Barack Obama: The Weakest President In History?

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical


It helps that the Fed is pumping money into the equity markets on a pretty continuous basis.

They're now talking about QE3. So don't worry, you'll be making more money soon. That hardly has
anything to do with Obama being in office, however. It has more to do with the fact that the Fed does
what it wants when it wants.

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The subject of this thread is: Barack Obama: The Weakest President in History?

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I'm not going to argue that President Obama is a decent president. I wouldn't say he is the weakest... especially coming right after Bush. That said, we are never given much of a choice with our two-party primary system. Did I think Obama was the best candidate out of all who ran? Nope. Did I vote for him? Yep and I would again if given the same choices. Why? Because Palin and McCain scared the crap out of me. That is not a good reason to vote for somebody but that's how we operate, unfortunately.

And for the record, I don't think Obama isn't doing a terrible job; he's just been largely ineffective. I'm sure there are a lot of excuses supporters could come up with but it doesn't change the facts.

reply to post by centurion1211

Never a more timely topic my friend. S+F

From my viewpoint, Obama, as a commander in chief, has been a huge disappointment. His lackluster approach to leadership, to decisive decision making, has been on par with a tepid bowl of jello.
His backbone is comprised of poll-taking, and he is surrounded with adoring synchophants who won't ever tell the emperor that he has no clothes.

As a leader, he's as authentic as Linsey Lohan in a courtroom or Charlie Sheen in front of an audience. If I were to prescribe anything for him to take, it'd be viagra for his spine. If he had one.

reply to post by centurion1211

Promises Kept is a report put together to tell the story of President Barack Obama’s first two years in office. In two years, President Obama and Organizing for America have moved America forward–through the Recovery Act, health reform, Wall Street reform, and much more.

The challenges that President Obama and this administration inherited were immense. Two wars, an economy in freefall, record deficits, and a health care system in crisis. Although there is still more work to do, we have made an incredible amount of progress over the past two years. Together, we have begun to lay a new foundation for growth, building an economy that works for all Americans.


“We meet at a moment of great uncertainty for America. The economic crisis we face is the worst since the Great Depression. … I know folks are worried. But I also know this—we can steer ourselves out of this crisis.” – Barack Obama October 2008

The report was commissioned by Organizing for America, a project for the Democratic National Committee.

Source


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FUN WITH CHERRY PICKING HEADLINES:

George Bush: Worst. President. Ever?

www.guardian.co.uk...

HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

hnn.us...

Is George W. Bush the Worst President in US History?

original.antiwar.com...

Assuming this is an opinion thread and there are no wrong answers my belief is no. Despite the fact I most likely would not vote for him a second time, I do not feel he is the Barack Obama is the weakest President in history. However, I reserve my right to change my mind given he is only halfway through his term and there are opportunities for redemption.

Perhaps this is the weakest smear tactic in history?

reply to post by centurion1211


The article is correct. "Yes we can" is a joke (ripped off from Bob the Builder). I despise Obama. Not as a man, but as a president. I don't know him as a man.

Regardless, what i find really interesting is that the OP is correct as well: lots of people are saying the same thing, this is just a more eloquent version.

The pattern of this is what is amusing me. We are seeing the complete deconstruction of this president, and it is almost on purpose. All the papers, suddenly, decide to jump on the meme that he is indecisive. And it is being punctuated by the Hillary Clinton announcement of leaving her post next year.

Can't say that i am sad. But most Americans wouldn't think any different were it not for the papers telling them so. It is what got him elected, and what will bring him down.

reply to post by kinda kurious


If it is just a smear tactic with no merit, it isn't partisan.

I would expect that Hillary won't make it to the end of his term. While she is not overt about the announcement being linked to his leadership failure in Libya, the fact remains that the meme is set and she isn't disputing it. I bet we end up with another Clinton presidency in 2012. Who knows, we will see. If she runs as the DNC selection, there really isn't anyone to contest her right now. And after a 4 year Obama presidency, i am pretty fearless about how bad a president can actually be. But that is just my opinion.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
FUN WITH CHERRY PICKING HEADLINES:

George Bush: Worst. President. Ever?

www.guardian.co.uk...

HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

hnn.us...

Is George W. Bush the Worst President in US History?

original.antiwar.com...

Assuming this is an opinion thread and there are no wrong answers my belief is no. Despite the fact I most likely would not vote for him a second time, I do not feel he is the weakest President in history. However, I reserve my right to change my mind given he is only halfway through his term and there are opportunities for redemption.

Perhaps this is the weakest smear tactic in history?

edit on 18-3-2011 by kinda kurious because: (no reason given)

Feel free to start your own "Bush was the worst ..." thread instead of deflecting, or have you already started several of those. Fact is, there were plenty of those.

AND fact is, I even posted in agreement on some of them.

Guess that also makes me "fair and balanced". You?

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
reply to post by centurion1211

 

The challenges that President Obama and this administration inherited were immense. Two wars, an economy in freefall, record deficits, and a health care system in crisis. Although there is still more work to do, we have made an incredible amount of progress over the past two years. Together, we have begun to lay a new foundation for growth, building an economy that works for all Americans.

Two wars because they attacked us, an economy that was created by Barney Frank and co. with the housing bubble, and a healthcare with issues, but no crisis. Th "crisis" was invented by Obama and the press.
A foundation for growth brought about by deficit spending, Cloward-Piven strategies, and a leap in take-overs by the governmentof the private sector. Asfor buildng the economy?????? Unemployment is at levels not seen since the 1930's. More people are on welfare now than any other time in history.

Recovery Act

The Recovery Act represented the largest infrastructure investment since President Eisenhower, the largest education investment since President Johnson, and the largest clean-energy bill ever. It has saved or created as many as 3.7 million jobs across America while creating a foundation for future growth.

Saved or created jobs, that old saw? CBO called it bunk. And I defy you to show me what jobs and where!

Wall Street Reform

Wall Street reform empowered consumers and investors, put a stop to predatory lending practices, brought shadowy Wall Street trades into the light, and ended taxpayer-funded bailouts.

Empowered consumers??? Consumr spending is at an all-time low! Where are you regrgitating this? MSNBC talking-points?

Middle Class Tax Cuts

The Recovery Act reduced taxes for 95 percent of working families, putting more money in the pockets of Americans who need it most. President Obama also worked to prevent a middle-class tax increase, while extending vital unemployment benefits for Americans who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

You're kidding, right? Obama wanted Bush tax cuts ENDED, but he lost his fight on that and claimed the cuts for hisown. Weak. Uber weak!

Credit Card Reform

These reforms put a stop to unfair credit card practices. Reform banned retroactive rate hikes, implemented new protections for students and young people, and required credit card companies to explain their terms in plain language.

Just another excuse for government to get involved with private companies. People are smart, the dumb ones get caught with credit card issues (I'm one of the dumb ones) but We don't need the govrnment to save us.

Building a Clean-Energy Economy

New emissions and fuel efficiency standards for American cars and historic investments in clean-energy technologies are helping pave the way to a more sustainable future, creating new jobs and entire industries here in America.

New costs, higher energy costs, all left on the doorstep of peoplewho can't afford it. Sigh, great planning there!

Rebuilding the American Auto Industry

The Obama administration acted decisively to invest in America’s auto industry, preventing hundreds of thousands of job losses across the country and revitalizing the backbone of America’s manufacturing sector.

No, the government RUINED the auto industry in the first place. Callking an assassin a hero because he gave first aid to someone he shot, is how democrat work, but this is the real world.

Blah
Blah
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Ad nauseum. Really, and at the end, you pull the race card. I'm disappointed.

re the Obama administration accomplishments; the tax cut was forced on the dems as they campaigned on same; the health care reform was rammed through against the public wishes; the wall street stuff was an excuse to impose more fed control over business; the whole green energy thing is a waste of time. most of the other 'accomplishments' were liberal do-good irrelevancies.

the Obama admin had two years with large democrat majorities to pass whatever laws they wanted. that was it?

meanwhile the energy situation is a potential disaster, as this admin refuses to allow more wells/drilling for oil. His reactions to the mideast situations has been nearly catatonic; the delay in Libya may well allow Quadaffi to remain in power.
his best acheivments were staying in Afghanistan and keeping Gitmo open...both continuing Bush admin policies.

Originally posted by centurion1211

INEFFECTUAL, invisible, unable to honour pledges and now blamed for letting Gaddafi off the hook. Why Obama’s gone from ‘Yes we can’ to ‘Er, maybe we shouldn’t’...

Ineffectual:
Which is it? Is he driving the country toward socialism at the speed of light? Or is he getting nothing done? This is an ignorant argument for the right wing folks to make as it it contradicts EVERYTHING they have been saying. Maybe we can just examine HCR for starters and go from there...ineffectual? Laughable by anyones standards left or right.

Invisible:

He has averaged about two press conferences per month. Where does that rank when it comes to "any recent president?"

It's slightly less than former President George W. Bush, who average 2.2 per month over eight years; it's the same as former President Clinton, who also averaged 2.0 per month; and four times as many as former President Reagan, who held just an average of 0.5 per month. In fact, Obama in less than two years, has given just 10 fewer total press conferences than Reagan did in eight years (36 vs. 46).

thepoliticalcarnival.net...

unable to honour pledges:

134 Promises kept thus far...
www.politifact.com...

GOP Promises kept?
2
www.politifact.com...

letting Gaddafi off the hook:

Obama Pushes for Libya Strikes
www.thedailybeast.com...

The facts disagree with the tabloid you cited....that is why they are called tabloids instead of newspapers.

Facts are funny things..they don't have oppinions...they just are.

reply to post by maybereal11


Most people would consider "driving towards socialism at speed of light" as being even more "ineffectual" than doing nothing at all. So, both would be seen as huge negatives.

And as far as Obama pushing for action in Libya, the reports I've heard are saying that it was Hillary that pushed for that while obama was filling out his basketball brackets, and are part of the reason she says she doesn't want to come back after 2012 - assuming obama is coming back ... In hindsight, we all should have realized that Hillary would have made a far better (democrat) president than obama, since she actually has the cojones (as has been rumored for some time) to act instead of obama who seems to be still just "voting present" like he did in the Illinois senate.

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Most people would consider "driving towards socialism at speed of light" as being even more "ineffectual" than doing nothing at all.

Maybe you should look up the definition of that word?

He is either ineffectual or he is not.

If he is ineffectual than all the fear mongering the GOP has done about him dramatically changing this country has been a lie.

Of course the truth is that he has been an extraordinarily effectual President. It is the very things that he has accomplished that the GOP finds offensive to thier idealogy.

Regardless, for the purposes of the claim of your OP that he is "ineffectual".... it fails immediately on logical grounds. That or the GOP should retract the entirity of their rhetoric for the past two years.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Most people would consider "driving towards socialism at speed of light" as being even more "ineffectual" than doing nothing at all.

Maybe you should look up the definition of that word?

He is either ineffectual or he is not.

I'm sure most people understood my response as meaning that people also would consider moving the country in what they feel is the wrong direction "at the speed of light" would constitute ineffectual leadership. So, obviously at least I understood the meaning of the word - and the post.

Originally posted by centurion1211

And as far as Obama pushing for action in Libya, the reports I've heard are saying

Right in keeping with your Tabloid posing as a news source.

To be blunt...I could care less about what you "heard"...back up your claims..otherwise it is simply regurgitated idealogical fiction.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Feel free to start your own "Bush was the worst ..." thread instead of deflecting, or have you already started several of those. Fact is, there were plenty of those

That whooshing sound you missed over your head was simply me illustrating how easy it is to cherry-pick a headline to suit your position. It was not intended to be a Bush bashfest like you have here with Obama. Certainly you don't expect that from me. Honestly, it was merely to illustrate opinion masquerading as fact.

Unless Obama pulls a Palin and shirks his elected responsibility, there are two years remaining in his term. Granted much could happen favorable and unfavorable so how can he be accurately judged until his term is completed?

Whats a META FOR?

Originally posted by beezzer
Two wars because they attacked us,

I missed the part where Iraq attacked us?

Can you fill me in?

At this point every President becomes the new "Weakest President In History". With every passing year lobbyists gain more influence and control in Washington, and the pattern doesn't appear to be changing any time soon as they push further towards globalization, and away from national sovereignty.

Its the people that need to fix what they do. The president can say many things but its the people who need to have the final say. I don't remember the people refusing to go into Iraq or Afghanistan. No sir... You went straight into the #.