Helen Thomas tells Playboy: Jews 'control' White House

From WND.com:

Helen Thomas tells Playboy: Jews 'control' White House

Helen Thomas, the former "dean" of the White House Press Corps who lost her position over a string of anti-Semitic comments, is interviewed in the April issue of Playboy, renewing her criticism of Israel and Jews in "control" of America.

"[The Jews are] using their power, and they have power in every direction … power over the White House, power over Congress," Thomas told Playboy Contributing Editor David Hochman. "Everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There's total control.

"It's real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power," Thomas continued, then addressed Hochman: "You don't deny that. You're Jewish, aren't you?"

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um...so wheres the news......??

this is old...course they do...we know...

but i want to say...its not jews that run the whitehouse.....its MONEY that runs the white house....if you allow money to sway decisions...then hello...the jews gots money....so deal with the corruption i say

She continued, "Sure, the Israelis have a right to exist – but where they were born, not to come and take someone else's home. I've had it up to here with the violations against the Palestinians. … [The Palestinians] are incarcerated and living in an open prison. I say to the Israelis, 'Get out of people's homes!' ... I mean, they're living there and these people want to come and take their homes and land and water and kill their children and kill them." Read more: Helen Thomas tells Playboy: Jews 'control' White House www.wnd.com...

It is remarkably ignorant to claim in the same breath that "Israelis" have the right to exist but where they were born, and quite clearly through implication denying the existence of the State of Israel and only recognizing a "Palestinian" state. I place quotation marks around Palestinian because prior to the creation of modern day Israel the movement for a Palestinian state was relegated to an extreme minority, and the majority of Arabs that lived in that area did not seem to have any interest in a sovereign nation known as Palestine at all. There were no suicide bombers blowing up the British when they occupied that area. It was the extreme hatred of the Jews that galvanized the Arabs of that area and compelled them to declare a Palestinian state, and it is not as if the Israelis were against this idea...at least not nearly as stupidly stubborn as the childish "Palestinians" were and have been.

I think there are Zionists organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League that are odious atrocities that should be shown zero tolerance for their defamation's of American citizens, their obvious lobbying efforts for the imprudent expansion of a police state, and their insidious consultations in governmental agencies. However, the ADL is what it is and does not seem to be a fair reflection of the State of Israel. Helen Thomas is a left wing radical who refuses to view any subject matter in an objective manner using critical thought, and instead believes that vociferous propaganda is a better tool to affect change. Damn the consequences! For the left wing radicals the end justifies the means, but the reality is always the same, whatever the end, that end was brought about by the means that led to that end, and in the end, the means always justify the end.

Israel is far from the perfect state, and no government will ever be accused of being perfect anytime soon. Israel has much to account for, but why they exist in the Middle East is a no brainer, and if the so called Palestinians ever hope to find peace in that area, they are going to let go of the idea of eradicating the Jews and forcing them out of the Middle East.

This argument is not being made by a Jew, it is being made by someone who understands the complexity of the situation, and who understands that Jews have the right to exist, and that their "Exodus" to Israel was caused by the caustic attitude of too many people across the globe towards the Jews.

The Hydra has many heads.

But as Bob Dylan said so eloquently and succinctly, "We all gotta serve somebody".

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their "Exodus" to Israel was caused by the caustic attitude of too many people across the globe towards the Jews.

And why was that do you think?
Usually where there's smoke, there's fire..

this has been obvious to me for several years as my grandpa had told me several things before is death and the poor jews owning everything was one of them, all one has to do is see who is in charge, these fuzzy clowns have infietrated every viable stature of society and thus play the poor me card, makes me sick

Hmmmmm, I think the proper response is... pics or it didn't happen!

A full PDF of the issue in question should suffice.

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I have a friend who happens to be Jewish. Years ago he asked me if I thought Tom Cruise was gay. I thought it was a stupid question and didn't want to play, but he kept insisting I give my opinion on the matter. Finally, out of frustration, I said that I didn't care whether Tom Cruise was gay or not, and that I enjoyed going to see Tom Cruise movies and didn't want his sexuality to be an issue while watching those movies.

Upon this, my friend announced that he thought Tom Cruise probably was gay. I said fine, but this was not enough for him, he felt compelled to explain why he thought Cruise was gay. I told him I didn't care, but my friend insisted on giving me his analysis of the "situation", and that analysis was similar to yours. He said that for a number of years people had been insisting that Tom Cruise is gay, and that if enough people say something long enough, there has to be some truth to it.

I was astounded, and my jaw literally dropped. I told him that I couldn't believe that he of all people would say something like that. He asked why, and I explained because he was Jewish, and that for more than a number of years, in fact centuries, people have been insisting some pretty snotty things about the Jews, and based upon his own justifications for deciding that Tom Cruise was gay, then under these conditions he would have to conclude that all Jews were miserly, greedy little parasites that couldn't be trusted. He got so upset with me he actually cried. Of course, I was not making this assertion, nor do I believe it, and certainly he as a Jew was not a miserly greedy little parasite. I was simply pointing out that his own reasoning if valid condemned his own people.

I'll tell you what, for more than a millennium, people insisted that the sun orbited the earth and that the earth was flat. It turned out not to be true, but even after the truth was exposed, many kept insisting it was so. People say the damndest things, and just because they say them, it doesn't necessarily make them so, but you believe what you want to believe, and if you think taking a poll about the existence of Israel is better than critical thought, this is your right to believe this.

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You made the statement I quoted, not me..

I simply asked for clarification..
Totally different scenario to your mate..But nice story...

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You made the statement I quoted, not me.. I simply asked for clarification.. Totally different scenario to your mate..But nice story...

You're back pedaling. You made the statement; "where there is smoke there is fire" after asking me why I thought to many people for too long had taken a caustic attitude towards the Jews. The Holocaust was pretty damn caustic, and that the caustic attitudes culminated in this "final solution" is why it is a no brainer that Israel exists today.

The several Diaspora's the Jews have experienced have turned out to be pretty damn dangerous for the Jews, and these people certainly have a right to form a nation/state and protect themselves from the "where there's smoke there's fire" set. Claim innocence if you want, but you were doing more than just asking for clarification. If you wanted clarification on my remark you would have just asked for it instead of add your brief editorial to the mix. As I have stated, you have right to editorialize, but if you are ashamed of your own editorial to the point that you feel compelled to distance yourself from it, perhaps that is worth looking at.

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Sorry, that's a bit of a rant..

I have not heard the stories or facts relating to why Jews have been considered caustic through history..

Saying "where there's smoke, there's fire" is merely an old time saying which is usually correct..

If you don't wish to answer my initial question which asked you to elaborate on YOUR statement then that's fine..
But don't pretend to know how I think please..

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Of all you said about her perspective, this one is the most telling of yours:

"...the ADL is what it is and does not seem to be a fair reflection of the State of Israel."

What a laugh I had....

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

their "Exodus" to Israel was caused by the caustic attitude of too many people across the globe towards the Jews.

And why was that do you think?
Usually where there's smoke, there's fire..

If you don't wish to answer my initial question which asked you to elaborate on YOUR statement then that's fine..

If you don't wish to answer my initial question which asked you to elaborate on YOUR statement then that's fine..

You are being disingenuous. Why should I elaborate on why too many people took a caustic attitude towards Jews. They did, and this led, in a large part to the Holocaust, which in turn led to the establishment of modern day Israel. What is your point?

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You are being disingenuous. Why should I elaborate on why too many people took a caustic attitude towards Jews. They did, and this led, in a large part to the Holocaust, which in turn led to the establishment of modern day Israel. What is your point?

No, what's disingenuous is your pretending to know what I think..
I said if you don't wish to elaborate then that's fine..
Seems like a pretty important topic though if it indeed led to the holocaust and Israel...

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No, what's disingenuous is your pretending to know what I think.. I said if you don't wish to elaborate then that's fine.. Seems like a pretty important topic though if it indeed led to the holocaust and Israel...

Maybe you should clarify, then, what the hell you mean by "where there is smoke there is fire". Generally such a statement used metaphorically means that there is good reason for what has happened. In this context, it certainly appears that what you mean is that there was a good reason to take a caustic attitude towards the Jews. If this is not what you are saying, clarification would be a good idea.

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Maybe you should clarify, then, what the hell you mean by "where there is smoke there is fire". Generally such a statement used metaphorically means that there is good reason for what has happened. In this context, it certainly appears that what you mean is that there was a good reason to take a caustic attitude towards the Jews. If this is not what you are saying, clarification would be a good idea.

Well done, you understand what I'm saying...
I merely asked you if you knew the "good reasons" for the statement you made...

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I place quotation marks around Palestinian because prior to the creation of modern day Israel the movement for a Palestinian state was relegated to an extreme minority, and the majority of Arabs that lived in that area did not seem to have any interest in a sovereign nation known as Palestine at all.

Read history. The whole reason that there was an impasse was that the Arabs wanted a Palestinian nation made of Arabs and Jews modeled after the British Parliamentary system, while the Jews wanted partition on Ethnic lines.

There were no suicide bombers blowing up the British when they occupied that area.

No, suicide bombings were invented in the 80's by Hezbollah. However there were plenty of regular bombings, murders, even massacres - perpetrated by Jews against Arabs and the British. Look up Irgun and Haganah.

It was the extreme hatred of the Jews that galvanized the Arabs of that area and compelled them to declare a Palestinian state, and it is not as if the Israelis were against this idea...at least not nearly as stupidly stubborn as the childish "Palestinians" were and have been.

A desire for self-determination as had been promised -and later denied - by the British is not "extreme hatred of Jews." it's inconveniant for Zionist plans for an Eretz Yisrael, to be sure, but Zionist does not equal Jew, and never has.

I think there are Zionists organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League that are odious atrocities that should be shown zero tolerance for their defamation's of American citizens, their obvious lobbying efforts for the imprudent expansion of a police state, and their insidious consultations in governmental agencies. However, the ADL is what it is and does not seem to be a fair reflection of the State of Israel.

Nor is AIPAC. Of course, both of these organizations have extensive lobbying power. Even the oil and MIC companies can't seem to keep up with these guys. This is [rpbably just an unfortunate side effect of many Politicians - and most Americans - belonging to the Apocalyptic death-Cult of Christianity, with all its weird baggage about suborning yourself to an obscure desert people out to the east of Bumfuq, Egypt.

Helen Thomas is a left wing radical

I'm not sure you know what the term "radical" means. of course, you appear to be pretty steeped in propaganda from the "other side," and are probably the sort of person who thinks Obama is a card-carrying socialist and that NPR is just a front for Radio Moscow.

who refuses to view any subject matter in an objective manner using critical thought, and instead believes that vociferous propaganda is a better tool to affect change. Damn the consequences! For the left wing radicals the end justifies the means, but the reality is always the same, whatever the end, that end was brought about by the means that led to that end, and in the end, the means always justify the end.

Actually her position is far more objective and analytical than yours. Her position is that AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbies exert a LOT of pressure on the US govenrment, that Israel is engaged in a systemic progression of instigations and thefts from Palestinian Arabs, and that hte Palestinians respond.

Your argument is "OMG ISRAEL!!!!@ I F'ING LOOOOOOVE ISRAEL! SHE"S A CRAZY LEFT-WING RADICAL LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!~!!!@!~!~!!~~"

See the difference?

Israel is far from the perfect state, and no government will ever be accused of being perfect anytime soon. Israel has much to account for, but why they exist in the Middle East is a no brainer,

Because they are Europe's last colonial state and receive massive arms and monetary Gifts from their European and American allies in their effort to dispossess a native population. Israel is no different than the Belgian Congo.

and if the so called Palestinians ever hope to find peace in that area, they are going to let go of the idea of eradicating the Jews and forcing them out of the Middle East.

Well, aside from some scattered hotheads and idiots (who tend to become lead receptacles in short order) that's not the plan and it never has been. Even if it were, there's no way such a plan could ever be actually carried out, which makes the whole concept utterly moot.

This is actually Israel's claim of what the Palestinian wants. Why does Israel make such a claim? Because then people like you believe it and elect American politicians who give more money to Israel, because you poor propagandized silly persons honestly think that homemade rockets and back Mickey Mouse knockoffs really do pose an IMMEDIATE AND EXISTENTIAL treat to nit just Israel, but all Jews everywhere.

This argument is not being made by a Jew, it is being made by someone who understands the complexity of the situation, and who understands that Jews have the right to exist, and that their "Exodus" to Israel was caused by the caustic attitude of too many people across the globe towards the Jews.

Obviously you fail to comprehend any aspect of the situation's complexity, since your position is "Jews are always good, Arabs are always bad, the end."

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The good reasons for the statement I made? What is your issue with what I said? Jews were facing for centuries a caustic attitude. Do you find this statement to be untrue? You are operating under the belief that your pithiness has made some sort of statement, but this is not true, and you have barely managed to insinuate. Say what you mean.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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The good reasons for the statement I made? What is your issue with what I said? Jews were facing for centuries a caustic attitude. Do you find this statement to be untrue? You are operating under the belief that your pithiness has made some sort of statement, but this is not true, and you have barely managed to insinuate. Say what you mean.

I said what I mean..
On the other hand you merely made a blanket assumption with no facts..
I asked for the facts...

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Okay, Back in black, I'm gonna back the dude here.

It seems from your "where there's smoke there's fire" post, that you seem to think there was good reason for centuries of persecution against Jews in Europe. I've got no idea if that's what you meant or not, but that's kinda what it looks like.

Was that what you were getting at?