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Masonic, mumbo jumbo... a flashy gentlemans club?

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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I recently found out that one of my colleagues is a mason 3 ranks from the top. Having lurked here for some time, it's hard not no fall over all the mason threads and some reads are more astounding than others.

But after having listened to what he was able to say without breaching his oath, I find nothing more exciting about it than it's a gentlemans club with secrets. Not because they are doing dark deeds, but because that's just the way it is. It beefs the whole thing up a bit. Remember back when we were kids...? Who didn't want to be part of some secret club (which at that time probably only consisted of 2-3 guys you knew, in a wooden self-build house with a porn mag under the loose floor board on the right side
).

He did admit that some of the rituals were in a lack of a better word weird, but not alarming, and difinitely not illegal (I think he means to the point where one should be worried
). Also that it was not his impression that the masons were part of any kind of "running the world" scheme, except for maybe the guys at the very top, but who knows what they are doing anyways. From his account, their meetings were even more secret than those he was able to be part of.

Also the fact that you as a "normal" guy can get in strikes me as they have nothing big to hide. It only takes two refferals to get in and then the acceptance of your spouse... and tadaaa you're an initiate.

So while the stories of dark magic, illuminati and what not are exciting to read, I see no reason to go and spend money on some guys book, cd or dvd because he claims to know the truth about them (95% of these guys don't... they are just hacks trying to suck your dollar), much less appraise the people here writing "amazing" stories about world domination.
I know there are probably some chapters doing more twisted deeds than others, but they'll get their's in time

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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Unless your a multi-millionair I doubt you've met anyone any where near the top of the Masons....I would doubt there are many Multi-millionairs here at ATS as they have better things to do then to monitor shills...



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by flice
I recently found out that one of my colleagues is a mason 3 ranks from the top.
"3 ranks from the top" is meaningless. Any chance you can find out a more specific title or organization that he holds this rank in?



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:02 AM
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Star and flag.
That's all we are, just a bunch of guys trying to better mankind and ourselves.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:05 AM
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I take offence to your thread "they are just hacks trying to suck your dollar". The Freemasons do a great deal of charity for communities and help when times are difficult. Humility is the key Freemasonary. They don't gloat about their charity. Have you ever heard of "The Smith Family Chairty Org. in places like Australia, an unknown fact that Freemasons started it. You my friend are quite foolish for posting a thread as such as they may help you one day without your knowing. Your friend is not a true mason if he gloats his position of "3 ranks from the top" it is not about ranks and as all Freemasons are equal they can all have a chance of being "the top rank" if he wills.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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People like to find conspiracies in anything. The whole super secret treehouse club analogy was a good one. These guys probably just find it amusing when the Brad Meltzer's of the world write books and put out TV shows about them, portraying them as Satan worshipping, cattle mutilating, new world order creating, reptilian aliens. I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are wrong, but I don't put much faith in the whole freemason/Illuminati new world order conspiracy.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by flice
I recently found out that one of my colleagues is a mason 3 ranks from the top.
"3 ranks from the top" is meaningless. Any chance you can find out a more specific title or organization that he holds this rank in?


I don't wanna spill his beans, so I'll simply state that he is in a nordic chapter of the masons which unlike the US version only has about 11 ranks or so.


Originally posted by whatifitweretrue
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I take offence to your thread "they are just hacks trying to suck your dollar".


I wasn't referring to the masons... I was referring to the people pretending to know a lot about them, wríting overpriced books

I have no beef with the masons, in fact I find their society intriquing.


Originally posted by whatifitweretrue
reply to post by flice
 

Your friend is not a true mason if he gloats his position of "3 ranks from the top" it is not about ranks and as all Freemasons are equal they can all have a chance of being "the top rank" if he wills.


He wasn't gloating... by no means. I asked him about the rank system and he volunteered the information. Actually in regards to your charity info. He told me the same thing, and I can nothing but respect that.
He told me a story about a guy he knew who had been in the states. He was unsure which way to drive, so he went to the local police station and asked for help. The two guys he talked to noticed his ring, and then he got a nice little escort to the place he needed to go. Now that's service... and who doesn't want that kind of treatment


I'm sorry that we fell under a misunderstanding here. I urge you to read my post again and I hope you'll see what I meant.
Just to bend it in neon, no offense meant... He didn't gloat. We got around to the subject only because he said he was going to a meeting with his "fadder"... roughly translated "father". Dunno what you call it in english. And I was curious as to what he meant with that, because the danish word also means the guy or woman who held you while being baptised as a baby x)
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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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You are right that masonic rituals are weird and silly, but they serve as an excellent tool for indoctrinations and hypnotism of Freemasons. All of the masons up to 33 degree, are just foot soldiers, who are defending the capitalist empires, these capitalists are running the show. They are all brainwashed, by false promises of spiritual enlightenment and that they are doing the lord's work.


Please don't waste valuable time on their silly Masonic signs, numbers and
symbols. It's all designed that way to cloud your investigations. Get focused and
start working towards a public register first. Incidentally, why have they got
charity status when their ninth degree Mason takes his vows to kill for
Freemasonry ? Do not listen to anything from a Mason's head, its brainwashed. Source.



edit on 19/3/11 by vinay86 because: Content.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Sorry i misunderstood your rant , but my comments stands about how it is not about "rank" or position.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:22 AM
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Agreed, Masonic rituals can be odd at times, but it is what you learn.
Kind of like the miagi karate system, sand a floor, paint da fence.
We Masons just learn spiritual karate.
And it works.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by whatifitweretrue
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Sorry i misunderstood your rant , but my comments stands about how it is not about "rank" or position.


Sorry to make it even more troublesome to understand my post... did some extra edits to the post you're replying to... additional clarifying info



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by vinay86
 

Agreed, Masonic rituals can be odd at times, but it is what you learn. Kind of like the miagi karate system, sand a floor, paint da fence. We Masons just learn spiritual karate.


Well, I don't see anything remotely spiritual, in using human skull and bones in masonic rituals and the use of electro-shock in freemasonry to hypnotize its members.

The History of Hypnosis for Programming
A Masonic magazine for higher Masonic rites where sex magic is performed entitled Freemasonry Universal, Vol. 5, 1929, p. 58 states,

"Certain Forces are sent through the candidate’s body during the ceremony, especially at the moment when he is created, received and constituted an Entered Apprentice Freemason. Certain parts of the Lodge have been heavily charged with magnetic force especially in order that the Candidate may absorb as much as possible of this force. The first object of this curious method of preparation is to expose to this influence those various parts of the body which are especially used in the ceremony.

In ancient Egypt, there was another reason for these preparations, for a weak current of physical electricity was sent through the candidate by means of a rod or sword with which he was touched at certain points. It is partly on this account that at this first initiation the candidate is deprived of all metals since they may very easily interfere with the flow of currents."

Long story short, the Masonic lodges have been using hypnotism and electric shock in their initiation rituals for a long time. The combination of fear and hypnotism combine to help seal the lips of an initiate from telling what in some lodges are secrets of criminal activity. Source.



And it works

Of-course a Freemason will feel good about himself and freemasonry. And a Freemason will also forget what crimes, he has committed. Freemasons are used and abused by their capitalist masters.


edit on 19/3/11 by vinay86 because: you can quit freemasonry and save yourself from drifting into darkness.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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Sorry but there is no electric shock therapy used in the degree rituals. And what is so scary about skulls? As I understand it They represent that we are all mortal and to do good works while we are still on the earth . I was a prince hall mason (reason I say was is because I left prince hall freemasonry and going to join a regular lodge, but the 3 degrees in prince hall lodges are exactly the same as regular masonry so I know what I'm talking about) nowhere in the 3 degrees was there any use of electric shock therapy or anything like all this stuff you've been posting in all these threads.

And I'm sure the degree ceremonies do look odd to people, but it seems alot people are so closed minded and think anything that is different from what they are into must be bad. A lot of people are very judgmental and what they arent into or understand they automatically dub evil... odd... or any other number of things. I found the 3 degree rituals to be a beautiful experience

And I have not commited any crimes except for a few stupid things when I was a teenager but I left home at 14 year olds because my parents where base and heroin addicts and incredibly violent and abusive to my sister and I, and I admit I did what I had to do to survive, but I did nothing evil or hurt anybody or anything. I do nothing for these "capitalist masters" you speak of. I am a simple average 26 year old family man with a wife and daughter and they come first before anything. My former lodge was a bunch of guys just like me, just regular working guys with families to feed. No rich businessmen or anything. And of course I'm not saying there arent rich people...etc in freemasonry, there are, but I'm pretty damn sure there is much, much more just regular normal dudes that are members than the rich and powerful. Back in the day there was quite a lot of "influential" and politicians and rich business men...etc in freemasonry, but not so much anymore.

But its cool, you can have your opinions.I don't hate you or anything for not liking freemasons, I love everyone and have not a single hateful bone in my body.

And to the thread starter - What do u mean about the 3 ranks from the top? There are no "ranks". The 3rd degree (master) mason is the highest degree there is in freemasonry. You must be talking about like scottish rite or something, but scottish rite does not control freemasonry or anything. for instance a master mason is equal with a 33rd degree in the scottish rite, there are not "ranks" in freemasonry. I know noone believes this, but its the truth.

Have a nice day/night

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posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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And what is so scary about skulls?

Human remains are used by sorcerers, satanists etc. to hypnotize their disciples and gain their trust or they are used by research scientists. Is freemasonry any of that; and If human remains are a best tool to teach moral virtues, than why not every other philanthropic organization uses that. Why not use human remains to teach moral values to children's.

And also In most countries using human bones in rituals is banned, I wonder how Freemasons get such human remains in those countries. In one Australian lodge Freemasons were caught, with a load of illegal aborigines bones.


When a Freemason is being initiated into the third degree he is very nearly struck on the forehead in the dark, being then pushed back either into a coffin or onto a coffin shape design on the floor. His fellow masons then lift him up and when he opens his eyes he is confronted with a human skull and crossed bones. Under this death threat, and other death threats he swears as initiated into each new degree, how can any freemason of third degree or higher be trusted, particularly in public office?
Source.

Why the death threats ?, All these things are used to create an atmosphere of fear, under which anything can be embedded in a Freemasons mind. Freemasons are so much indoctrinated, that they begin to consider horrific crimes against humanity, as good and righteous. You can take the examples of several corrupt Freemason politicians, lawyers, presidents, monarchs etc.

At 9:22 in the following video the host shows a real human skull and bones used in masonic rituals.

Google Video Link

Their is an increasing demand by non-masons (general public), that politicians, chief justices and other government officials at high ranking administrative posts, who are Freemasons should declare their masonic status in public records. They are not asking, what happens inside the lodge, it is Freemasons private business.

This request is only for Freemasons who are at administrative posts in the govt., not for other Freemasons. And so far, those govt. officials have refused to state their masonic status in public records, Why they are refusing ?. If you want to find out about the members of rotary club or other secret societies, you can do that after a little effort.

But, one cannot know, which politician or govt. official, is a Freemason. The more freemasonry opens, the less secret it would become.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Since your friend isn't a high-ranking Freemason of course he's not gonna know a lot.

It's like in the military and any other hierarchy...The guys at the bottom have no clue about what's going on at the

top. They're just given enough information to do their job.



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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In response to "no such thing as 'three ranks from the top'" that's been posted in this thread:

Regular Freemasonry in the Nordic countries operates under the Swedish Rite, which, like some Scottish Rite bodies in France, works the Craft degrees (which it calls the St. John degrees) as part of the rite. While any regular Mason can visit a lodge at labor in the St. John's work (actually, visitors can be received into higher bodies of the Rite if they've reached an equivalent degree/order in a comparable body), the Swedish Rite only accepts members who can "reach the top", and all are expected to continue progressing.
edit on 19-3-2011 by OnTheLevel213 because: clarity



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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I guess the issue comes to, what determines "rank"? Most Masonic systems don't correlate rank with degrees... so if he's Swedish Rite, but 3 degrees from the top, that's one thing (and we could argue about whether or not that included the honorary top degree). But normally when speaking of ranks in Masonry, we're talking about an officer's position within the lodge or the grand lodge, so third from the top would either be Junior Warden or Grand Junior Warden depending on what scale is being discussed...

Hence my claim that such a descriptor was useless by itself. I've just given 3 different interpretations, any of which could be valid.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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That's a fair question, but I usually find that non-Masons equate "rank" with degree.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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You must also realize that the skull is not used in the 3rd degree everywhere in the world. Particularly in the US, you are most likely not going to see the skull pop up in the 3rd degree. There are slight variances between Lodges that are influenced by the York Rite or the Scottish Rite. There is also no death threat in the 3rd degree ceremony. Anyone who has ACTUALLY gone through the degree knows that.

Also, most do in fact use plastic instead of real ones.

We are not the ones considering horrific crimes against humanity. You and Lucy both have talked about genocide against the Freemasons

There is no increase by the public for such registry as you want. Your own registry petition doesn't even breach 100 people. Nor should private citizens be compelled against their will in any matter that comes as the result of irrational, paranoid fear spread by liars such as yourself.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by vinay86
At 9:22 in the following video the host shows a real human skull and bones used in masonic rituals.

Google Video Link

Not every Lodge does a procession or welcomes the Master in such a manner. I know the Euro Lodges do it slightly different and even have different officers (mostly due to translation from English to whatever language it may be). I've had quite the experience in Italy.

Every candidate is given good reason as to the reasons behind the ceremonies of each degree, in detail.

A forced public registry is an infringement of our civil liberties. That Lodge in Gloucestershire is a rather nice one and Richard Gillett seemed like a reasonably knowledgeable Brother. I'm sure though that you will call him a liar for his words.

Obviously they wouldn't allow them to film the ritual, but at least they were courteous enough to allow them to film a business meeting. The Provincial Grand Master made great points and those points are the standard.

As for Ian Mattison, anyone who is willing to break their word (whether they still hold membership or not) should not be trusted as it seems he is not a man of his word and cannot be trusted. I mean he was expelled for fraud and a convict. Neither does it seem that he took to the lessons that Freemasonry endeavors to impart onto its membership.

There is always an air of nervousness for new members. I remember when I first joined I was very nervous, for someone I did not know at the time leaned in and said "Follow my lead, I will keep you safe". Nervousness left me and all that left was a thirst, a curiosity. A comradely was established and trust grew through experience and action.

Not that I haven't talked about the skull many times before, but I find it distasteful that these men would snoop around while unattended and betray a trust that the Masons were giving these journalists. To extend such kindness and trust just to be betrayed?

I do love the "emotional" turn at 12:00. His heart must have twinged a bit for sticking a knife in the back of those who at one time trusted him. I'm sure his family is very proud of him. He definitely didn't take to the lessons if he ever thought he was better than non-Masons.

Freemasonry doesn't attempt to go against the teachings of Christ or any religion. Neither does it attempt to usurp or become substitute for one's religion.

I mean why stop at just Freemasons? It seems prejudicial and contradictory of any free nation. As a private organization who pulls no money from the taxpayer as an organization, we have the right to privacy as accorded to any citizen. To focus solely on Freemasons is prejudicial and I will never give into a registry. It is slowly but surely shredding my civil liberties and I will not stand for it.

An important note that I almost forgot to mention is that while the video mentioned "increase of public concern" they only interviewed 2 people who are antagonistic to Freemasonry. The reason for registry in England was a result of a committee not public outcry.




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