilst Japan suffers a nuclear catastrophe. Those are friends of the corporate west and our pathetic "leaders" are still cosy there.

And onto Cameron's ridiculous policices: The outsourcing of public sector jobs into the private sector is only making the rich corporations even more weathier with no accountability, and so we will get crapper service still funded by tax-payers!

Salaries in the private sector exceed public sector salaries. People's lives are not "waste".

Meanwhile those bonuses at 83% state-owned RBS are looking great!!!

Mussolini had a name for the merger of state of corporate powers : FASCISM!!!

Corporatism + wars = modern day fascism.

Originally posted by john124
Ah well, you may as well go and support the mass-murdering sociopaths on their new adventure to distract us from economic calamities and their own financial terrorism. History always repeats itself.

Got to love the double speak coming from you here. So if we support action against Gaddaffi (a mass-murdering socipath) we're supporting mass murdering sociopaths... And allowing unrest like this to continue will only add to our finacial worries, just look at the oil price!

Get your story straight..

Originally posted by john124
How many people dying in Yemen and Bahrain ?! (caused by UAE and Saudi's). UAE involved in carrying out the no-fly-zone!! WTF!!!

Politics. See above. We can do squat about Bahrain or Yemen and their trouble is not caused by Saudi and UAE, but rather Iran stiring up the Shia. The UAE and Saudi are the other side of the coin and don't want the shia rising up, giving Iran more influence in their region.

Originally posted by john124
And the Israeli PM calling for bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities whilst Japan suffers a nuclear catastrophe. Those are friends of the corporate west and our pathetic "leaders" are still licking their arses.

Israel can go fudge themselves, as far as I am concerned. They made their bed. Whatever they say is usually violent and distasteful, but they lack the balls to do antyhing themselves, they want the West to do something. With President Wishy-Washy in charge of the US though, that is unlikely to happen.

Originally posted by john124
And onto Cameron's ridiculous policices: The outsourcing of public sector jobs into the private sector is only making the rich corporations even more weathier with no accountability, and so we will get crapper service still funded by tax-payers!

Not sure why you think outsourcing to companies is either a bad thing or that there is no accountability. I work for a FTSE 100 company providing services to HM Government and there miost certainly is accountability. All it takes is a small collection of faults to badly wrong and our profit margin gets wiped out by fines.

Originally posted by john124
Salaries in the private sector exceed public sector salaries. People's lives are not "waste".

In the private sector, you do a bad job, fudge up and you lose your job. In the Public sector, this doesn't happen. They also get better pensions and their productivity is far lower, as there is not enough real work for them to do. Private companies are far more efficient and generally do a better job..

Originally posted by john124
Meanwhile those bonuses at 83% state-owned RBS are looking great!!!

Indeed and that does grind my gears a bit. But, if RBS didn't pay the bonuses then they'd lose alot of talented staff and RBS would not ever return to profit, leaving us out of pocket by tens of billions and unable to sell the damn thing.

Originally posted by john124
Mussolini had a name for the merger of state of corporate powers : FASCISM!!!

Corporatism + wars = modern day fascism

Yeah, typical emotional bollocks designed to inflame, but based on nothing of any merit. You honestly think that we're anything like a fascist state? It would seem that the alternative to allowing companies to do the work is the Government, which is a Socialist planned economy, no? Just following your line of logic, if there is any that is.